A finely tuned AEG...

[WildBill357]

i have a good side arm and now im going to be investing in an AEG that is an AR platform that i will be able to upgrade so that it shoots .3gBBs 200+ ft with popcan accuracy...i guess i want it to have a scope that is useful for its capabilities not just cool looking (the raider i use doesnt really need one since its all stock and the sights work fine w/.25s).
But i also want it to have that 3 burst setting, so mosfet or whatever its called....i dont know much about upgrading but would like to for outdoor play (long range) other than getting a prometheous tightbore 6.01 0r 6.05 for distance i think..? and i know nothing about getting the most out of an AEG...hop ups and such...pls give me any advice or links to educate myself

[Kozzie]

Get a VFC - find a gundoc to do the work.

Read this http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=180827

[BenG]

All of this is easy, dont bother with a barrel unless your getting a prometheus or a PDI (6.05), get an Rhop or a flat hop, both will surpass your goal of 200+ft easily. As for getting 3 round burst, its really not as glorious as people make it out to be, youll find as you become more experienced you just use semi only anyway, regardless the gate merf 3.2 or whatever it is called is probably the cheapest option, although i cant say its a good option. My recommendation would be a witch hunt for a BTC mosfet but not everyone is up for that sort of thing. The gate titan mosfets seem to have alright features and will do the trick. Id also recommend increasing your trigger response, and ill tell you how to do that if you dont understand it from pestos glorious thread tomorrow.

[ThunderCactus]

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=166583
Read this too. No sense building a dmr if you dont understand how it works

[WildBill357]

Thx for all the suggestions, i was hoping to get a vfc or tm to do this on...vfc is probably better tho, since its likely cheaper and i will need the funds for parts...and for this higher fps would be ideal (i want this thing to be a .3g minimum weapon)

Originally Posted by BenG

All of this is easy, dont bother with a barrel unless your getting a prometheus or a PDI (6.05), get an Rhop or a flat hop, both will surpass your goal of 200+ft easily. As for getting 3 round burst, its really not as glorious as people make it out to be, youll find as you become more experienced you just use semi only anyway, regardless the gate merf 3.2 or whatever it is called is probably the cheapest option, although i cant say its a good option. My recommendation would be a witch hunt for a BTC mosfet but not everyone is up for that sort of thing. The gate titan mosfets seem to have alright features and will do the trick. Id also recommend increasing your trigger response, and ill tell you how to do that if you dont understand it from pestos glorious thread tomorrow.

i am not that experienced and niether are the ppl i skirmmish with and i already keep it (G&G cm16 raider) on semi, but im always in 3vs3 and want to get the most out of the stock AEGs i have from G&G...that was why i started thinking i might like the 3burst but i could also see me not using it if i have put alot into the gun for accuracy...cause one BB getting the job done is the whole idea here.
Ok so i will get a 1.) 6.05 barrel from one of those two makers, and do some 2.) research on flat vs Rhop, probably get a spare bucking for when the time comes (idk much but heard that the bucking can wear n tear quick but is a quick fix) and of course i need to find a platform to work off of (i could use the raider but kinda wanna keep that as a loner in its stock form) so i will look into vfc models...im really not concerned ho the AR looks to be honnest....and would like to try to do as much of it as i can but wont hesitate to send it to a pro when i want a difficult mod installed

[BenG]

Originally Posted by WildBill357

Thx for all the suggestions, i was hoping to get a vfc or tm to do this on...vfc is probably better tho, since its likely cheaper and i will need the funds for parts...and for this higher fps would be ideal (i want this thing to be a .3g minimum weapon)



i am not that experienced and niether are the ppl i skirmmish with and i already keep it (G&G cm16 raider) on semi, but im always in 3vs3 and want to get the most out of the stock AEGs i have from G&G...that was why i started thinking i might like the 3burst but i could also see me not using it if i have put alot into the gun for accuracy...cause one BB getting the job done is the whole idea here.
Ok so i will get a 1.) 6.05 barrel from one of those two makers, and do some 2.) research on flat vs Rhop, probably get a spare bucking for when the time comes (idk much but heard that the bucking can wear n tear quick but is a quick fix) and of course i need to find a platform to work off of (i could use the raider but kinda wanna keep that as a loner in its stock form) so i will look into vfc models...im really not concerned ho the AR looks to be honnest....and would like to try to do as much of it as i can but wont hesitate to send it to a pro when i want a difficult mod installed

If you keep it "ar style" it will have a V2 gearbox which are very very easy to work on and put back together, great for learning, PDI makes a 6.01 and a 6.05 you want the 6.05 promtheus makes a 6.03, either the prommy 6.03 or the PDI 6.05 are fine

[ThunderCactus]

flat hop and rhop perform the same, they're basically the exact same system. Flat hop is easier to do. Rhop tends to be more resilient, but is entirely based on personal skill of shaping the patch.
Go with flat hop; firing 300 BBs in a day isn't going to wear it out very fast at all.

Muzzle energy isn't the end all be all. Even using .30s, if you're in the 1.35j to 1.6j range, you'll be shooting 200-260ft.
The muzzle energy isn't quite as critical as people make it out to be. Higher muzzle energy just puts the BB on target faster, it doesn't drastically affect range.
Between 1j and 1.6j, both on a .30 and ideal setups, you're looking at maybe 30-40ft short of 260ft. Now that sounds like a lot, but that's because it's going from 300 to 420fps on a .20. So as long as you're in the 380-420 range (or 400 depending on your limits), you're not losing much.

The single most important aspect is going to be your hop rubber.
Beyond that; compression, BB weight/quality, and lastly the barrel.

And yes, the barrel is last, because it doesn't actually have a monumental effect on accuracy unless it's bent, dirty, or really poorly made.

[pestobanana]

Flat hop and R hop produce very similar results, but not the same. R hop produces slightly better results as there is less back and forth shift.

[WildBill357]

just to be clear, when someone flat hops/Rhop/Ghop is a modification that cannot be undone, but only alters the bucking? if so i should definately buy 2 hop rubbers in case i fuck it up..
if i plan on getting a barrel down the road shouldnt i do the flat hop at the same time that i install the barrel? or will i have to redo the hopup modification when i upgrade to the 6.05?

[WildBill357]

Originally Posted by pestobanana

Flat hop and R hop produce very similar results, but not the same. R hop produces slightly better results as there is less back and forth shift.

from my reading and vid watchin the process is not like flickin a switch on but its somewhat of an art, in that some one could do a half ass job that leaves him wondering why he did it at all...
i have an ok understanding of how hopup works and how the unit operates mechanically to acheive it but i still wouldnt feel comfortable doing much inside the unit past the rubber, i still need to see it done more clearly

[pestobanana]

I don't know why anyone would bother with a G hop. Flat hop is transferable between barrels. R hop is not. Flat hop is easy to do, I would not recommend trying an R hop unless you know what you're doing.

[Mikeylikes]

Thinking of upgrading my inner barrel and do a rhop as well one day. How do I find gun docs if I'm not comfortable doing it on my own?

[Mikeylikes]

Ignore last post lol ... Just realized we them posting on this thread lol

[BenG]

Any of the 3 of us can install either an Rhop or a flat hop with ease, you can probably figure out a flat hop that will give you decent results on your own, if you choose to do it yourself let me know and I can give you a few tips, both Thunder and I are located in Calgary and Pesto is out east. flat hop and r hop both require modifying of the hop up sleeve to make it flat, hence flat hop, this modification cannot be undone, but buckings are like 5$ so who really cares. ghop was the precursor to rhop, I did some futzing with it a while ago and was never able to get super stellar results, besides its much easier just to get an rhop these days which is much better, or a regular flat hop with a G&G green bucking, which is better (than ghop) and requires not nearly as much effort as the ghop. The flat hop with G&G green bucking is basicly the same as an rhop, however if your building a true, genuine DMR, then you will see a benefit from the rhop as pesto said it will be marginally more consistent, but for general use it really doesnt matter, although it isnt that much more costly and time consuming to justify not having the best hop up system for a gun so you might as well rhop it no matter what. As I mentioned earlier youll need a flat hopped bucking either way, and picking the best bucking will differ slightly for the flat hop or rhop. With the flat hop you want a bucking that is grippy and seals well, with rhop your only concern is sealing well, fortunately most buckings that seal well grip well and vice versa, the G&G green is my personal favorite for both purposes, ive heard rave reviews from the prommy purple bucking but it is 4x the cost and is only at best marginally better then the G&G green, if at all.

[Amos]

Heads up, Prometheus now makes buckings designed for flat hop, no modification required! However... I haven't seen them outside of Japan yet!