FPS change between BB weights could make your rifle possibly illegal

[Sniper Steve]

From what I have read the law states that an air rifle must shoot 500fps or less AND/OR shoot 5.7 joules or less. Now many people upgrade their rifles to the 400fps with 0.2g BBs region. This means that the BB has 1.48 joules aprox. of energy. This may not be the 5.7 joules needed however if a 0.12g BB were fired from a rifle shooting at 400fps with 0.2g BBs then the 0.12g BB would shoot at about 516 fps. This would cause the rifle to be illegal would it not or am I just going crazy because I thought I read somewhere that the air rifles only have to be over 500fps or 5.7 joules.

I am just curious as to wether or not I am wrong and if so why. And sorry if this is in the wrong section because I wasn't sure if it should be here or the Upgrades Section.

[Cortexburn]

Your almost correct...it's 500fps+ AND 5.7 joules. Which means you can fire a .2 over 740 fps and still be legal.

[JohnnyDo]

These are air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 meters or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds). The “muzzle velocity” is the speed of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, normally expressed in metres per second or feet per second. The “muzzle energy” is the energy of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, expressed in joules or foot-pounds. Air guns need to meet both standards to be classified as firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act.


http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-r.../airguns_e.asp

[Sniper Steve]

Ok good because I was starting to panic because I thought it requiresd both but I read something the said a big OR but now that things are cleared up then I can go back to doing nothing.

Edit- This is what messed me up

Someone said

FYI, I got this from the Firearms Act:
Following are some weapons and devices that meet the definition of a firearm but that are deemed not to be firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act and related offences in the Criminal Code. Some of these items are exempted from the definition only if they were designed exclusively for a specific purpose and are intended to be used exclusively for that purpose by the person who possesses it. However, all of the items listed below are considered to be firearms if used in a criminal or negligent manner. * Antique firearms; * Devices designed exclusively for signalling, for notifying of distress, for firing blank cartridges or for firing stud cartridges, explosive-driven rivets or other industrial projectiles; * Shooting devices designed exclusively forslaughtering domestic animals, tranquilizing animals, or discharging projectiles with lines attached to them; * Air guns and other barreled weapons designed to have: - A muzzle velocity of 152.4 meters (500 feet) per second or less and/or - A muzzle energy of 5.7 joules (4.2 foot pounds) or less.

[Kedirkin]

Originally Posted by Sniper Steve

Ok good because I was starting to panic because I thought it requiresd both but I read something the said a big OR but now that things are cleared up then I can go back to doing nothing.

Well, that's why we have problems here when people go around speaking out on things they don't quite understand. The lack of comprehension around government guidelines, laws, regulation and policy here makes my head hurt sometime, especially when people start casting stones at one-another in off-topic.

KD

[SKULLBOY]

Originally Posted by Kedirkin

Well, that's why we have problems here when people go around speaking out on things they don't quite understand. The lack of comprehension around government guidelines, laws, regulation and policy here makes my head hurt sometime, especially when people start casting stones at one-another in off-topic.

KD

I posted that info from the firearms act and I do comphrehend quite a few things in there.

I simply posted the info right from the Firearms act so people could read for themselves what is in the act concerning "airguns".

The act says 500 fps or less and/or the 5.7 joules.This can be interpreted a few different ways(meaning one, the other, or both) and it wouldn't be good for someone to get into trouble over this.

Members can read the info for themselves and then decide what to do, instead of doing it blindly.

SKBY.

[SKULLBOY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyDo

These are air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 meters or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds). The “muzzle velocity” is the speed of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, normally expressed in metres per second or feet per second. The “muzzle energy” is the energy of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, expressed in joules or foot-pounds. Air guns need to meet both standards to be classified as firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act.


http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-r.../airguns_e.asp

Don't take what the CFC says on their site as the the law, or being correct.They have made numerous mistakes in the past with classifacations.

The Firearms Act does not say airguns require both conditions, it says and/or.

If you phone and ask them a question, 10 different people will give you 10 different answers.

You want to consult the Firearms Act, or the Criminal Code of Canada to be on the safe side.

SKBY.

[Greylocks]

The difficulty lies with the interpretation of the laws. So a solution was to make maximum limits that could not possibly be seen, by anyone, to be above the true legal limits.

Your gun may be legal at 500fps, but if the law enforcement person has no idea, they can still give you grief. The gun can be seized, sent for testing, etc.

So, 400 to 450fps with .20 is guaranteed to NOT be a problem. A bonus; the guns are safer to play with and require far less cash to upgrade and maintain.

In a nutshell, the community decided (mostly) to be proactive to avoid future issues.

If you want firearm power levels, go buy a real gun. You'll have an easyer time and it will be cheaper.

[ancorp]

Just curious, if all above is true, how come both .177 and .22 caliber airguns are limited to 500fps? Say the .22 at 500fps hits the 5.7J limit, shouldnt the .177 be able to go above 500fps to acheive that? I havent seen any airrifles over 500fps that dont need a PAL, and guns like the Nightstalker, that just came into Canada (.177, 580fps) have to be registered.

Cheers,
Alex

[Rugger_can]

Originally Posted by Kedirkin

Well, that's why we have problems here when people go around speaking out on things they don't quite understand. The lack of comprehension around government guidelines, laws, regulation and policy here makes my head hurt sometime, especially when people start casting stones at one-another in off-topic.

KD

Gotta have my KD

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Your gun may be legal at 500fps, but if the law enforcement person has no idea, they can still give you grief. The gun can be seized, sent for testing, etc.

I've often wondered what they would test airsoft guns with after they got siezed. I mean, would they test it with the ammo in the gun (if any) and if no ammo was with the gun, what wieght would they use, commonly available .12g BBs or whatever they found paying no attention to weight. Also, as far as gas guns go, duster or propane? Chances are they wouldn't have a propane adaptor. Food for thought, eh? I doubt they'd do any testing whatsoever.

Originally Posted by ancorp

Just curious, if all above is true, how come both .177 and .22 caliber airguns are limited to 500fps? Say the .22 at 500fps hits the 5.7J limit, shouldnt the .177 be able to go above 500fps to acheive that? I havent seen any airrifles over 500fps that dont need a PAL, and guns like the Nightstalker, that just came into Canada (.177, 580fps) have to be registered.

Cheers,
Alex

arnt most rated to 495fps or something?
I think they are just under the 500fps mark.

[Rugger_can]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

I've often wondered what they would test airsoft guns with after they got siezed. I mean, would they test it with the ammo in the gun (if any) and if no ammo was with the gun, what wieght would they use, commonly available .12g BBs or whatever they found paying no attention to weight. Also, as far as gas guns go, duster or propane? Chances are they wouldn't have a propane adaptor. Food for thought, eh? I doubt they'd do any testing whatsoever.

If no ammo was supplied for them I would imagine they would be SOL. I don't really see Canada Post having ammo stores or Firing Ranges. The whole "testing" thing is more like.. Umm I wonder if my Kid will like this.*



*If anyone who works for Canada Post (or customs) was offended by that.. well.. Im sorry you feel that way. But its true and you know it.. hell Nepotism is so Rampant in Canada Post (or customs or hell any crown corp./Branch of the Government) you prolly got too "test" some yourself... Yea admit it...

[CDN_Stalker]

Lol!

Droc, you are correct. Slight technicality though. :P

[ancorp]

Originally Posted by Droc

arnt most rated to 495fps or something?
I think they are just under the 500fps mark.

Well either way, anyone have an answer to my quesion?

Thanks!
Cheers,
Alex