P226 vs. Glock 19

[Nick_273]

Sorry made Man, but I want to buy my first gun un-used.

Some more questions

Since .3g and .25g (notice I didnt say 2.5g :P) BB's are so much better, why do .2g even exist and are so popular? any pros/cons on heavier bb's?

[made Man]

Originally Posted by Nick_273

Sorry made Man, but I want to buy my first gun un-used.

Some more questions

Since .3g and .25g (notice I didnt say 2.5g :P) BB's are so much better, why do .2g even exist and are so popular? any pros/cons on heavier bb's?

Well, then go ahead and spend... way more :tup:

[Captain Tenneal]

Personally I weighed the two guns; and I prefer the P226 over the G19.

Preformance: Pretty similar, admittedly it's very easy to get a FMU slide for a G19 vs. a FMU slide for a P226 for propane useage; but I find that the newer TM GBB's work admirably under propane and I get a nice clean 'crisp' recoil from both. Pretty much same recoil, and the same rof.

Ammo: 25 rounds vs. 20 Rounds, P226 sort of wins on this issue, sort of.. (See below)

Magazines: Magazines are far easier to obtain for the KSC though, so keep that in mind, but the TM mag design really does shine through. The bottom hole on the P226 mag makes mag loading a cinch, wheras the KSC features a locking mag follower, which helps in ensuring double-feeds, but I sometimes find this troublesome (esp. when you try and pre-load a round, it sometimes causes the mag follower to stay in the locked position).

Not to mention: TM's flexible polymer/plastic feeding head basically prevents the nasty problem of accidentally spraying bb's all over the place which I have done on more than one occasion with the Glock and other GBB's. But: This makes them sort of a hassle to unload them for storage..

Hop Up: KSC's dial-o-matic vs. TM's under-barrel dial. It's sort of a tradeoff; one you really need a tool to adjust but can be done with the slide still on, vs. TM's where it's just a simple dial on the bottom of the outer barrel, but needs the entire slide assembly taken off to adjust.

Accuracy: I found them deadly accurate on every occasion that i've used both guns. Admittedly; I was using a severely battered/beaten up KWA G19, but it was remarkably accurate in the CQB zone where I was in. I even used it against visiting PPCLI infantrymen who took all the rental armalites, and left me with the rather amusing G19, and it worked great.

P226 I also find is a straight shooter through and through. Still haven't had a problem with it yet (whereas I've had problems with damn near pretty much every single other gun that i've owned), but it's a pretty dead-on shooter.

Mag Cooldown: I didn't really have issues with mag cool down with either gun (there were a few times, but that was chocked up to under-filling),

Features: TM's 226 does feature a very nice decocker, well within reach of your thumb (provided you fire the gun with your right hand) and fairly easy to use safeties. Glock is.. Spartan, but that is one of the major attractive features of it.

However, some people do enjoy the exposed hammer of the P226 vs. the closed-hammer of the glock, mainly because you don't have to cock the gun to just cock the hammer.

Upgradability: There are plenty of new frames/slides and upgrades for the P226, but there are pretty much the same number for the Glock (admittedly less metal parts if you like that type of thing), but otherwise nothing really substantial stands out between the two. (But the P226 has a threaded barrel that WORKS!)

External accessories are diverse, as they both have a rail (admittedly the P226 has several grooves vs. the glock's single groove) for mounting things like tac-lights.

Size/Shape: Between the two, the G19 is a wee bit smaller (in my opinion), but I haven't held them up side-by-side yet so that's sort of up for grabs. And of course; if you like boxes, go with boxes, if you like.. boxy curved items.. go with.. You get the picture

Sight Picture: It's sort of a tie, I suppose it depends on what picture you want. Glock has a nice neat U shaped groove, painted white on their rear sight with a single dot on the front blade. Rear IIRC is adjustable (and has led to many a lost rear sight pictures), and both are replacable with fibre-optics (which are expensive)

Vs. The P226, wherein it has permanently fixed three dot sights (meaning two dots on the rear, one dot on the front blade), makes also an attractive sight picture (admittedly, there are circular grooves on the top of the sights themselves, which I think are white on the real steel version, but remained unpainted for the airsoft one) and IIRC are also replacable with real-steel tritium sights.

Grips: P226 has a nice pebbly feel with two solid grips on either side. Glock 19 is just a simple polymer frame with light finger grooves; but both equally go well with hogue handall grips (or if you're more of a wraparound type, apperantly the hogue full grip will fit on the P226 with sufficient modification), I find the glock grip too is sort of boxy, but it'll work either way.

Personally I side now with the P226; Not only is it a kickass weapon used by people like Jack Bauer and Neil McCauley, but with 5 more rounds than the G19, and it's very unique styling; i'd side with the newer gun. Plus; you get decent trades to boot!

Edit: I posted way too much stuff: Go with the P226!

[made Man]

Did you mean by "lost rear sight pictures" that rear sight just falls off? Well, there's a simple solution for that. Take a strip of paper, fold it ONCE, slide it into the sight thingy on the frame, slide in the rear sight. Pure physics I hope i saved some people a lot of headache over the rear sights

[CDN_Stalker]

Nuff said, great job! If I wasn't in love my my G19s, I'd buy a P226!

[Brian McIlmoyle]

I have 4 of the KJW "pre upgraded" G19 with the metal slide and barrel.. I put Guarder recoil springs in em.. these I use for "school Guns" for training new people. They have had tens of thousands of rounds through them with zero problems.. these are also rental guns.. so they get abused.. dropped .. kicked.. they are beat up.. but still shooting straight and hard.. you simply cant go wrong with the G19

I just got a TM P226.. fully tripped out with a metal slide an barrel ..some internal upgrades.. Hogue grips... and it is quite nice.. really like the decocker.
Shoots hard and sharp .. crisp action.. Mags are nice but I worry about the plastic feed lips.. So far a nice gun.. time will tel if it is as reliable as the G19s

[CDN_Stalker]

One thing MuffinMan forgot to add, any KSC Glock mag will fit any KSC Glock, within reason of course. A G19 mag won't work in a G17, but a G17 mag will work in a G19. Is why the G19 is cool, you can use G17/G18, G19, G23 (same mag anyways), and even the super extended 50rd mags (Quantis just bought two of them, look hilarious in his G18C, even more so in a G19!) Buying longer mags makes them stick out the bottom, but gives you extra ammo. Use the stock mag inthe gun for carry and immediate use, use the longer mags as reloads when your in the poop.

[Mafioso_Grande]

Brian, just curious, do you mean that you have 4 KWA G19 full metals, or 4 KJW G23 full metals?

[skaterjoe]

hey, for all you glock users, is there any reson to get a G19 over a G17? other than a G19 will fit smaller hands. (i dont have small hands)
thanks

[made Man]

I think G19 was produced after G17 eliminating some of the bad things? no?
I dont have small hands either, and it fits perfectly. All of my hand is on the grip and it doesnt stick out at the bottom.

[skaterjoe]

what sort of bad things?
i have felt both, and either one would work for me, its just i think i would rather have more of a full size gun rather than a compact. and i already have an enhanced recoil spring for the 17

[made Man]

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread....ighlight=glock Uh.... maybe not bugs.... Stalker said G17/18 sucks compared to 19

[skaterjoe]

skaterjoe, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

seems im not good enough to know. :razz:
any way, unless its some technical issues ill probably just go with the 17, unless stalker showes up and convinces me other wise.

[integratyperx]

From what I remember the 19 has a metal feed ramp, instead of the plastic one in the 17, and also has a heavweight frame, which feels ALOT more realistic and gives it a more realistic weight as well

[made Man]

Originally Posted by integratyperx

From what I remember the 19 has a metal feed ramp, instead of the plastic one in the 17, and also has a heavweight frame, which feels ALOT more realistic and gives it a more realistic weight as well

AND also feels cold when you touch it

skaterjoe, it seems you're not age verefied here...