What IS the best AEG?

[mcguyver]

Sure you can. Guys buy Marui's and sink $600-$1000 on upgrades and metal bodies, scopes, RIS, etc. all the time. There is an entire industry dedicated to after-market upgrades. But why bother upgrading a Cavalier when you can get the Mercedes right off the bat.

Occasionally you'll see them come up for sale used for $700-$1000. Now, what guy who plays this sport can not afford that?

This thread didn't say "best AEG under $499". If you want the best, you pay for the best. Nothing worthwhile is ever cheap.

[damage]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Read the first post again; we are discussing normal, out of the box, guns. Period.
If you want to discuss upgrades, there's an entire section for that. Please stay on topic. There's a purpose to this thread.

oops sorry. I am just a little bit tired from work and I just skipped parts of the topic. My bad :smack:

[Sgt_Lynch]

My vote is in on the TMAK47.
-all the pro's / con's have been listed already. My personal gun has 200,000 rounds through it. I've never cracked it open since upgrading it, just regular barrel cleaning.

[Lex]

M4 S-System (Marui)

-The mechbox hasn't given me any problems so far and I have run close to 50,000 bb's through it in the last year. (Which is as long as I have owned it)

-Good performance straight out of the box; decent range (nothing to write home about). The rate of fire is also standard, not as fast the M4 RIS for example.

-Amazing physical build, lots of rigid metal parts. This gun can take a hell of a beating. More likely to break something before something breaks it. Zero barrel wobble!

-Select semi or auto, Aim, fire. You've just learned how to shoot the gun.

-Overall the S-System as a stock gun wouldn't be my first choice for range or rate of fire. What this gun delivers in spades though is a tough, dependable AEG with a decent range and R.o.f.

-Conclusion, if you have a tendency to push you and your gun to the very edge to get up close and personal, this gun will be your best friend.

[Greylocks]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

Sure you can. Guys buy Marui's and sink $600-$1000 on upgrades and metal bodies, scopes, RIS, etc. all the time. There is an entire industry dedicated to after-market upgrades. But why bother upgrading a Cavalier when you can get the Mercedes right off the bat.

Occasionally you'll see them come up for sale used for $700-$1000. Now, what guy who plays this sport can not afford that?

This thread didn't say "best AEG under $499". If you want the best, you pay for the best. Nothing worthwhile is ever cheap.

This thread is about 'stock' form, not upgrades. Upgradeability is a bonus, but not the point for now.
There may be a thread later about the 'easyest to upgrade' gun.

the systema PTW is without question the best, but going new for over $2,000 puts them out of reach, not to mention, hard to find.
problems
takes cutom batteries, custom mags, and custom upgrade parts...all of which are mega expensive.

[BloodSport]

heh heh got mine new for a lot less then $2000..... :P

Batteries are 7.2V in large format (costs me $35 for).
Mags can be ordered in for about $70
And only upgrade parts are the 2 upgraded Cylinder versions that go for about $220 with our strong dollar now (easliy ordered from one of our retailers or direct from the states).

Systema were scary to me before I bought one because of that thought process that they would be hard to find parts for. But since I bought it, a whole new world has opened up.

Considering you can spend $300+ upgrading internals of a stock gun non Systema (if you go gearbox, gears, piston, spring, cylinder, aka full internal upgrade), then if you have no clue what you are doing you then need to pay someone else to put them in for you. The Systema either stock or upgraded can be done by anyone with 2 fingers a blindfold, 1 eye, in about 30 to 50 seconds. The availability to upgrade or downgrad with a cylinder swap out only (as eveything else is already upgraded stock, they do not have a downgraded version).

So yeah I agree with Mac the Systema is by far the best stock gun on the market. Cause at stock were only talking 300fps. And parts/accessories take 5 days from the US to arrive (I know I've order some already).

[mcguyver]

I bought an Intellect 7.2v 3800mah battery for $40 at a hobby shop. The Systema "stock" outclasses any upgraded AEG from anyone else. I can have whatever parts I want in less than a week and what cylinder kit for a 450 FPS gun doesn't cost $200?

My point is the you can't ask "What's the best AEG?" and keep getting "it's t3h tmak47" or a Sig552. I mean c'mon.

Does a Dodge Neon get "best car", or does it go to a BMW, Mercedes or something?

People who've never owned, or even seen a Systema PTW, simply have no clue as to it's construction or potential.

And I paid less for my Systema then I could buy a Marui M-4S for.

the M4 PTW takes those custom systema batteries through the retractable stock, the M16 PTW takes the regular large batteries.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7679/ptw223vs.jpg

Id love one, Id sell all my airsoft stuff for one, but still, at $2000 for a new systema M4 PTW, its still so much money.

its like comparing a top fuel dragster or a F1 race car to regular cars. it is without question the best AEG, but also prolly the most expensive and rare.

if we were to recap the question as a regular gun, avaliable to anyone

[Tarkus]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

And I paid less for my Systema then I could buy a Marui M-4S for.

Care to share your source ?

Beside, it sure seems like a charm to own a Systema AEG. It may even be less of an extravaganza than I initially though (read = God I'd love to get one). Still, the way I understood the original question was for a stock gun within financial reach. I am all ready to agree with you about the fact that Systema's offerings are the best, and on a long term analysis, they are better worth for your buck, as you mention. But the point of comparing some Honda to a Mercedes doesn't hold in this case IMO. Everyone knows Porches rock. Yet who own one ?

Cheers

[Koopa]

TM AK47
Ok, so ive never owned one (only used in a few games) but Ive owned others and none matched the performance, feel, look and reliability of it

[BloodSport]

Well my Systema cost me less then my G&P SPR/a, so I'd think financially they are within reach. Main reason the costs are so high from most retailers is because of the lack of general interest in them (afterall just about everyone has a TM M4). If you only order 1 or 2 guns from a manufactuer out of country your costs are going to be extremely higher then lets say TM who you order 20 guns form. I'm sure if someone was able to generate interest in a group order, and find a retailer willing to facilitate it you'd find them are a lot more reasonable cost (especially with our exchange now to US$$ ).

Someone should talk to HoJo about a group order pricing for say 10+ guns from Systema US (of course you'd need 10 people willing to buy of course) but you'd be surprised at how much the guns $$ drops. Suplly and demand is one thing, but quantity order always speaks volumes.

[MadMax]

Absolute worst AEG I have ever had the misfortune of taking apart (not to mention stock 3 of)...

Lih Yng model of the Taiwanese Armalite marketed by Guarder.

I ordered them because I thought them to be an interesting take on a crapalite. They bear the same trades as the TW service rifle and they come with mostly metal construction.

However, the mechbox internals are terribly inferior. The gears are a moulded plastic which are unable to durably drive the stock 380fps build. Even the piston has failed.

I observed a mechbox failure in about 30rnds with a two new ones developing. The bevel gear was the critical failure, but I note significant wear on the sector gear and a crack has developed in the piston.

Too bad the entire build is based on the proprietary design of the Lih Yng gearbox. TM parts are not cross compatible making these otherwise fine AEGs wall hangars which are happen to be able to shoot only 30 times.

It is truly a shame. The rest of the gun is a very solid build. I find it laughably ridiculous to go through the trouble of a decently cast metal body, attach a well turned single piece steel outer barrel (read zero wobble) stock on a well textured solid stock and crap in some critically bad cheese gears.

I can only hope that guarder gets around to releasing some acceptably made gears for this thing so I can turn them into saleable goods.

Originally Posted by wiseowl

Well my Systema cost me less then my G&P SPR/a, so I'd think financially they are within reach. Main reason the costs are so high from most retailers is because of the lack of general interest in them (afterall just about everyone has a TM M4). If you only order 1 or 2 guns from a manufactuer out of country your costs are going to be extremely higher then lets say TM who you order 20 guns form. I'm sure if someone was able to generate interest in a group order, and find a retailer willing to facilitate it you'd find them are a lot more reasonable cost (especially with our exchange now to US$$ ).

Someone should talk to HoJo about a group order pricing for say 10+ guns from Systema US (of course you'd need 10 people willing to buy of course) but you'd be surprised at how much the guns $$ drops. Suplly and demand is one thing, but quantity order always speaks volumes.

Id be interested in something like that....though Id have to sell off my other guns, Id go for it.

[Tarkus]

Originally Posted by Droc

Id be interested in something like that....though Id have to sell off my other guns, Id go for it.

+1