Tokyo Marui Losing Popularity

[Ronald Chang]

I have high respect for TM, as they are the first company who brought AEG to this world. Their R&D is very thorough and quality is very good. Just like Tamiya, the model they offer tend to be more "mass", rather than those more unique ones, but they are playable right out of the box without causing much trouble.

Admittedly their old M4 series has big wobbling problem, but the recent ones are much improved.

Their metal AEGs may not have the best metal, but it's already good enough for games and many hours of enjoyment. And as said by many friends here, their stock guns alreay outperform some of the clone and their hop-up design is outstanding.

Their attention to details is reflected by the good fitting of parts, well design packaging, manual. Eventhough I maybe paying more, I believe my dollars are well spent.

[TokyoSeven]

Funny to think how back in mid to late 2007 most of us stood by dont buy crap buy TM or better, and then JG slowly crept in, even though it was already there. They just got a little better, and then they get a little better some more, and then they got a little bit better some more. Then they came out with their 416, and then on a drunken whim I bought one tore it apart and wrote a review about it. Then it just snow balled through out 2008 until we have what we know today.

Good gosh I contributed to bringing popularity to lower quality products. I have to go shower now.

I can see the terrible future now, in 3 years warlmat guns will be considered good quality. CYMA and URAMEX form into one company called CYMURESEX who bought up everything and are now legitimately the largest airsoft cloners on earth. TM while still a strong company goes under ground and keeps their R&D under super tight security. Systema PTWs prices have dropped 200USD, but in an effort to keep people interested they release a gold plated diamond studded edition called the Super UBER MAX ELITE +63 Mark V. Magul finally releases another item for their PTS line, Amos owns a chain of walk in airsoft stores and has grown a full beard. Age verifaction min age has been raised to 21. McDonalds and BurgerKing have merged into a restaurant called Mc Kings that serves a 15000 calorie sandwhich called Tripple Whop Mac. Ronan enters his third marriage. 8mm bearings now exist for mechboxes, new users finally start reading the FAQs on ASC because it has become manditory to read through it and answer a test before they are given posting rights. The new rage is cheese flavoured bubble gum and MC Hammer makes a come back. In a drastic move to combat CYMURESEX, King Arms, G&P and Classic Army merge into a company called Cling Arms & P.

[TCLP]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Funny to think how back in mid to late 2007 most of us stood by dont by crap by TM or better, and then JG slowly crept in, even though it was already there. They just got a little better, and then they get a little better some more, and then they got a little bit better some more. Then they came out with their 416, and then on a drunken whim I bought one tore it apart and wrote a review about it. Then it just snow balled through out 2008 until we have what we know today.

Good gosh I contributed to bringing popularity to lower quality products. I have to go shower now.

I can see the terrible future now, in 3 years warlmat guns will be considered good quality. CYMA and URAMEX form into one company called CYMURESEX who bought up everything and are now legitimately the largest airsoft cloners on earth. TM while still a strong company goes under ground and keeps their R&D under super tight security. Systema PTWs prices have dropped 200USD, but in an effort to keep people interested they release a gold plated diamond studded edition called the Super UBER MAX ELITE +63 Mark V. Magul finally releases another item for their PTS line, Amos owns a chain of walk in airsoft stores and has grown a full beard. Age verifaction min age has been raised to 21. McDonalds and BurgerKing have merged into a restaurant called Mc Kings that serves a 15000 calorie sandwhich called Tripple Whop Mac. Ronan enters his third marriage. 8mm bearings now exist for mechboxes, new users finally start reading the FAQs on ASC because it has become manditory to read through it and answer a test before they are given posting rights. The new rage is cheese flavoured bubble gum and MC Hammer makes a come back. In a drastic move to combat CYMURESEX, King Arms, G&P and Classic Army merge into a company called Cling Arms & P.

LOL!!!!!

But on a more serious note I think the clones were able to invade due to the HK416 by JG. Beacuse the only other versions of it that were avaliable were expensive. Hurricane had the body kit and after you found a donor gun it was close to $1000. And VFC had a full version that was over $1000.

[Donster]

T7 your future for airsoft kinda scares me, but i do like the idea of walk in airsoft shops. still, i agree with your take on clones and such.

[Gato]

For a stock gun, TM or VFC all the way baby.

P.S. I LOVE my TM AK74M!!!

[EternaL ¤Design]

Originally Posted by Styrak

You've never had any real experience with that have you?
A stock TM gun firing 280fps will drop to about 250fps. But yes I agree that's too low for outdoor.

Yeah sorry for that... A gun shooting at 280 fps with .12 will drop to around 200-220 fps, but not if it shoots at 280 with .20's... My mistake really. But yeah you got my point.

Funny to think how back in mid to late 2007 most of us stood by dont buy crap buy TM or better, and then JG slowly crept in, even though it was already there. They just got a little better, and then they get a little better some more, and then they got a little bit better some more. Then they came out with their 416, and then on a drunken whim I bought one tore it apart and wrote a review about it. Then it just snow balled through out 2008 until we have what we know today.

Good gosh I contributed to bringing popularity to lower quality products. I have to go shower now.

Way to go Tokyo! You almost convinced me to buy a JG with that review a few months ago you fiend ! But I was able to resist unlike alot of newcomers who are simply gonna jump on such a positive review of a cheap clone. Well.. not that cheap.

[Crunchmeister]

Chinese clones are making leaps and bounds in terms of QA. While the majority may not quite be up there with TM, many are damn close in terns of reliability, and most either outperform a stock TM out of the box in terms of velocity, and many will do just as well for range and accuracy. Some may need some slight tweaking like a new hopup rubber to get that same range and accuracy.

That being said, compared to TM, the lemon rate is higher with budget Chinese clones. The higher end brands like JG have fewer problems than most. Echo 1 get a good reputation because they're JG with extra QA, and if they break (at least for American customers), they come with a warranty.

So it's not hard to see why people are switching to Chinese clones that cost 1/2 the price. I'm extremely happy with both my JG guns. Even with much higher end guns in my collection, my JGs are still some of my favourites and have performed above and beyond the call time and time again.

Now compared to my first real AEG - a TM M4A1, JG are gold. My TM was a lemon of epic proportions. Within a week, the motor fried. I got a new TM motor, and within another week, the gears snacked on themselves. I got new gears (Modify modular), a slightly stronger spring (Prometheus MS100SP) and about 1000 rounds later, the mechbox shell cracked at the nozzle. So yeah. I could have bought a JG for 1/2 the price and chances are I wouldn't have had anywhere near the problems I had.

I'll pop the cash to get high end metal guns like CA, but I'll never again waste my money on a TM.

[Long_Bong]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

I can see the terrible future now, in 3 years warlmat guns will be considered good quality. CYMA and URAMEX form into one company called CYMURESEX who bought up everything and are now legitimately the largest airsoft cloners on earth. TM while still a strong company goes under ground and keeps their R&D under super tight security. Systema PTWs prices have dropped 200USD, but in an effort to keep people interested they release a gold plated diamond studded edition called the Super UBER MAX ELITE +63 Mark V. Magul finally releases another item for their PTS line, Amos owns a chain of walk in airsoft stores and has grown a full beard. Age verifaction min age has been raised to 21. McDonalds and BurgerKing have merged into a restaurant called Mc Kings that serves a 15000 calorie sandwhich called Tripple Whop Mac. Ronan enters his third marriage. 8mm bearings now exist for mechboxes, new users finally start reading the FAQs on ASC because it has become manditory to read through it and answer a test before they are given posting rights. The new rage is cheese flavoured bubble gum and MC Hammer makes a come back. In a drastic move to combat CYMURESEX, King Arms, G&P and Classic Army merge into a company called Cling Arms & P.

LOL, I wish I could add this one in my signature on ASC!

Now, if like me you have the metal disease, you want metal bodied gun... Here is what happen, you get a TM and you end up having to change the body (which is expensive and legally hard to do). The other way around, you get a chinese metal clone, run it until it died and then, put in some quality internal. It can get expensive and you cannot get a new TM drop-in mechbox... So, one way or another, using TM can be painfull. Metal disease and TM don t go along very well IMO, that why CA, VFC, G&G, G&P and such make great choice to avoid surprise... BUT, now, TM is starting to release metal bodied AEGs, which could be (time will tell) the perfect AEGs out there. Also assuming (dreaming) that TM 280 fps - 1 joule stock config would be increased to 350 fps for export (if legally possible in Japan)...

TM is like the Nissan GT-R in my opinion, the mechanic is insane, but the esthetic of the car (the body) is not there (no metal body). Having a stock TM with metal bodie will be like owning a Lamborghini, you get the performance AND the (metal) look. Now, I know that the GT-R eat pretty much all of the Lambo out there, but if I use the Enzo instead, they would have been no room left for the PTW...

Stupid metal disease... TM is not the right medication

[yuhaoyang]

there are plenty of cars that are much much faster than the enzo, in a strait line or around the track... gumpert apollo (which actually IMO looks kick ass), and the R500 from Caterham for a starter... 60k for a veyron killer.

[Daiviet]

TM's new SOPMOD actually comes with a metal body, plus all the other cool features it has.

[AngelusNex]

Originally Posted by Daiviet

TM's new SOPMOD actually comes with a metal body, plus all the other cool features it has.

Honestly that's the only thing i would buy tm for, the newest innovations in airsoft. If another company builds one too however....

[yuhaoyang]

T7 how can a company be secretive about airsoft developments? Unless TM starts JBwelding all their gearboxes shut =p.

[Donster]

Originally Posted by Sepulcrum

Honestly that's the only thing i would buy tm for, the newest innovations in airsoft. If another company builds one too however....

truth be told, IMHO, if you were to buy TM, one should buy:

M14
P90 (im not a P90 fan, but im told this is a great little gun)
Type 89
M4 SOPMOD

Basically all of their full metal guns. Their non-full metal guns are great, but for some, they like the full metal feel.

[AngelusNex]

Originally Posted by DONSTER 125

truth be told, IMHO, if you were to buy TM, one should buy:

M14
P90 (im not a P90 fan, but im told this is a great little gun)
Type 89
M4 SOPMOD

Basically all of their full metal guns. Their non-full metal guns are great, but for some, they like the full metal feel.

i agree with all but the P90, i want one but if i get one i'll go for an echo1

[Schwag]

I could only see the appeal if you had no ability to fix or tune a gun and only played cqb.

Give me a metal body jg and $100 in upgrades and for less than a tm, I have a metal body 400 fps monster.