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November 22nd, 2005, 09:22 | #31 | |
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King Arms OPS Model 3rd MBS Silencer ( 230mm ) http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper..._cat_Silencers |
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November 22nd, 2005, 10:13 | #32 | |
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For a PSG-1 inner barrel (590mm, NOT 650mm!), you will need one of these cylinders: - Systema Type-0 - KM Long All of these are capable of handling up to 590mm inner barrels. The information is all available in the product specs. If ppl are really interested, I can compile data for all brands. If you're looking to do the 650mm inner barrel, you'll need to upgrade to a Systema bore-up Type-0 cylinder kit (which means new piston head, new cylinder, new cylinder head and new air nozzle) and you should be using at LEAST an M120 spring to get it working properly. |
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November 22nd, 2005, 10:51 | #33 |
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Okay, since I need a hardcore break from work, I've compiled the list:
Guarder Cylinder ( GE-03-01 ) G3 / M16A2 / AK Guarder Cylinder ( GE-03-02 ) M4A1 / SR16 Guarder Cylinder ( GE-03-03 ) MP5A Series and SD Series Guarder Cylinder ( GE-03-04 ) MP5K / PDW Systema N-B Cylinder Type-0 ( ZS-04-16 ) M16A1 / VN / A2 / G3 / SG550 / AUG Systema N-B Cylinder Type-1 ( ZS-04-17 ) AK47 / XM177 / SG551 Systema N-B Cylinder Type-2 ( ZS-04-18 ) MP5A4 / A5 / SD5 / SD6 / MC51 Systema N-B Cylinder Type-3 ( ZS-04-19 ) PDW Systema N-B Cylinder Type-4 ( ZS-04-20 ) MP5K KM TN Coated Inner Taper Cylinder for Long AEGs ( AEGS10 ) 400mm - 590mm KM TN Coated Inner Taper Cylinder for Middle AEGs ( AEGS09 ) 200mm - 400mm KM TN Coated Inner Taper Cylinder for Shorty AEGs ( AEGS08 ) <200mm Prometheus Stainless Hard Cylinder ( A ) 451 - 550mm Prometheus Stainless Hard Cylinder ( B ) 401 - 450mm Prometheus Stainless Hard Cylinder ( C ) 301 - 400mm Prometheus Stainless Hard Cylinder ( D ) 251 - 300mm Prometheus Stainless Hard Cylinder ( E ) 201 - 250mm Prometheus Stainless Hard Cylinder ( F ) 110 - 200mm Not all guns are listed on there (especially for the brands which go by gun series and not inner barrel length), but you can derive which cylinder you want to use based on how Tokyo Marui uses same cylinders across different guns. Full - AK47 / AK47S / M16A1 / M16A2 / M16VN / Sig550 / G3A3 / G3A4 / G3-SG1 / Steyr AUG 1/3 - G36C / M1A1 Thompson / Sig551 / M4A1 / M4A1 RIS / M4 S-System / SR16 / XM133 / CAR15 / M733 Commando 3/5 - MC51 / G3 SAS / AK Beita Spetsnaz / MP5A4 / MP5A5 / MP5 RAS / MP5SD5 / MP5SD6 / MP5-J / P90 / P90 TR / Sig552 1/2 - MP5K / PDW ^^ The numbers I used here indicate the placement of the port on the cylinder. If anybody else knows of any other Marui AEGs which use version 2, 3 & 6 gearbox cylinders that aren't on that list and knows which category it goes in, let me know so that I can compile it to the list. M14 and PSG-1 cylinders are unique to their gearbox. I don't know about Famas and Uzi. Anybody know?
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November 24th, 2005, 15:21 | #34 |
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so for these new cylinders, I should be able to pop out my old one and drop in one of these? or do I need to change the cylinder-head/piston head to match?
oh, and when i look at systema parts, whats the deal with these "area 1000" parts? how would they differ from a regular systema part? |
November 24th, 2005, 16:36 | #35 | |
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November 24th, 2005, 20:01 | #36 | |
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Yes, you should be able to change JUST the cylinder, everything else will fit like it should. |
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November 25th, 2005, 15:20 | #37 | |||
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Area 1000 is Systema's "budget/economical" line. The build quality and feature sets are equivalent to Guarder. Standard Systema are usually built with better materials and finished a bit nicer. Quote:
The rings simply indicate which version of the cylinder you have in your hands. No rings = shorty 2 rings = medium 3 rings = long |
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November 25th, 2005, 15:39 | #38 |
Oh I see. Thanks for the info
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January 18th, 2007, 02:53 | #39 |
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Since this thread contains some really good info, including Illusions list of cylinder to barrel matching, can it get stickied?
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April 10th, 2007, 14:45 | #40 |
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I bought a gun with a stock V2 mechbox with a stock TM 1/3 ported cylinder.
The gun came with a shorter than stock barrel however. How can I figure out what the longest tight bore barrel is I can drive with that cylinder? Just a simple (yah right! LOL) comparison of the volume of the barrel to the volume of the cylinder using the math in the last few pages?
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April 10th, 2007, 15:04 | #41 |
Would this help? http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=...andbarrels.htm I don't think tightbore differs enough from stock barrel's bore to warrant separate considerations.
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April 10th, 2007, 15:22 | #42 | |
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SO I guess I just cover the port and I'm good to go...! Thanks for the link Saint!
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April 10th, 2007, 17:01 | #43 |
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I don't recommend port covering. The inside cylinder wall around the port still leaves an open gap that allows air to escape around the o-ring as it passes though. It will be inefficient, and your performance will have a blip in it due to that gap.
With the cylinder you have now, you can put up to a 410mm inner barrel. |
April 10th, 2007, 17:08 | #44 |
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Upgrading the cylinder is more then worth it, I put a AK length(455mm) tightbore in my M4A1 and had a few shots with it before I got my hands on a M16 Type 0 cylinder, sure it shot nice, straight, ect. But after putting that cylinder in, I was amazed at the difference in overall sound performance from the gun, but the range boost, accuracy and most of all, shot consistancy. It is a worthwhile upgrade for the long run, with a longer then stock barrel.
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I went with a Guarder non ported, a Prometheus 509mm 6.03 tightbore, and a Systema silent piston set. (Also upgraded the nozzle and tappet)
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