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August 2nd, 2013, 20:31 | #1 |
Serious about getting into the sport, a few questions
So, I have a few questions, I HAVE read a fair bit but a lot of threads seem to already assume you understand things... and I'd prefer to confirm before spending many hours and hundreds of dollars
1. I only want to buy Tokyo Marui products, since they were nice enough to introduce me to the sport. is this feasible/advisable? I've heard mostly good things about them... is there any retailer in the GTA that carries them? 2. Although some people say it's difficult, I really want to dual wield pistols. Is it better to have two identical pistols, or a stronger one in your main hand and a faster one in the off hand, or something? 3. Would it be weird/cumbersome/illegal to have a P90 as a backup weapon, maybe in a knapsack in case I run out of pistol ammo or need to change up? That's 3 weapons in total, most pictures I see are of people with just one AK47 or something. 4. Do we need to wear the full military fatigues and balclavas, etc? I'm willing to splurge on it if it's the unofficial dress code but would feel silly if I was in the minority. 5. If you get hit during a game, are you like, done for the day? Or do you just wait a certain amount of time and then restart (like lazer tag)? Mostly I'm worried about booking off a day and having elite players kill me in 30 seconds. 6. In general, is the community friendly and welcoming, or are people aggressive and nasty? Competitive spirit is expected but I'd prefer to avoid people who can't leave the aggression on the field. 7. Do I need to be on a "team" or can I just register and show up to a game? I don't know anyone at all involved in the sport. Do people help explain things to newbies? Sorry for the list of questions... if these are wrong or annoying please just lock the thread. I'm just hoping to hear from people who are experienced and have useful thoughts. Thanks! |
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August 2nd, 2013, 20:33 | #2 |
Fainting Goat, Dictator of Quinte West
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a location would be helpfull EDIT i see by your "i can't find a age verifier in Toronto" thread, that you don't like to research things for yourself and that generally doesn't go over well here on ASC.
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August 2nd, 2013, 20:45 | #4 |
Fainting Goat, Dictator of Quinte West
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in my opinion 1 not every company makes every gun so it kinda depends on which gun you want.
2 better to have one pistol and a free hand to change mags 3 weird and cumbersome but in most games not illegal 4 camo in woods , anything not red anywhere else 5 depends on the particular game, most games have a re spawn 6 mostly friendly 7 usually you can register ,show up and play, most teams are invite only |
August 2nd, 2013, 20:53 | #5 | |||||||
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For indoor CQB, whatever floats your boat. For outdoor events, somewhat less practical. You are better off going with a primary and a secondary (ie a P90 and a sidearm). Quote:
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People generally will emulate an approximation of military gear/clothing as their budgets can afford.. Some will go "balls to the wall" better equipped than real military.. others will just show up in civvies. what works in the real world, has it's parallels in airsoft in terms of practical effectiveness. That aside .. you can always stuff a magazine or two of ammo into a pocket, and go with that for the first few games until you are SURE this sport is for you, and worthy of investing in. The more complex/involved the game/milsim, the tighter the clothing/gear requirements, specific to the game, and to the side that you are on. Quote:
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August 2nd, 2013, 21:42 | #6 |
I'm sorry... I HAVE been trying to research things, but again a lot of people use jargon and/or discuss things where they all seem to already know how it is. I'm also trying to get age verified so I can read more posts; some forums are completely blocked. But I'm sorry, I will keep trying to learn as much as I can. Thank you for your help
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August 2nd, 2013, 21:44 | #7 | |
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(I've also read threads about specific airsoft players being rude, behaving badly etc. but I'm assuming they're the exception to the rule hopefully) Thanks for the info! |
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August 2nd, 2013, 22:17 | #8 |
butthurt for not having a user title
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I agree with everything previously posted, but I'd add one important piece of advice: Try before you buy.
I recommend that this is done before any kind of gun purchase or gear purchase wherever possible. If you can borrow or rent, do it before you start buying your kit and caboodle, and do it a lot. You will end up saving a lot of money through knowing exactly what you want to buy and exactly why you want to buy it before you do so, and that will save you from running through the hamster wheel of guns and gear. You're going to be spending a lot of money if you commit to airsoft no matter what you do, so the only real way to save money on airsoft is to make really really smart purchases. All too many times I have seen people purchase guns in particular only to find out that the gun they chose is just wrong for them. Too physically big, too physically small, personally uncomfortable ergonomics, limiting or cumbersome battery compatibility, etc etc. I've been through this myself. For many people, particularly newbies, this is very discouraging due to cost, frustration, and the fact that airsoft guns retain very little resale value in today's market. In my opinion, bad (incorrect) guns, bad gear, and bad purchase planning together are the #1 cause of newbie dropouts. Don't get stuck in the money pit! At the bare minimum you need 1. A good attitude 2. Good ($60+ dual lens recommended) full-sealing goggles 3. Face protection (mesh lower face mask recommended) 4. Decent boots with a high ankle that you've already broken in 5. Gloves (Mechanix gloves can be had for ~$10-$15 at Canadian Tire/ Princess auto/ Whatever) 6. Some kind of BDUs (this helps game organizers divide teams, they're tough, and you won't care about getting them dirty, sweaty, or torn) That's $300-$400 right there and it's all stuff that sits right on your skin which you wouldn't want to share, as well as being essential for you to avoid serious injury. Once you have this stuff you can start showing up to games in your area, either at facilities which will rent you a gun, or games you find posted here. Many games will have a few people who may be willing to loan you a gun for a fee or collateral, which you can find by asking in a game's thread here on the forums or by going to games. Just get yourself out there and don't rush into anything and you'll do fine. |
August 2nd, 2013, 23:16 | #9 |
I've played a few CQB matches at Ultimate Airsoft, and every time the people there have been friendly and helpful. I had a lot of questions for the first time I went to play, the refs and other players were more than patient with me.
Feel free to ask people about their kits, and why the run with what they have. Airsoft players are more than willing to talk about their gear. |
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August 2nd, 2013, 23:53 | #10 |
Get a primary first, then a (good) pistol if you have the money left over. Do not start with two sidearms. Get AV'd and go to your local retailer, then you can try looking down the sights of a pistol and you'll see that aiming two will be a pain in the ass. Oh, and gas mags are pricey too, so dual-wielding would be an expensive route.
For respawns it'll depend on the game/host, but in most cases there just seems to be a respawn that you just walk back to (serves as a 'timer'). If you're in Toronto you'll probably play CQB at Ultimate Airsoft at some point, so don't overlook gloves. Shots to the hand up close hurt like a bitch even with gloves. As for eyepro, do it properly (ESS, Revision, etc). Eyes are worth more than the 40 bucks you might save by getting something cheap. ^This
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August 3rd, 2013, 05:16 | #11 | |||||||
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Another reason that was already stated is that not every company makes every gun. If I could I'd buy every AEG I own as Real Sword brand as they are rock solid and have some of the best stock internals of any gun. That is unfortunately not really possible as they only make AK variants and Type 97's. In many cases if you are looking for a particular gun there are usually two choices: The "Good brand" and The "Shitty Brand." Do a bit of homework and find out if the "Shitty Brand" is what you are looking for or if it would be wise to pay extra for the higher quality gun. While Tokyo Marui's quality is top I've seen a few TM guns that I would define as "fragile." I'm fairly hard on my kit - and by hard I mean smashing it into trees hard - so having something that I know won't survive a good blow is not ideal. Almost every TM Pistol I've seen has been really, really good. Quote:
Since you are an akimbo pistols kind of guy I imagine you got the idea from tacticool shootan vidya. If you want a good example of why dual pistols is a bad idea... On a medium/large sized map in Call of Duty run around with exclusively akimbo pistols. Do not use any primary, or a tactical shield, or anything. Just pistols. Watch what happens to your K/D Ratio. Kinda the same reason why it's a bad idea. GOD MODE CHALLENGE: Play Battlefield 3 exclusively running a pistol in Conquest. No "Close Quarters" Maps. Prepare your anus. Quote:
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Most of the snarky-ness is on ASC and if you ask stupid questions prepare to get destroyed. There have been many legendary tiered threads this week that have generated much funnies for the spectators. Quote:
Mostly you sign up for a game in the games section, and then show up. Do everyone a favour and show up on time. Everyone has a habit of running on Airsoft time and as a host it annoys the hell out of me. It starts eating into the game time and pushes everything back for everyone. |
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August 3rd, 2013, 20:53 | #12 |
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I don't think you realize how heavy stuff is... and how long you have to haul it for. More magazines is far more useful than more guns. Unless you have no idea how to take care of your guns and are in need of backup AEGs cause they keep breaking.
your main AEG rifle is probably closer to 10 pounds, a reasonable loadout of mags is probably half of that... or more if you choose metal mags or guns that have metal mags. A pistol is easily 2 pounds minus gas mag... add more mags that's another 2 pounds. Your vest empty is probably 2 pounds, maybe 3. If you're playing outdoors, 1L of water = 2.2 pounds. not to mention sling, boots, holster for your pistol, whatever you pick to wear... it may not seem like much, 1 or 2 pounds here and there... but try running around in it for 8 hours of the day, see how tired you're going to get. And you want to add a 2nd pistol? a smg? Have you PLAYED any games? by the sounds of it, that question is a bit rhetorical. cause you're asking questions that are making it obvious that you haven't. Go play and rent gear, meet players, get AVed, find out what works before you start commiting lots of money. TM guns are super expensive in canada, mainly because of import regulations... but again, if you had started to read threads around here, you'd start getting an idea of that. Regardless of brand of gun, you're looking at around 500$ for your first rifle, mags and goggles, maybe a pair of boots.
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While using a pistol against AEG's is doable, it takes alot of skill and experience. I would highly recommend against any newcomer to the sport trying this, as they would likely come away with a negative experience. For the newcomer, a pistol is good for emergency backup and the occasional pistols only battle, but little else. Think about it: A pistol usually firing a couple of rounds a second at 320ish fps (less for TM pistols) from a six inch barrel, with a 25 round mag and iron sights. Versus a full auto AEG firing 10 to 30 rounds a second at 350-400 fps from a foot and a half barrel, with an 80 round mag, optics and a shoulder stock. Without a lot of skill on the side of the pistol wielder, who do you think will win the majority of the time? Pistols do indeed rock, and I love my KJW 1911 to pieces. But I wouldn't use it in battle against an AEG unless my M4 was bone dry of ammo. And in that instance, I wouldn't have high hopes of winning. If you want to go light-weight in battle, think about a good subgun like a p90 or mp5k-pdw rather then pistols. Quote:
To clarify that alittle, airsoft magazines can have different capacities of ammo. A mag is considered a 'realcap' if it only holds as many bb's as the realsteel gun's magazine would carry bullets. Above that there are low, mid and high-caps, with low being around 70-90 rounds, mid around 120-160 and highcaps being 300 or more. Highcap mags are looked down upon by many players because they are noisy (since they rattle) and unrealistic. As another FYI, unless it's an extended mag, pistol mags are almost always 25 rounds. Some people choose to realcap their pistol mags by only loading as many bb's as that model of realsteel pistol would hold bullets. Quote:
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Don't sweat the questions. The newbie tank is here for such questions. And asking is better then sitting in ignorance. That said, reading is even better then asking questions. I would advise reading all the sticky'ed threads, especially the ones here in the Newbie Tank, they should explain most things. Reading older posts in the Newbie Tank should help as well. If after that you still have questions then feel free to ask and we'll do the best to answer.
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August 3rd, 2013, 23:32 | #14 | |
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Hands free dual reload works perfect as long as you can actuate the mag release and slide lock with your left hand, your golden! ImageUploadedByTapatalk1375583373.823998.jpg Best picture I have on my phone but I'm pretty sure I have posted it before. |
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