If I ever find the guy...

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

Edit : OOOOH, its a CYBERGUN 552. Your friend is another one of those that didnt listen to us about buying clones. Its not even a semi decent clone such as JG. Cybergun is about as bad as it gets.

Cybergun Sig552 IS a JG.

However I'm not too sure about the clear ones...

[MoreToasties]

I like the V3, actually.

And T7, it seems easy, but sometimes you really have to bang it out.

To the point where you worry about breaking parts.

I'll take fiddly parts over brute force any day.

[safx]

Shouldn't this be in the pet peeves
since it's just a noobaby cry-fest?

Somebody call the wha-bulance.

kidz

[TokyoSeven]

Originally Posted by MoreToasties

I like the V3, actually.

And T7, it seems easy, but sometimes you really have to bang it out.

To the point where you worry about breaking parts.

Really? I actually didn't realize that it was a risk at all! I was born yesterday...
You don't just start banging it on a table till it falls out, you work it out slowly and pull when you have to to maneuver around any catch points. Then again what to do I know, I was born yesterday.

[MoreToasties]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Really? I actually didn't realize that it was a risk at all! I was born yesterday...
You don't just start banging it on a table till it falls out, you work it out slowly and pull when you have to to maneuver around any catch points. Then again what to do I know, I was born yesterday.

Do I detect...sarcasm?

Mechbox.com told me to bang it out, so I banged it out.

[TokyoSeven]

Originally Posted by MoreToasties

Do I detect...sarcasm?

Oooh no! Not at all! Why in the world would you ever think I was being sarcastic!

I was being facetious.

[dubious]

Thanks for your help BTW Styrak. I don't know if you read the rest of that post or not, but it turned out to be the contacts from the trigger to the selector plate. Maybe that's why I was so fed up with it-- because the problem was caused by a part that wasn't even necessary. And yes, I also realized after the fact that a cloner was not the best gun to base my opinion on.

And in case anyone was wondering, I was actually trying to start a constructive discussion on airsoft design. Although I can see how my opening comments may have indicated otherwise

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by dubious

Thanks for your help BTW Styrak. I don't know if you read the rest of that post or not, but it turned out to be the contacts from the trigger to the selector plate. Maybe that's why I was so fed up with it-- because the problem was caused by a part that wasn't even necessary. And yes, I also realized after the fact that a cloner was not the best gun to base my opinion on.

And in case anyone was wondering, I was actually trying to start a constructive discussion on airsoft design. Although I can see how my opening comments may have indicated otherwise

What now? What did I help with?

In another thread?

[DarkAngel]

he means the electrical trigger problem thread i think.

[Jimski]

Originally Posted by MoreToasties

I like the V3, actually.

And T7, it seems easy, but sometimes you really have to bang it out.

To the point where you worry about breaking parts.

I'll take fiddly parts over brute force any day.

the AUG is easier to maintain if you dremel off one of the plastic 'rails' that supposedly support the internal buttplate, it makes more space to take out the mechbox, cables don't get caught on the way out.

[Sha Do]

One thing I'd like to point out while someone is bashing V3 mech boxes (well, he was at the beginning of the thread);

-How many of us have ever had to do a complete re/re on a V3 mech box because the box cracked and the front end blew off??

-How many of us have had to do a complete re/re on a V2 mech box because the box cracked and the front end blew off??

I do about 3-8 complete V2 rebuilds every winter because of guys playing out doors in the cold weather (the front end blows apart real nice like). Yet in all my years I have never ever had to rebuild a V3 box because the front end cracked/blew off.
Simply put, the V3 box is a better design for handling the front end stress....even though that top sliding retainer clip is a friggin pain to remove.

SHA DO

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Sha Do

One thing I'd like to point out while someone is bashing V3 mech boxes (well, he was at the beginning of the thread);

-How many of us have ever had to do a complete re/re on a V3 mech box because the box cracked and the front end blew off??

-How many of us have had to do a complete re/re on a V2 mech box because the box cracked and the front end blew off??

I do about 3-8 complete V2 rebuilds every winter because of guys playing out doors in the cold weather (the front end blows apart real nice like). Yet in all my years I have never ever had to rebuild a V3 box because the front end cracked/blew off.
Simply put, the V3 box is a better design for handling the front end stress....even though that top sliding retainer clip is a friggin pain to remove.

SHA DO

My count so far

V1 - 2 broken after that no more V1 AEG
V3 - 5 Broken box
V2 - Lost count at 35, guaranteed over 20 of them were either progear or systema box and ALL of them were broken into more than 2 seperate piece and none of these are from winter play.

[DarkAngel]

Ive never had to replace a v3 box,
never had to replace v6's or 249 boxes.
Ive had to replace over 30 V2's however

Systemas and Progears (dispite arguably being high end quality boxes) do break. I personally havent had any as im using a Progear on my c8 and Systema box on my mp5. Most of the blowouts were from TM stock shells, 2-3 CA's, God knows how many JG, Well and G&G boxes.

Higher end boxes will definately make a difference in the longetivity of the boxes, but ultimately they will break, just like pretty much any other v2 box out there. The key factor being the impact force applied to the box (Heavier spring, dry firing etc).

V2 has a well known flaw with the gearbox design right at the front of the cylinder port. Ive seen boxes that have almost complete and total annihilation. One cylinder head blowout blew the front end off cleanly, shattered the cylinder head which in turn shattered the tappet plate, which the piston in finishing the cycle shore off its teeth, the metal tooth jamming into the gear and shore off 3 teeth from the sector gear. Wiring in the switch assembly had its protective coating slit off (though im not sure if thats from the blowout itself or a previous issue). V3 is a godsend in reliability compared to the V2. But if theres no space to reinforce that section, theres nothing you can do about it. Cest la vie.

[Sha Do]

Originally Posted by wildcard

My count so far

V1 - 2 broken after that no more V1 AEG
V3 - 5 Broken box
V2 - Lost count at 35, guaranteed over 20 of them were either progear or systema box and ALL of them were broken into more than 2 seperate piece and none of these are from winter play.

LOL.....OK bro, looking for responses from those who haven't been abusing guns for more than twenty five years.....LOL
But yeah, according to the above, V3's are "statistically" proven to last longer 7 to 1.
....And don't tell me that this is because more players run Armorlites. There are just as many, if not more players running AKs (that and AUGs seem to be making a come back).
I just wish that these clone companies would at least manufacture mech boxes with comparable tolerances. Which is of course what the real reason behind this thread is.......
...time for me to shut up and...zzzzzzz

SHA DO

[TokyoSeven]

Originally Posted by Sha Do

One thing I'd like to point out while someone is bashing V3 mech boxes (well, he was at the beginning of the thread);

-How many of us have ever had to do a complete re/re on a V3 mech box because the box cracked and the front end blew off??

-How many of us have had to do a complete re/re on a V2 mech box because the box cracked and the front end blew off??

I do about 3-8 complete V2 rebuilds every winter because of guys playing out doors in the cold weather (the front end blows apart real nice like). Yet in all my years I have never ever had to rebuild a V3 box because the front end cracked/blew off.
Simply put, the V3 box is a better design for handling the front end stress....even though that top sliding retainer clip is a friggin pain to remove.

SHA DO

Ive heard many stories of V2s cracking just under the front from the cold. Its just my luck that Ive never gotten a chance to witness it. I have only witness first hand one actual mechbox failure where the shell actually cracked. It was V3 G36 that had its front end crack, granted the gun had traveled for many hours in extremely cold temperature (minus 50ish with windchill). I felt terrible for the person that day.

At this point in time though I would like to recommend the STS to any V2 users out there who would like to prolong their life of their V2s in armalites.

http://www.v2fix.com/