Heavy BB's

Amos · September 15th, 2009, 12:12

Yup.. It's your skin/gear that deforms... when a PERSON gets hit...

however if it hit glass, plastic gun, anything that is normally harder than a standard BB... but softer than a metal BB.. the metal BB will do more damage...

(But cheap aluminum is VERY soft)

As for FPS limits, they are set based on a .20 gram BB, CHANGING YOUR BB WEIGHT DOES NOT EFFECT THIS LIMIT.

I don't know why everywhere in canada has it set like this... Probably because the older generation of chronos didn't really focus much on Joules.

Joules is how should be set...

FOX_111 · September 15th, 2009, 13:57

FPS limits are set to have 1 joule at impact at a set distance.

350fps is for CQB, since it give you about 1 joule at 10 fts using .20g.
1 joule is the standard energy rating used to set minimum engagement distance. At 1 joule, BB impact sting but don't break the skin. Over 1 joule, they can make a bleeder.

So, depending on the field you play on, you could set the fps limit higher. But for general safety reason, it's capped at 400fps for AEG and 450fps for bolt action sniper rifle.

400fps (chronied with 0.20g) will give you 1.49j impact at 20 fts using 0.25g BBs.

The general rule is, the heavyer the BB, the more energy it transfer to its target on impact.

I don't want to get deeper than that, since it has been discussed in dept already.

Simon290 · September 15th, 2009, 14:44

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is the advantage of having an aluminum or graphite powder on your BB? Just for sniper 'marking' or does the powder act like a solid lubricant in the barrel? Or for the weight, which'd make no sense to me seeing as these are .30s or .36s and they make much heavier weight BBs without any additives.

All I can foresee from the powder is a dirty barrel and hop-up.

Forever_kaos · September 15th, 2009, 14:59

I'm honestly surprised at how many idiots do that FPS decrease with a lower weight.
It says with .20 in most cases, not .3 or some other bullshit.

CDN_Stalker · September 15th, 2009, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon290

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is the advantage of having an aluminum or graphite powder on your BB? Just for sniper 'marking' or does the powder act like a solid lubricant in the barrel? Or for the weight, which'd make no sense to me seeing as these are .30s or .36s and they make much heavier weight BBs without any additives.

All I can foresee from the powder is a dirty barrel and hop-up.

All it really does is that, dirty and slick up the barrel and hop up. For the purpose, I dont' know really why graphite coating is applied to some 0.36g BBs, I'm thinking it's to build up and cover imperfections in the BB surface. As for what the heavier ones like Straight makes are made for, is high powered steel sillhouette shooting in Japan, without any hop up, just straight barrel.... according to legend anyways.

FOX_111 · September 15th, 2009, 16:29

It is said that the graphite coated BB have less resistance in the barrel and travel more smootly and acuratly.

In reality, like Stalker said, they dirty up your weapon and make it inconsitent after several shots.

Graphite transfer to target is not the intended use of the coating, that is almost 100% sure.

Ronan · September 15th, 2009, 16:40

If theirs some wierd coating (let it be graphite, alu or w/e) its usually because the BB is produce cheaply and they need to make up for it by adding weight and/or making it look nice.

Only polished BB's go in my mags and through my tightbores since i know they won't leave something behind.

BB Bastards FTW

Simon290 · September 15th, 2009, 16:52

Thanks Stalker and FOX, as I suspected. I'll stick to my MadBulls n' Bastards.

Con Murder · September 15th, 2009, 18:56

I saw some on shootsoft called verdict and they say that they are for marking targets with a powder but they are not graphite. This is to some degree of an intrest to me but I don't want to test them myself. Anyone know about them? Who is the shootsoft rep here? I know they get/got a bad rap but I'm certain if we spoke directly and stuff he would reassure me everything would be fine, and that makes me hope he would see to it himself... Ya the BBs, are they to new to know or duds that are being remarketed?

NoGear · September 15th, 2009, 19:56

i suspect that the "verdicts" will leave gunk in your barrel aswell. polished are your best bet. You also have to factor if you can spot a bb sized paint on someone at 50ft even its going to be pretty hard even if its flouresentlike high lighters or something

FOX_111 · September 15th, 2009, 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con Murder

I saw some on shootsoft called verdict and they say that they are for marking targets with a powder but they are not graphite. This is to some degree of an intrest to me but I don't want to test them myself. Anyone know about them? Who is the shootsoft rep here? I know they get/got a bad rap but I'm certain if we spoke directly and stuff he would reassure me everything would be fine, and that makes me hope he would see to it himself... Ya the BBs, are they to new to know or duds that are being remarketed?

Those are a derivative of paintball BBs.
They won't be allowed in our games. And they probably will fail at some point and mess up your equipment.

Our equipment is not designed to shoot projectiles that contain stuff and that are friable.

ILLusion · September 16th, 2009, 02:17

They are not paintball BBs.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...il?bulletID=81

http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/7782

Con Murder · September 16th, 2009, 02:29

Ya they seem more on par with bio bbs then paintballs but whatever, $50 is steep for 5000 .25s that may do damage. And I think the mark would be useful with a ref, I know if one of my team mates came up to me with a fresh mark I'd send him to respawn so thats another reason.
Ya ya, we could have hypothesis after hypothesis but does anyone know if such a thing was marketed before?

Tex · September 16th, 2009, 02:31

nope not paintball bb's. search for Blammo Kill Marker on this site.

AngelusNex · September 16th, 2009, 10:44

so powder coated... that sounds like a tightbores nightmare.

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September 15th, 2009, 12:12	#16
Amos Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Japan	Yup.. It's your skin/gear that deforms... when a PERSON gets hit... however if it hit glass, plastic gun, anything that is normally harder than a standard BB... but softer than a metal BB.. the metal BB will do more damage... (But cheap aluminum is VERY soft) As for FPS limits, they are set based on a .20 gram BB, CHANGING YOUR BB WEIGHT DOES NOT EFFECT THIS LIMIT. I don't know why everywhere in canada has it set like this... Probably because the older generation of chronos didn't really focus much on Joules. Joules is how should be set... __________________ Custom Builds: FA3674U Krinkov G3SD6

September 15th, 2009, 13:57	#17
FOX_111 Le Roi des poissons d'avril Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Terrebonne, Québec	FPS limits are set to have 1 joule at impact at a set distance. 350fps is for CQB, since it give you about 1 joule at 10 fts using .20g. 1 joule is the standard energy rating used to set minimum engagement distance. At 1 joule, BB impact sting but don't break the skin. Over 1 joule, they can make a bleeder. So, depending on the field you play on, you could set the fps limit higher. But for general safety reason, it's capped at 400fps for AEG and 450fps for bolt action sniper rifle. 400fps (chronied with 0.20g) will give you 1.49j impact at 20 fts using 0.25g BBs. The general rule is, the heavyer the BB, the more energy it transfer to its target on impact. I don't want to get deeper than that, since it has been discussed in dept already. __________________ Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne

September 15th, 2009, 14:59	#19
Forever_kaos Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mississauga.	I'm honestly surprised at how many idiots do that FPS decrease with a lower weight. It says with .20 in most cases, not .3 or some other bullshit. __________________ Johann Hansen. 1./SS-Pz-Gren. Rgt. 20. 9th SS Hohenstaufen. Ontario's Largest WW2 re-enactment. OP Woodsman. Join us!

September 15th, 2009, 14:44	#18
Simon290 Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005	Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is the advantage of having an aluminum or graphite powder on your BB? Just for sniper 'marking' or does the powder act like a solid lubricant in the barrel? Or for the weight, which'd make no sense to me seeing as these are .30s or .36s and they make much heavier weight BBs without any additives. All I can foresee from the powder is a dirty barrel and hop-up.

September 15th, 2009, 16:29	#21
FOX_111 Le Roi des poissons d'avril Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Terrebonne, Québec	It is said that the graphite coated BB have less resistance in the barrel and travel more smootly and acuratly. In reality, like Stalker said, they dirty up your weapon and make it inconsitent after several shots. Graphite transfer to target is not the intended use of the coating, that is almost 100% sure. __________________ Vérificateur d'âge: Terrebonne

September 15th, 2009, 16:52	#23
Simon290 Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005	Thanks Stalker and FOX, as I suspected. I'll stick to my MadBulls n' Bastards.

September 15th, 2009, 18:56	#24
Con Murder Trader rating Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lethbridge Alberta Canada	I saw some on shootsoft called verdict and they say that they are for marking targets with a powder but they are not graphite. This is to some degree of an intrest to me but I don't want to test them myself. Anyone know about them? Who is the shootsoft rep here? I know they get/got a bad rap but I'm certain if we spoke directly and stuff he would reassure me everything would be fine, and that makes me hope he would see to it himself... Ya the BBs, are they to new to know or duds that are being remarketed? __________________ Con Murder Dark Rhino L.A. Airsoft

September 15th, 2009, 19:56	#25
NoGear likes being humiliated Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Surrey BC	i suspect that the "verdicts" will leave gunk in your barrel aswell. polished are your best bet. You also have to factor if you can spot a bb sized paint on someone at 50ft even its going to be pretty hard even if its flouresentlike high lighters or something

September 16th, 2009, 02:17	#27
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	They are not paintball BBs. http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...il?bulletID=81 http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/7782 __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

September 16th, 2009, 02:29	#28
Con Murder Trader rating Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lethbridge Alberta Canada	Ya they seem more on par with bio bbs then paintballs but whatever, $50 is steep for 5000 .25s that may do damage. And I think the mark would be useful with a ref, I know if one of my team mates came up to me with a fresh mark I'd send him to respawn so thats another reason. Ya ya, we could have hypothesis after hypothesis but does anyone know if such a thing was marketed before? __________________ Con Murder Dark Rhino L.A. Airsoft

September 16th, 2009, 02:31	#29
Tex Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Abbotsford, B.C.	nope not paintball bb's. search for Blammo Kill Marker on this site. __________________ W-69 _/\|

September 16th, 2009, 10:44	#30
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	so powder coated... that sounds like a tightbores nightmare.

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