Upgrading my TM P226. Advice?

Boo-urns · October 8th, 2006, 23:17

I’ve been thinking about getting some parts for my TM P226, but am a complete newb when it comes to parts/upgrades (this TM is my first gun). It’d be awesome if you guys can help me out.

I’m looking into getting a metal slide/barrel; I’ve decided on the kit from Creation (unless someone can convince me otherwise). Do you guys recommend anything else along with the kit?

I’ve read that I should also get a stronger recoil/hammer spring set along with the metal slide kit. Is this true? What else would I need to get to make sure everything works right?

Anything else I should know? Any help at all would be great, thanks.

Rumpel Felt · October 9th, 2006, 01:54

Why just a slide and barrel? Then you're still stuck with the lame plastic toy frame.

If you're me, cheasy TM plastic doesn't cut it. Nor do you want to be a sucker and pay oodles for a "kit" that-if the world was fair and right- you wouldn't/shouldn't have to buy anyway.

If this is your case, the Guarder slide and frame alont with steel barrel will be balaced between largest boot size ass kicking power and wallet friendliness.

Modification for it is a bitch and a little intense but if you've succesfully wiped your own ass for most of your life you should be able to eventually
figure it out. If not, gun doctors are your friend.

As for springs, the Gaurder recoil spring will work with the new slide bu tthe hammer spring is actually not needed and will cause the gun to fuck up do to being too stiff. High flow valves might fix this.

Good luck.

Fidget11 · October 9th, 2006, 02:12

personally i have the guarder full metal kit on my tm (well its not really tm anymore now is it) p226. i have to say that the quality of the kit and the feel once its on is awsome, i have it with a guarder 150% spring kit but with the stock hammer spring. it shoots like a dream and has a wonderful weight to it.

when i went to install the kit i was in much the same situation as yourself. i was fairly new to airsoft and it was my first GBB. taking the whole thing apart was a daunting task and putting the kit on and all (after practicing taking the gun apart and putting it back together a couple of times) took a grand total of ~ 9 straight hours of work one night. it was a hard process that several times resulted in long strings of words better left unsaid. the guarder kit requires a fair bit of time with a file to make it fit (mainly working on the block to get it to fit into the slide). if you are halfway competant and can use basic hand tools you should be okay doing that and getting it to work.

there is a lack of basic instructions for how to disassemble and reassemble the frame and its basic parts. in some senses trial and error must be used in others you have to look at the diagrams on the site here and try to figure out how it all goes together. im not trying to scare you off of doing the upgrade and full metal is worth it, im just making sure you go in with a realistic understanding of what you are getting into.

for the creation slide, from what i have heard it doesnt need any modding of the block to fit which is nice but that still means you have a crappy plastic frame which to me just sucks. if your gonna spend the money to go metal go all metal and have a gun thats not only functional and solid but can be shown off as well. creation makes some good kit and im sure you will be happy with that route but honestly full metal is a much nicer option to myself and many others.

bundun · October 9th, 2006, 03:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

Modification for it is a bitch and a little intense but if you've succesfully wiped your own ass for most of your life you should be able to eventually figure it out. If not, gun doctors are your friend.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fidget11

if you are halfway competant and can use basic hand tools you should be okay doing that and getting it to work.

Way to make me feel good about myself, after posting two days ago about busting my gun trying to do the mods myself

... but yah i was just in a hurry and wasn't being careful. if you take your time it should be no problem.

Fidget11 · October 9th, 2006, 04:15

yeah dont use a vice... another good idea.

Boo-urns · October 9th, 2006, 16:52

The way it's going to fit is a major concern for me. I'm not very "handy" so I'd hate to spend all this money then totally mess up my gun and/or the slide kit (sorry bundun).

And I really don't mind having a plastic frame, the TM one feels pretty solid. I never planned on getting a metal frame, anyway.

Thanks for the repsonses so far, guys. Anything else I should know? I'd love to hear from someone who has actually installed a Creation slide/barrel on their TM P226.

Fidget11 · October 9th, 2006, 18:51

if you are really worried about the fit and how the gun will perform i am sure you can find a local gun doc in your area who would be willing to fit it for you (yes its gonna have a price). that will assure you the best results possible.

overall im not usually a very handy guy when it comes to using tools and all but the kit was not beyond my mechanical abilities so im sure you can. actually slide disassembly is the easiest part of it all.

Hunter Killer · October 9th, 2006, 23:17

Doesent Southern California have alot of airsoft stores? or was that Northern??????? hhhhhmmmmm

camerons_ · October 22nd, 2006, 16:51

Where can u get this guarder kit in canada?

E-izzle · October 22nd, 2006, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by camerons_

Where can u get this guarder kit in canada?

ASCA...hoping to get mine before christmas

Fidget11 · October 22nd, 2006, 17:26

here is a pic of mine with everything fully installed.

guarder kit is amazing, the thing is heavy now.

Rumpel Felt · October 22nd, 2006, 19:14

Hows the stanless barrel fit in place for you? I have a black full metal, everything, Guarder one but am thinking of converting to all silver and stainless for the bad ass look.

Fidget11 · October 22nd, 2006, 19:57

the stainless barrel actually sits really well, im impressed with how it looks and sounds. it definately gives the sig a nice full metal clink when you are firing it. i didnt want to go full stainless though if i ever did get another sig i would go full stainless on it, one of each then. but for a nice badass look the black frame and slide with he stainless barrel are an amazing combo (thanks to hojo for the suggestion).

E-izzle · October 22nd, 2006, 20:39

damn...that looks nice. hojo also suggested the stainless barrel on black combo to me. now i'm deciding whether i'm gonna go with that or if i'm gonna go for all black.........choices of life...

Fidget11 · October 23rd, 2006, 01:47

honestly izzle its even sexier in person....

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October 8th, 2006, 23:17	#1
Boo-urns Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern California	Upgrading my TM P226. Advice?? I’ve been thinking about getting some parts for my TM P226, but am a complete newb when it comes to parts/upgrades (this TM is my first gun). It’d be awesome if you guys can help me out. I’m looking into getting a metal slide/barrel; I’ve decided on the kit from Creation (unless someone can convince me otherwise). Do you guys recommend anything else along with the kit? I’ve read that I should also get a stronger recoil/hammer spring set along with the metal slide kit. Is this true? What else would I need to get to make sure everything works right? Anything else I should know? Any help at all would be great, thanks. Last edited by Boo-urns; October 8th, 2006 at 23:43..

October 9th, 2006, 02:12	#3
Fidget11 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta.	personally i have the guarder full metal kit on my tm (well its not really tm anymore now is it) p226. i have to say that the quality of the kit and the feel once its on is awsome, i have it with a guarder 150% spring kit but with the stock hammer spring. it shoots like a dream and has a wonderful weight to it. when i went to install the kit i was in much the same situation as yourself. i was fairly new to airsoft and it was my first GBB. taking the whole thing apart was a daunting task and putting the kit on and all (after practicing taking the gun apart and putting it back together a couple of times) took a grand total of ~ 9 straight hours of work one night. it was a hard process that several times resulted in long strings of words better left unsaid. the guarder kit requires a fair bit of time with a file to make it fit (mainly working on the block to get it to fit into the slide). if you are halfway competant and can use basic hand tools you should be okay doing that and getting it to work. there is a lack of basic instructions for how to disassemble and reassemble the frame and its basic parts. in some senses trial and error must be used in others you have to look at the diagrams on the site here and try to figure out how it all goes together. im not trying to scare you off of doing the upgrade and full metal is worth it, im just making sure you go in with a realistic understanding of what you are getting into. for the creation slide, from what i have heard it doesnt need any modding of the block to fit which is nice but that still means you have a crappy plastic frame which to me just sucks. if your gonna spend the money to go metal go all metal and have a gun thats not only functional and solid but can be shown off as well. creation makes some good kit and im sure you will be happy with that route but honestly full metal is a much nicer option to myself and many others. __________________ Stop Sulking About It! - Prioritize & Organize! - Canadian Airsoft Is Not A Crime! Primary: G36K Secondary: FMU SIG P226

October 9th, 2006, 04:15	#5
Fidget11 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta.	yeah dont use a vice... another good idea. __________________ Stop Sulking About It! - Prioritize & Organize! - Canadian Airsoft Is Not A Crime! Primary: G36K Secondary: FMU SIG P226

October 9th, 2006, 01:54	#2
Rumpel Felt Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kitchener, Ontario	Why just a slide and barrel? Then you're still stuck with the lame plastic toy frame. If you're me, cheasy TM plastic doesn't cut it. Nor do you want to be a sucker and pay oodles for a "kit" that-if the world was fair and right- you wouldn't/shouldn't have to buy anyway. If this is your case, the Guarder slide and frame alont with steel barrel will be balaced between largest boot size ass kicking power and wallet friendliness. Modification for it is a bitch and a little intense but if you've succesfully wiped your own ass for most of your life you should be able to eventually figure it out. If not, gun doctors are your friend. As for springs, the Gaurder recoil spring will work with the new slide bu tthe hammer spring is actually not needed and will cause the gun to fuck up do to being too stiff. High flow valves might fix this. Good luck.

October 9th, 2006, 16:52	#6
Boo-urns Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern California	The way it's going to fit is a major concern for me. I'm not very "handy" so I'd hate to spend all this money then totally mess up my gun and/or the slide kit (sorry bundun). And I really don't mind having a plastic frame, the TM one feels pretty solid. I never planned on getting a metal frame, anyway. Thanks for the repsonses so far, guys. Anything else I should know? I'd love to hear from someone who has actually installed a Creation slide/barrel on their TM P226.

October 9th, 2006, 18:51	#7
Fidget11 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta.	if you are really worried about the fit and how the gun will perform i am sure you can find a local gun doc in your area who would be willing to fit it for you (yes its gonna have a price). that will assure you the best results possible. overall im not usually a very handy guy when it comes to using tools and all but the kit was not beyond my mechanical abilities so im sure you can. actually slide disassembly is the easiest part of it all. __________________ Stop Sulking About It! - Prioritize & Organize! - Canadian Airsoft Is Not A Crime! Primary: G36K Secondary: FMU SIG P226

October 9th, 2006, 23:17	#8
Hunter Killer Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ottawa,Ont	Doesent Southern California have alot of airsoft stores? or was that Northern??????? hhhhhmmmmm

October 22nd, 2006, 16:51	#9
camerons_ Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ottawa, Ontario	Where can u get this guarder kit in canada?

October 22nd, 2006, 17:26	#11
Fidget11 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta.	here is a pic of mine with everything fully installed. guarder kit is amazing, the thing is heavy now. __________________ Stop Sulking About It! - Prioritize & Organize! - Canadian Airsoft Is Not A Crime! Primary: G36K Secondary: FMU SIG P226

October 22nd, 2006, 19:14	#12
Rumpel Felt Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kitchener, Ontario	Hows the stanless barrel fit in place for you? I have a black full metal, everything, Guarder one but am thinking of converting to all silver and stainless for the bad ass look.

October 22nd, 2006, 19:57	#13
Fidget11 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta.	the stainless barrel actually sits really well, im impressed with how it looks and sounds. it definately gives the sig a nice full metal clink when you are firing it. i didnt want to go full stainless though if i ever did get another sig i would go full stainless on it, one of each then. but for a nice badass look the black frame and slide with he stainless barrel are an amazing combo (thanks to hojo for the suggestion). __________________ Stop Sulking About It! - Prioritize & Organize! - Canadian Airsoft Is Not A Crime! Primary: G36K Secondary: FMU SIG P226

October 22nd, 2006, 20:39	#14
E-izzle Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Richmond Hill	damn...that looks nice. hojo also suggested the stainless barrel on black combo to me. now i'm deciding whether i'm gonna go with that or if i'm gonna go for all black.........choices of life...

October 23rd, 2006, 01:47	#15
Fidget11 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta.	honestly izzle its even sexier in person.... __________________ Stop Sulking About It! - Prioritize & Organize! - Canadian Airsoft Is Not A Crime! Primary: G36K Secondary: FMU SIG P226

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