Tanio Koba twist barrel - fps versus energy

[Long_Bong]

Hi,

Knowing that TK Twist barrel work best at 330 fps, I was wandering about the following:

IE TK twist barrel is a function of velocity, not energy?

Let say you have a AEG running 350 fps with 0.2,

So, around 320 fps wit 0.25, would this be the sweet zone as well (the 330 fps)?

I would assume it pure velocity not energy, but I m curious if someone knows...

[ILLusion]

The TK Twist is a function of ENERGY. That is to say, the Tanio Koba Twist barrel is designed to work with 1 Joule OR LESS.

In my threads regarding this barrel, I did mention 330fps, but only because that is the energy equivalent conversion for a 0.20g BB. I did this because it is generally easier to understand by many users, but at the same time, I saw that it caused confusion as well, as users stated "well, then I can just use 0.30g BBs with my 400fps gun to bring it down to 330fps." It does NOT work that way. 1.4J is 1.4J, no matter what BB wait you put in there.

1 JOULE OR LESS!

[CDN_Stalker]

My understanding is airflow, or speed at which the BB is travelling through the barrel, is the critical element for the TK twist barrels. As long as it's a 6mm ball going 330fps or slower going through the barrel, BB weight shouldn't matter at all.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

My understanding is airflow, or speed at which the BB is travelling through the barrel, is the critical element for the TK twist barrels. As long as it's a 6mm ball going 330fps or slower going through the barrel, BB weight shouldn't matter at all.

That understanding is incorrect. A heavier projectile may travel slower out of the muzzle, but the air that cyclones out of the barrel will still be faster than 1 JOULE OR LESS.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

My understanding is airflow, or speed at which the BB is travelling through the barrel, is the critical element for the TK twist barrels. As long as it's a 6mm ball going 330fps or slower going through the barrel, BB weight shouldn't matter at all.

That understanding is incorrect. A heavier projectile may travel slower out of the muzzle, but the air that cyclones out of the barrel will still be stronger than 1 JOULE OR LESS.

The effect of the barrel is dependent on the air flow, so it is the ENERGY is what must be controlled.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

That understanding is incorrect. A heavier projectile may travel slower out of the muzzle, but the air that cyclones out of the barrel will still be stronger than 1 JOULE OR LESS.

The effect of the barrel is dependent on the air flow, so it is the ENERGY is what must be controlled.

Ah, good point, you are correct.

[BloodSport]

I have a twist barrel in both a pistol and my P90. One thing we found is that with an upgraded gearbox shooting around 400fps the barrel had less accruacy and distance then a stnadard tightbore.

Running stock or slightly upgrade 333fps gearbox, I found the grouping to be much tighter and the range equal to if not greater then my standard barrel.

In my pistol shooting approximately 390fps, I found it nearly doubled the effective range of the pistol and tightened the grouping of the shots by to about a 3" spread at 60'


*EDIT*
I should also make note, that for some reason on my P90 several different chrono's cannot read fps from the gun, so it might be a good idea to carry a stock barrel with you to show that your guns gearbox is within field limits if required. I've seen 4 differnt chronos out here now that cant read the fps or it it does it says 50fps with the twist barrel, and 320 with the stock one. Tried white, black even green, and glow in the dark bb's to see if it made a difference to the chrono with no change.

[Long_Bong]

For the sake of my curiosity, I have a AEG with easy spring swap, I ll do a quick test this week, basically running a TK twist:

Spring rated at 400 fps with 0.2 (0.2 and 0.25)
Spring rated at 330 fps with 0.2 (0.2 and 0.25)

I ll share my result

[Twin#1[Op-for]]

I have a question about those twist barrels as well, figured this would be a good place to post it. Would putting a twist barrel into a pistol yield better results than a standard TB?

[Saint_blackhand]

Originally Posted by Twin#1[Op-for]

I have a question about those twist barrels as well, figured this would be a good place to post it. Would putting a twist barrel into a pistol yield better results than a standard TB?

yes it would, because these barrels are rated to about 1.1 J

[Twin#1[Op-for]]

Figured that, thanks Boar.

[Shooting Addict]

Originally Posted by Saint_blackhand

yes it would, because these barrels are rated to about 1.1 J

I have a question about those twist barrels as well, figured this would be a good place to post it. Would putting a twist barrel into a pistol yield better results than a standard TB?

Not true it depends completely on the pistol my WA doesn't shoot close to 330, pistol or AEG your gun should shot 330 with .20 for the twist barrel to be effective.

[Twin#1[Op-for]]

Yes, I know that. My Hicapa will shoot around that I believe, so I think it will be very effective.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by BloodSport

I have a twist barrel in both a pistol and my P90. One thing we found is that with an upgraded gearbox shooting around 400fps the barrel had less accruacy and distance then a stnadard tightbore.

Running stock or slightly upgrade 333fps gearbox, I found the grouping to be much tighter and the range equal to if not greater then my standard barrel.

In my pistol shooting approximately 390fps, I found it nearly doubled the effective range of the pistol and tightened the grouping of the shots by to about a 3" spread at 60'

I run a short TK Twist barrel in my P90 @ 1.7j i do not notice a relevant measurable difference in groupings at 100ft+ over a Prometheus Tight bore of the same length.

At 1j energy the TK barrel is slightly better than the Prometheus tightbore of same length in groupings <100ft.

[BloodSport]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

I run a short TK Twist barrel in my P90 @ 1.7j i do not notice a relevant measurable difference in groupings at 100ft+ over a Prometheus Tight bore of the same length.

At 1j energy the TK barrel is slightly better than the Prometheus tightbore of same length in groupings <100ft.

Sorry I should have mentions the twist barrel in my P90 is m16 length, as well as my standard barrel. I threw out the stock short barrel years ago lol.