MP5's

[matt491]

Hello again, everyone.

I've been reading reviews and researching guns for the past week trying to decide what would be a good gun to start with. I want what everyone wants, a solid gun that's accurate, powerful, and wont break down on me. Money is not an issue.

I've been looking for a long time through reviews and still haven't found the answer to this question, or an answer I understand, atleast. What is the difference between an MP5 SD5 and an MP5 SD2? I've been looking at Tokyo Marui Vs. Classic Army. I'm leaning more towards the CA right now. The all metal body is what really sold me. I'm sorry if I've missed this anywhere really obvious and people get ticked for my asking.

If anyone has the time and might like to make a comment on the gun, vouching for or adding any negative comments for it aswell as any comments on any other good starting AEG's are welcome as well.

Thank you guys

[Kedirkin]

If money isn't an issue, then go with a TM and upgrade to the metal body rather than starting with the CA and upgrading the internals. Although I can't speak for the new releases of the MP5 series from CA, I would point out that the older CA series had less-than-reliable internals. Expect that you will need to change out the piston, spring guide, hop up sleeve and tappet plate almost immediately after purchasing it. Also, some of the metal parts, particularly the cocking tube, will rust if you play in the rain.

As for the difference between an SD5 and an SD2, in real life the SD5 refers to a fixed stock with a three round burst trigger group (0-1-3 or 0-1-3-F) while the SD2 refers to a fixed stock with a full-auto trigger group (0-1-F). In airsoft, it doesn't matter since only the older Sig series from TM has an actual burst trigger group.

KD

[Dozer_01]

If you plan on upgrading, buying a TM would be pointless. The CA is a better deal and as both have you have already mentioned, it comes full metal.

[Rico]

If the metal body is the selling point, don't forget ICS.

[matt491]

I suppose I should have mentioned that for now I'm looking at buying the gun and using it as is for as long as I can stand it. I don't want to do any upgrades except MAYBE a scope, flashlight, or laser sight. Simple things like that. I know next to nothing about these AEG's and their internals and I REALLY don't feel comfortable taking them apart and exchanging parts and such yet. That was why I liked the metal body of the CA MP5 SD5, however I don't mind plastic, so if the internals are better on the TM, maybe I should go with that?

Thank you both for your responses. You've been a great help.

[matt491]

I'm not familiar with ICS? I'll check up on them and see what I can find out. Thanks for mentioning it though.

[Rumpel Felt]

A little something is known about the nature of airsofters. And that is, you think you'll be happy with something until you get it and you arn't and you start spending everything to get it the way you like it.

In other words, you will most likely want a metal body in the end because you will probably realise that plastic is quite lame. Though I could be wrong, I know some people are perfectly happy with plastic. But then there are others that I don't quite get.......they buy plastic first, upgrade to metal spending hundreds more and say look how great my gun is when they could have just had it out of the box.

I haven't seen any bad reviews on a CA MP5 in the past year at least. I can think of about 6 of the top of my head that read saying they were the best guns ever owned by the reviewer.

[matt491]

That's exactly what I've read too. The only bad "reviews" I've seen online personally are from forums which I've discovered are not always the most trustworthy of sources. And every one of the "bad reviews" is from older models and they often say something along the lines of, "I'm not sure as to how the newer models are".

So as of right now, I'm really leaning toward the CA MP5 SD5. Although I would still like to know specifically what the difference between the CA MP5 SD5 and the CA MP5 SD2 are. Also, can anyone vouch for the internals of the CA MP5's? I must admit, I am slightly worried now about that as Kedirkin mentioned their, "less than reliable internals". Although the fact that I have yet to find one bad review of the newer models leads me to believe that the internals are a problem only with the older models.

Thanks guys

[nutboi]

i think the difference between the two is just the selector switch. one is military style switch. ???

[Thanatos]

SD2 - S E F trigger group. Safe, Semi, and Full Auto, but the SEF translates from german words which elude me currently. It is the older group markings. Also has a pistol grip on it, and is not ambidextorious

SD5 - Has a picture for the trigger group. Often call the Navy trigger group. One bullet for semi, a white bullet for safe, and 4 bullets for full auto. the TM MP5-J has a 3 bullet icon for burst fire, but it is just cosmetic. No pistol grio on this one, and is ambidextorios.

They are the same gun, just different grips and firing icons.

[|2enegade]

the SD5 is the more "common" a la "counter-strike" version you'll see in movies, games, etc.
Also, my personal experience with CA is next to none, however, there is volumes to be said about the fact they have multiple "model versions", whereas TM puts out one near flawless version that does not require revision...

[Rumpel Felt]

TM is just going to cost you money. That's all I think when I look at a TM gun. I would only buy a TM gun if noone else makes it because chances are, if someone else does make it, it is full metal and possibly has other internal upgrades.

People who say CA stuff is not reliable are most likely those who have gotten their older versions and were pissed that they were breaking all the time. So of course CA doesn't have a high regard in their books.

The thing I still can't get is why people will spend the hundreds of dollars on CA metal body parts and for the surefire foregrip versions, another 150 or so for the flashlight when they could have just got it all out of the box. Hell even if there was an internal problem, I'm leaning towards that costing alot less to fix.

I would say it would be wise to go ahead with the CA as you can't argue with the 100% good reviews on the new versions out there now.

[Thanatos]

What about an ICS MP5? May have to replace the bushings and hop-up, but they do have the most highly regarded mp5's for a reason.

[Kedirkin]

Originally Posted by Thanatos

SD5 - Has a picture for the trigger group. Often call the Navy trigger group.

Wrong. The Navy group fires with 0-1-F capability. It does not have a burst fire mode.

The "Navy group" is not a technical term per se, rather it was attached as a nickname to the trigger group that was attached to the MP5N.

KD

[Deathblow]

Go with TM. I've owned both CA and TM MP5's and by far the better of the two is the TM. If you are not going to do any upgrades, than it's a no-brainer, TM all the way. For what you've described concerning what you want, you don't need the metal body, the plastic body will be more than adequate - not to mention the headaches you will save yourself by not going with the CA crappy internals (I'll admit that I don't have experience with the 2nd generation CA guns, but my experience with the 1st generation ones was AWFUL! and I don't trust CA further than I can spit). The TM guns I own are all still working perfectly just like the day I bought them.

-DB