ASCA - Sale of final AEG stock

[dead_aim]

Originally Posted by HonestJohn

Yes and yes - we will still be selling everything but guns.

hey hojo still offering GUN DOCTOR SERVICE??

[Cortexburn]

Originally Posted by HonestJohn

Yes and yes - we will still be selling everything but guns.

Also on that note....no guns, but metal recievers/kits/slides are a go still, just no complete guns?

[saintlycricket]

"ASC was not discussed, no names were exchanged, nobody got compromised, and I got a small pile of paperwork to study PLUS the name of a key person to contact.

I will gladly share that information with HoJo by PM, if he's interested."

Good work ! Thats the definite first action required. I'm 100% with the idea to link it to a PAL , I'd actually proposed this among my squad some time ago... and was heavily flamed as I remember *Shrugs*. I think we should almost make a PAL manditory for airsoft period. We brought out some idiot to play one time and he decided to look down the barrel of a locked and cocked Glock with no safety goggles . needless to say he was never allowed back out

[KaOz]

Originally Posted by Manaconda

I could be wrong but... Isn't there a huge process to the PAL system? Like isn't there something in it that involves some one going through some kind of pshyc analisis through the answers to the questions?

My point is Pall ain't gonna make it easier. Anyhow lets wait to see what Hojo has to say. I don't think this was the thread for all of this talk.

The process isn't that bad - it is a mandatory 2-day crash course that you must take (cost is $80-120) depending if you want it for non-restricted or restricted firearms.

After the course, you take a written exam and viola - it then gets sent to the Chief Firearms Office in your province for background checks (yes, criminal record checks) and such. No pysch analysis or anything of that nature.

If you want to transport your firearm say to a range, you will need an ATT - which is just another fee - that is all.

http://www.firearmscanada.com/firear...y_courses.html

Cheers,
KaOz.

[Nervikaire]

Technically, you can just take the test, as long as you pass it. PAL would definately make our lifes easier...

[thorvald]

Originally Posted by KaOz

If you want to transport your firearm say to a range, you will need an ATT - which is just another fee - that is all.

http://www.firearmscanada.com/firear...y_courses.html

Cheers,
KaOz.

Woah careful.... ATT's are only required for restricted weapons, non-restricted you can transport at any time (as long as they are properly transported).

We would like to avoid getting Airsoft classified as restricted, that would mean all kinds of red-tape that I won't go into (if you have your PAL Restricted, you know what I mean).

Otherwise still a great idea, 100% behind it.

[Scarecrow]

From a licensing perspective, a PAL would work to prevent and control who gets an airsoft gun as it does for a real gun. Also, real guns are serialized for registration and linked to the PAL owner's license - airsoft has no such serial #s. So the registration system would have issues with guns with no numbers - so thats a point you'd have to sell as well...

The only problem is that all the course material regarding the PAL is based on real guns and the processes surrounding them. Airsoft guns are different - for instance using ACTS and PROVE with an airsoft gun would be different - a lot different - ie: how do you check an airsoft gun's chamber? How do you check for an unobstructed barrel? How do you make the gun safe? Its a different process. So you'd also be asking the system to change the course material - thats a long stretch as there was a lot of argument within the firearms community over what was in the course and how its taught. Convincing the CFC to add airsoft gun information and handling to it... I still have to wrap my brain around this one.

I've done a fair amount of course work now for various different aspects of firearms ownership (beyond qualifying for a simple PAL) and the other thing I see is a huge attitude difference between those who own real guns and those who just 'play' airsoft. The community and its priorites are different. I am not sure many of my friends who are in airsoft would want to co-exist in that community or be held to its standards... not that you'd have much choice if PALs were used though.

Also a PAL does take at least $140~ plus $40 in licensing. And they won't let you do a PAL "lite" for airsoft because a PAL fundamentally lets you traffic in and possess firearms. I would never recommend to anyone to challenge the exams, only because the courses are very good and no matter what your age or experience, requalifying your safety and knowledge is a good thing. But there is a provision for a person to challenge the exam.

[Blackthorne]

Considering how things are going to go for gun owners if we don't get a majority Conservative government in the next election, you may not want Airsoft related in any way to real firearms.


They take one away they take both.

[Scarecrow]

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[thorvald]

What is currently required for Pellet and normal bb Airguns? (At work, in a rush, no time to research)

I know we've all bemoaned this before but I'll bring it up one for time... Those .177 Pellet pistols that look 100% like a real Beretta are a hell of a lot more "dangerous" and are perfect replicas just as much as the Airsoft pistols.

As I recall, there is nothing required at all besides age?

[as_styles]

Originally Posted by BBS

correct me if i'm wrong but you have to go through stages, tests, courses, long time/wait to obtain a PAL... but of course thats for owning a real firearm.

lets hope theres a "PAL airsoft version" so the process of obtaining it would be different (safety course, tests, etc) than that of a PAL for firearms. i hope we can order airsoft guns from overseas after getting an "airsoft PAL".

To get a PAL, all it takes is money and a weekend....

[KaOz]

Originally Posted by thorvald

What is currently required for Pellet and normal bb Airguns? (At work, in a rush, no time to research)

I know we've all bemoaned this before but I'll bring it up one for time... Those .177 Pellet pistols that look 100% like a real Beretta are a hell of a lot more "dangerous" and are perfect replicas just as much as the Airsoft pistols.

As I recall, there is nothing required at all besides age?

You are correct, I have a .177 that I purchased a few years back a LeBarons... all you need it to show ID and sign a waiver- that's all. They are definately much more dangerous than AirSoft - but again, not the issue at hand.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...d=1#post431431

Thanks,
KaOz.

[Red Tiger]

We all talk about PAL !

But in reality we want to have a permit and aquisition permit for Airsoft !

Do not mix Real gun ownership and airsoft.

As talked with the GRC and sureté du québec here last november : Autority are all open to create a permit for this sport, we just have to present ourself, come forward, do our homework and present what they will gain by opening up this market ; $$. There was also permit talking about creating a kind of permit like fishing permit ( you are aloud to buy and pratice your hobby on autorised field and buying from autorised retail airsoft store. the worst was for the retail owner ( they told me what kind of infrastructure i had to have if i want to sell airsoft ). I have to build a secure safe room to stock inventory between closed hours, 2 security system, 1 linked to the police station, the store have to be in 10 km of a police station, all the wall of the store have to be reinforced, the window have to have security bars, you have to have a security guard, a security cam that broadcast on internet real time on a secure server, if build at a field you have to have a security fence with barbwire, and finally fully insured... Finally i ask some contractor to fill this quote to build this requirment over my field and they came with a nice total of 97 000$ + Fee to be legal supplier of airsoft 2000-3000$ a year.

So at last i step down, but they are way to make it.

If everybody go together and take time to do the project we will prevail..

Just to let you know i'm sure that are many people like me who did that kind of research if all these people come together and create a mutual project we can finally legalise the airsoft.

JF

After checking that list and going true everything they did asked for, i come out for

The process to create the ultimate file is long and hard work. Some people in quebec had already begun that process, but badly the main figure of that movement went in the army, so now it's stopped.

We also need to have input from all Retail store that sold airsoft in the past to create a figure with the number that airsoft canada was at : $$$ and what kind of buisness it can attain by being legal.

[Kurgan]

How can anyone be suprised by what has happened? For the half a year that I've been on this forum, People have always flamed anyone who talked about stepping outside of the shadows and into the public eye. The same thing has happened anytime someone stated that "we need to do something to prevent airsoft from being stopped".

And to every person that flamed someone when they wanted to help and be proactive, I say... It looks good on you.

(sorry bout your store HJ)

[Scarecrow]

There is some truth to what you say Kurgan - this community is sometimes its own worst enemy. On the other hand you also have to make sure that those who choose to speak on your behalf are sending a message you agree with. I don't think that reaching a consensus on that presentation or goal is as easy as logging into a dboard and singing Kuymbaya together.