See through guns and the death of "airsoft"

[deep in the bush]

Originally Posted by m102404

LOL...Deep, if the fact of the thing being clear or not made or broke things, I'd keep a case of black spray paint in my gear bag and hand it out for free at games. Show up early and I'd spray away the clear for you...

But it's not. It's the nut behind the butt. It's how the individual considers what needs to be done, decides how to do it and their mentality of what they're going to do. Everyone will follow direction...usually they'll just bump along with whatever the group is doing, good or bad. Establish the direction...and they'll follow that (which I've seen you do with plenty of guys).

If a new guy starts out and sees that people are organized, taking things in a fun but focused approach, "bonding" (or whatever you hippies are talking about..jk ), calling hits, etc... then they'll do that if it's in them to do that.

If a new guy is an a--hat and shows up to events like the above, they'll very quickly figure out (or be told outright) that this sport isn't for them. They'll either find the off-grid sh*t or they'll pack it in. But if they find mainstream groups/games that tolerate a--hatery, then they'll end up there.

Hahaha...I figure it was the operator not the tool

[Janus]

I look at the issue like this.

Bunch of nubs with crap guns running around the field in a disorganized fashion wearing jeans and t-shirts?

They look like this to me:



Stop being scared of the influx of nubs with crap guns and gear. Keep owning them to hell and back on the field and they'll eventually figure out that you cannot compete with crap equipment.

[5.56]

I agree with you, Brian. Training sessions and indoctrination sounds great for the new players. If these new players would like to take it to the next level, they should only be allowed to play in the field with the Pros if they are willing to conform with the rules and suggestions set by the community.

[Able1]

I disagree Janus got a bud at defcon that showed 4 other players that its not the gun but the player, he was using a crosman AKU and that thing was dropped that night twice yet, he scored some headshots and a bag a kills, New weapon doesn't necessarily noob player.

[safx]

Originally Posted by m102404

#1. Entry price point and whether the see-through-ness/quality of the gun is NOT the issue.

It is the issue if it's part of why
players are segregated already.

Older players don't see their
commitment, which leads to
them not trusting their safe.

[IceTray]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

I think we should raise the bar.

We require as a community 18+ and AV status to buy guns from this community .. We should also require a AS indoctrination before people can participate actively in force on force engagements.

They do this in other places, the Western New york AS comminity is one example.

then at least everyone starts off on the same page and at the same level and no one can claim ignorance for breaches or safety or protocol.

I agree whole heartedly with this. I think its something that should greatly be considered to help better the situation.

[surebet]

Originally Posted by Able1

I disagree Janus got a bud at defcon that showed 4 other players that its not the gun but the player, he was using a crosman AKU and that thing was dropped that night twice yet, he scored some headshots and a bag a kills, New weapon doesn't necessarily noob player.

And that's good... how?

[safx]

Originally Posted by Able1

I disagree Janus got a bud at defcon that showed 4 other players that its not the gun but the player, he was using a crosman AKU and that thing was dropped that night twice yet, he scored some headshots and a bag a kills, New weapon doesn't necessarily noob player.

Congrats on that, exactly why
you don't see me out much.

[Thenooblord]

I know im probably considered one of the "damn kids" but anyways, I've always thought that for AVing, instead of just asking for your ID and off you go, there should be some sort of process, so the people who arent really serious about it get weeded out, and if they do go through with it, the AVer can get to know the character a bit more, and judge whether the person is mature enough to play or not.
Clear guns are not the problem, I started with walmart and krakens and I'm honestly glad I did, because it gave me a cheap entry level gun, AND it gave me a cheap gun I could rip apart and see how everything worked, on the other hand, starting on my own away from ASC gave me many bad habits, mainly finger on the trigger, and a general lack of the safety precautions that many other players take, hell, half the time i dont even remember to put my pistol on safe
there was some other stuff I was going to say in this, but I forgot what it was, I'll say it later if I remember what it was.

[Skruface]

Originally Posted by Able1

I disagree Janus got a bud at defcon that showed 4 other players that its not the gun but the player, he was using a crosman AKU and that thing was dropped that night twice yet, he scored some headshots and a bag a kills, New weapon doesn't necessarily noob player.

This statement is full of fail and aids.

Intentionally shooting at someone's head increases the chance of inflicting injury and therefore is stupid. If either you (or he) thinks this is a badge of honor or qualifies you as a "non-noob", you're both out to lunch. Stay the hell away from me on the field.

[Able1]

Its not a badge, But a lot of times that is the only thing we can hit, headshots happen but what im meant to say is the gun has almost nothing to do with the player. Don't we root out all the unsafe players anyhow, like those who dry fire and bullshit, There cant be that many of em to bum teh pro players out.

[safx]

Originally Posted by Able1

Its not a badge, But a lot of times that is the only thing we can hit, headshots happen but what im meant to say is the gun has almost nothing to do with the player. Don't we root out all the unsafe players anyhow, like those who dry fire and bullshit, There cant be that many of em to bum teh pro players out.

Then don't take the bloody shot, noob.

Trigger control is something people
use very little of. If you don't want
to receive such a shot then don't
inflict it on someone. Airsoft isn't
a video game where you gain rank
from "kills". You'll gain more respect
from players by not injuring them.

[Thenooblord]

I personally dont mind getting hit in the mask, it hurts alot less than getting shot in the balls

[Able1]

Why don't people enforce no headshots at all than, if so many people hate it so much why does'nt that become a rule at games? Im pretty sure the people that took the headshots on me had no idea they were goin for my head perhaps bad hop up or something.When i get shot in the face should i be angry?

[mcguyver]

Brian, can I play the "I told you so" card?

Clearsoft makes babies bunnies cry.