Illegal Drug use during Airsoft Games

[Disco_Dante]

I don't think there's many airsofters who get high on opium before a game...

[safx]

Well,

There is no point in arguing the
base point since it just makes
sense not to be impaired while
you do anything that requires
quick reflexes and judgement
calls.

But, this is really a case by case
issue since most fields are private
other than paintball fields. And
we're all adults so it's your call
how you want to enjoy your play.
Albeit, you should know what's
acceptable to the host/field owner.
Consuming alcohol and driving
is legal, to a point. I don't see a
big deal if the consumption of pot
and alcohol is minimal. People
know their own limits, and if they
appear to be impaired, then a
host should remove them.

Some people take over the counter
meds for a variety of relief. I've
been using strong allergy pills for
decades. Some people would be
impaired/drousy from my pills, I'm
used to them and show zero signs.

Before attending TAC on a Friday
I'll have a couple of pints to relax
after a work week, while loading up
my gear etc. Maybe a beer while
on break there, and a couple at the
end while relaxing with the gang
and sharing some laughs. In all the
years I've played indoor/ outdoor,
I've never been involved in any
unsafe situations while playing.

[Assault Pioneer]

Originally Posted by Disco_Dante

I don't think there's many airsofters who get high on opium before a game...

opium, pot whatever, I dont want some smelly moron blind firing from behind a log because a breeze rolled through and he thought the moving grass was the enemy....

[Spawn28]

Originally Posted by haakon45

opium, pot whatever, I dont want some smelly moron blind firing from behind a log because a breeze rolled through and he thought the moving grass was the enemy....

you talkin about a stoner or a newb who dont shower cause ive seen some newbs do some pretty stupid shit either way i agree pot/alcohol should be left at home or at least till its over and your off the grounds. hell i try to wait to even have a smoke till i get to the rspawn area

[Brian McIlmoyle]

we can all agree that being drunk or stoned at a game is not acceptable.

The question posed was .. Should this forum ASC take a "stand" on it and revoke AV status if people are found to be drunk or stoned at games

.. no one ( but me) has addressed this point.

I say again.. it's not within ASC's mandate to take punish people for actions not directly affecting ASC.

[safx]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

we can all agree that being drunk or stoned at a game is not acceptable.

The question posed was .. Should this forum ASC take a "stand" on it and revoke AV status if people are found to be drunk or stoned at games

.. no one ( but me) has addressed this point.

I say again.. it's not within ASC's mandate to take punish people for actions not directly affecting ASC.

Agreed.

And it's already been stated by
the site admin in the past, that
ASC is a trading post.

They don't enforce or police the
policy or practices done in the
game world. Your AV status is
granted to have access to buying
selling and trading here. Nothing
more that I'm aware of.

[IceTray]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

Should this forum ASC take a "stand" on it and revoke AV status if people are found to be drunk or stoned at games

For lack of a better word, +1.

[Drake]

Just to reiterate for the general public what I said on the other thread, the point being addressed isn't so much if people agree/disagree with it but whether or not it's ASC's (admin/staff) place to police this.

If the community (or groups) want to take a stance against certain people and ostracize them, retailers not sell to them, etc that's one thing. But should ASC's administration be policing people's activities outside of the forums?

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by Drake

Just to reiterate for the general public what I said on the other thread, the point being addressed isn't so much if people agree/disagree with it but whether or not it's ASC's (admin/staff) place to police this.

If the community (or groups) want to take a stance against certain people and ostracize them, retailers not sell to them, etc that's one thing. But should ASC's administration be policing people's activities outside of the forums?

Indeed , that is the question.. and the answer has to be

NO .. it's not within ASC's mandate to do so

AND as a field owner I object to some body external to me choosing who I do or do not allow on my field, If I don't have a voice in those decisions.

As a clearing house for information .. certainly ASc could be a Host for conversations between hosts/ owners regarding such restrictions but only as a venue to have those conversations and not as a party to them

[shiftsup]

It's none of ASC's business.

I have been to games where players have gone to their vehicles and sparked one or more up during down time.

It never crossed my mind to tell ASC about it so they can hand out punishment even if they could.

If somebody sparks one it's there business as well as the game host and owner.

If someone expresses concern about drug use to the game host and / or owner that's their business too.

But asking ASC to play cop?

Na.

It's hard enough for owners and hosts to get players to comply with "safe zone" rules

Nevermind peeping into cars in the parking lot for reefer madness.

[aZn_triXta07]

If we ever want to show the soccer moms of Canada that we're not gun-toting crazies who break every law there is or doesn't exist than we definitely need to take a stand towards this kind of behaviour.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Simon290

AEGs are not weapons, this community is trying to prove that to the government.

AEGs very much qualify as weapons, if you read the Criminal Code.

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

Empowering a entitiy that is nothing more than an meeting and information sharing clearing house with such a mandate is bound to lead to abuses and will result in an overall loss of membership.

ASC has no place in this issue, it is a Host / field owner problem full stop.

I think you contradict yourself, Brian. By virtue of being a meeting and information clearing house, ASC has a place in this issue because it's happening through ASC. It's like saying a 10-yr old kids game played in a public park (or worse, some sort of racist-themed scenario game) posted on ASC would have no impact on ASC. Any meeting and information clearing house is nature defined by the quality of meeting and information sharing that take place upon it.

Forget revoking AV status. Is it really that hard to make a rule about no alcohol and drugs at games post on ASC? People can arrange games with alcohol and drugs all they want via PM or off ASC, but just to nip it in the bud now, no one should be promoting any public game that features alcohol and drugs as part of play through ASC.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by aZn_triXta07

If we ever want to show the soccer moms of Canada that we're not gun-toting crazies who break every law there is or doesn't exist than we definitely need to take a stand towards this kind of behaviour.

Who do you mean by "We"

Game hosts have already taken a stand.. some are more permissable than others and that should be their choice.

[Kurgan]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

we can all agree that being drunk or stoned at a game is not acceptable.

The question posed was .. Should this forum ASC take a "stand" on it and revoke AV status if people are found to be drunk or stoned at games

.. no one ( but me) has addressed this point.

I say again.. it's not within ASC's mandate to take punish people for actions not directly affecting ASC.

Being complancent does not make it right. If the community agrees that such an action should be taken against an offender, is it then acceptable continue?

You allow drinking before and during events at your center. That's your perogative.... Personally, would not allow liquor on at any event that I host. Private property has with it a duty of care involving your guests safety.

Not allowing behavior with simulated firearms, the same as you would with actual firearms is a good place to start.

What's wrong with restricting the purchase of airsoft guns on this forum if you find someone is
#1, registered on this forum and purchasing guns here
#2, has been caught at one of your fields doing drugs.

I see no issue with trying to keep the sport clean.

And yes... THC will show up in a drug test. One part of my job is dealing with contaminated water and soil. I know that if the person who installs the well smokes and does not use gloves, the chemicals show up in the water analysis.

[coach]

How about this, let them be until they break a rule here that compromises the safety of themselves and/or others. Revoking AV status should only be considered then and not on the grounds of drug use. If they are are going to be stupid and go shoot up, smoke or whatever in their car, you can try calling the cops. Whether or not they will come is a different story. One issue I have will be with blatant illicit use of drugs around minors and I will not stand for that. Many games will be at PB fields and there will likely be minors around.

If you're going to use drugs, go be stupid in the privacy of your own home.