Sniper Weapons

[Jagd]

There is something that puzzle me with the whole: "Do not grab a clone, cauz after putting 1000$ in it, you will not be able to hit a barn"

Dude I am seeing guys with stock UTG L96 hit a chest at 150 feet consistently with the rifle STOCK, Just out of the box, remove the excess of grease getting good quality BB's cleaning the barrel and adjusting the barrel spacers. Just that, I am not talking about buying upgrade parts yet...

Also if I am buying a new cylinder, cylinder head, piston, spring guide, piston head, new hop-up and new barrel. Well I have changed everything, they are all new parts. So that I have a clone or not were is the tolerance problem? Everything has been changed save for the stock and the outer barrel.

I don't get it why I would need to pay 200-300$ more for a Maruzen that would be completely stripped too. As a matter of fact right now I know someone with a Maruzen L96 that shoots worst than a stock UTG L96 and there is some basic upgrades already in the Maruzen...

The only part (maybe I am wrong though) that I could think that could cause problem with the Clone over a Maruzen would be the Zero trigger upgrade...I could see a tolerance problem there with the barrel and bolt assembly.

Also another thing is, there is quite a world of difference having a sniper that hits a human size at 200 feet consistently and having another sniper rifle consistently shooting a head at 250-300 feet. You can really well snipe and have lots of fun in hitting a human size target at 200 feet without sinking 2000$!

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

There is something that puzzle me with the whole: "Do not grab a clone, cauz after putting 1000$ in it, you will not be able to hit a barn"

Dude I am seeing guys with stock UTG L96 hit a chest at 150 feet consistently with the rifle STOCK, Just out of the box, remove the excess of grease getting good quality BB's cleaning the barrel and adjusting the barrel spacers. Just that, I am not talking about buying upgrade parts yet...

Also if I am buying a new cylinder, cylinder head, piston, spring guide, piston head, new hop-up and new barrel. Well I have changed everything, they are all new parts. So that I have a clone or not were is the tolerance problem? Everything has been changed save for the stock and the outer barrel.

I don't get it why I would need to pay 200-300$ more for a Maruzen that would be completely stripped too. As a matter of fact right now I know someone with a Maruzen L96 that shoots worst than a stock UTG L96 and there is some basic upgrades already in the Maruzen...

The only part (maybe I am wrong though) that I could think that could cause problem with the Clone over a Maruzen would be the Zero trigger upgrade...I could see a tolerance problem there with the barrel and bolt assembly.

Also another thing is, there is quite a world of difference having a sniper that hits a human size at 200 feet consistently and having another sniper rifle consistently shooting a head at 250-300 feet. You can really well snipe and have lots of fun in hitting a human size target at 200 feet without sinking 2000$!

The keyword is inconsistency there are those with clones that have no issue then there are those with issues till hell freezes over buying a quality BA such as Maruzen, CA etc have the advantage of being built right from the start as such they also have their flaws but not as much as a cloned product. personally I have seen clones of the Maruzen L96 imperfections side by side and when compared to a different gun but same make clone they are different, it's almost like as if each clone are made different. the point is buyer beware 90%of the tiem you buy clones they are bound to have issues, even first run productions from a reliable company have issues.

[Eldin]

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

There is something that puzzle me with the whole: "Do not grab a clone, cauz after putting 1000$ in it, you will not be able to hit a barn"

Dude I am seeing guys with stock UTG L96 hit a chest at 150 feet consistently with the rifle STOCK, Just out of the box, remove the excess of grease getting good quality BB's cleaning the barrel and adjusting the barrel spacers. Just that, I am not talking about buying upgrade parts yet...

Also if I am buying a new cylinder, cylinder head, piston, spring guide, piston head, new hop-up and new barrel. Well I have changed everything, they are all new parts. So that I have a clone or not were is the tolerance problem? Everything has been changed save for the stock and the outer barrel.

I don't get it why I would need to pay 200-300$ more for a Maruzen that would be completely stripped too. As a matter of fact right now I know someone with a Maruzen L96 that shoots worst than a stock UTG L96 and there is some basic upgrades already in the Maruzen...

The only part (maybe I am wrong though) that I could think that could cause problem with the Clone over a Maruzen would be the Zero trigger upgrade...I could see a tolerance problem there with the barrel and bolt assembly.

Also another thing is, there is quite a world of difference having a sniper that hits a human size at 200 feet consistently and having another sniper rifle consistently shooting a head at 250-300 feet. You can really well snipe and have lots of fun in hitting a human size target at 200 feet without sinking 2000$!

Maybe for about 100 rounds, after that, your monkey metal sears get worn down, the barrel starts to bend, the spring starts to die.

Then you must sink a lot of money into it, like I said, reliability.
A stock clone is not reliable, it will only last you a little while until it either breaks or you keep on running it and enjoy having 10ft groupings at 100ft

A reliable sniper platform = Something that will last you a few years with minimal problems, maintaining excellent function.

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

There is something that puzzle me with the whole: "Do not grab a clone, cauz after putting 1000$ in it, you will not be able to hit a barn"

You can really well snipe and have lots of fun in hitting a human size target at 200 feet without sinking 2000$!

Youve owned/handled how many guns?

Your buddy got lucky with 1 UTG gun that works. the other 99 out of 100 come out of the factory broken or as a lemon. Material quality and QC are the biggest problems with clone manufacturers.

Go talk to any Seasoned BA user, and ask why they ALL swear on CA/Maruzen/TM BA's.

Better yet, go figure out why 1-2 years ago (when UTG and JG BA's hit the market) why there was a sudden influx of used Upgraded clone BA's for sale on the classifieds with "minor issues". There was like 2-3 of em up for sale every week.

If your BA isnt consistant, it aint worth shit.

[sarosh]

K, if your just looking to have some fun because say were you play there is a big wooded area and you just want to snipe once in a while you dont need to drop over 1000 into sniping. this is airsoft not competition paintball, were theres more cometition then fun. if you dont want to play the "sniper role" where everything is so serious and you want to just have fun and just use a sniper for the love of god, just buy an upgraded one from the classifieds for a decent amount, or buy something like an m14 or spr.

[Styrak]

My upgraded TM Hicapa is a reliable sniping platform.

[Jagd]

Well I am not saying that I would expect a stock clone to perform well. I am saying that you do not need to put 1000$ for reliably hitting a human size target at 200 feet.

L96 clones are also are apparently way better than their VSR counter part.

Another thing also to consider, someone that play sniper but like also some other roles and will snipe at 3 or 4 games max during the summer, it's not like someone who's playing 15 games plus and is a dedicated sniper and need an ultra reliable sniper, because he using only that...

And in the event that I have sank 1000$ on upgrade parts for a clone Maruzen L96 and it works crap and I need absolutely the real deal. I fail to see how all that money when down the drain...? I just buy the real deal and I have a clone body that I have paid a few hundred bucks.

The point is, it's possible to have a clone sniper, which performs well with 500-600$ upgrades max. Then again it all depends what your goal is but for consistent human size at 200 feet, no way you need more than that in upgrade parts...

[Spawn28]

Originally Posted by Styrak

My upgraded TM Hicapa is a reliable sniping platform.

lol that there is some funny shit

[sarosh]

the field i play at has a big wooded area with 3 different fields in it, if we have enough guys we combine all 3 and play one big field. so sometime i think hey it would be cool to have a sniper so mabey when we play this once every couple weeks ill jst hang low in the wooded part and try sniping. why the hell would i drop 2000 on a sniper when i havnt even dropped 2000 into the sport all together in 2 years. i use an mp5 right now, thats like saying i have to drop 2000 to play the mp5 role or drop serious cash just to play the m4 role. its ridiculous to think that because you want to snipe here and there that you have to spend a couple thousand. like i said earlier this is airsoft, not the swat team.

[Jagd]

Originally Posted by sarosh

K, if your just looking to have some fun because say were you play there is a big wooded area and you just want to snipe once in a while you dont need to drop over 1000 into sniping. this is airsoft not competition paintball, were theres more cometition then fun. if you dont want to play the "sniper role" where everything is so serious and you want to just have fun and just use a sniper for the love of god, just buy an upgraded one from the classifieds for a decent amount, or buy something like an m14 or spr.

Exaclty was about to say! I am not talking going at game and expect to play sniper role with my clone and some upgrades over 4-5 dedicated snipers with heavily modified sniper guns in the 2000$ plus range and expect to match those guys, it's just common sense.

But for your regular wood skirmish, when there is people with mostly AEG and a few guys with rifles and were are talking about guns in the $600 range. I am sure you could have some fun there.

I am not arguing that real deals are better, I know they are. But I just don't believe that someone needs to sink 1000$ in upgrade parts to have some fun and play sniper once in while and hitting someone at 200 feet, 3 ouf 5 times.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by sarosh

why the hell would i drop 2000 on a sniper when i havnt even dropped 2000 into the sport all together in 2 years. i use an mp5 right now, thats like saying i have to drop 2000 to play the mp5 role or drop serious cash just to play the m4 role. its ridiculous to think that because you want to snipe here and there that you have to spend a couple thousand. like i said earlier this is airsoft, not the swat team.

Funny I remember saying that too way back in 91 when I still have my MP5 JAC.........Comeback in say 5yrs and I will bet you my entire collection that your present view will be completely different

[sarosh]

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

Exaclty was about to say! I am not talking going at game and expect to play sniper role with my clone and some upgrades over 4-5 dedicated snipers with heavily modified sniper guns in the 2000$ plus range and expect to match those guys, it's just common sense.

But for your regular wood skirmish, when there is people with mostly AEG and a few guys with rifles and were are talking about guns in the $600 range. I am sure you could have some fun there.

I am not arguing that real deals are better, I know they are. But I just don't believe that someone needs to sink 1000$ in upgrade parts to have some fun and play sniper once in while and hitting someone at 200 feet, 3 ouf 5 times.

ya i know what you mean, i play weekly games with the same group of guys. were there to have fun and just play airsoft. we dont play hardcore against other teams and play for win or lose. yet every person who comes through here just asking a simple question is told if you dont spend $2000+ on sniping gtfo

[DarkAngel]

Sure.... if your using your BA Stock (450) with NO MED.
If your playing in wooded lots, you wont even be able to engage any REAL targets outside your MED.
With BA's at lvl 3, running 550 fps, with a MINIMUM MED of 200ft, that accuracy counts. The difference is. People who play for fun in wooded lots running around shooting targets at long range are NOT snipers. They are Marskmen at BEST.

Snipers bound with full kit in a ghillies for hours just to get to their FOP, so they can line up that ONE objective shot given to them by their CO (Usually the Enemy CO or POI). They dont take potshots at random people running around. If they miss the FIRST SHOT, they FAILED and their 1-2hour bound was for nothing.

If you want to play as a Marksman, go ahead, you dont even need a BA for that. Hell, I get most of my long range distance shots from my Hicapa 4.3

You guys need to start utilizing the term "sniper" properly. Not everyone with a BA is a "sniper"

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by sarosh

ya i know what you mean, i play weekly games with the same group of guys. were there to have fun and just play airsoft. we dont play hardcore against other teams and play for win or lose. yet every person who comes through here just asking a simple question is told if you dont spend $2000+ on sniping gtfo

Well Sarosh, if you look at the original Op he listed several prices as to which level is a good start? well from playing this game for over a decade and has gone through all the growing pains teh price I gave him of anywhere $1000 over is about right, I'm not saying he have to do it but the ballpark number I gave him is dead on. Airsoft like any other sport that involve a lot of moving parts can be both cheap and expensive depends where you go or how good your skills are in getting deals but GOOD/GREAT QUALITY and CHEAP ARE very RARE in this sport teh same principle can be applied to cars - why mod a civic with thousand of dollars worth of upgrade so it can perform like a sports car?, why not buy a sports car in the first place?

[Jagd]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

Sure.... if your using your BA Stock (450) with NO MED.
If your playing in wooded lots, you wont even be able to engage any REAL targets outside your MED.
With BA's at lvl 3, running 550 fps, with a MINIMUM MED of 200ft, that accuracy counts. The difference is. People who play for fun in wooded lots running around shooting targets at long range are NOT snipers. They are Marskmen at BEST.

Snipers bound with full kit in a ghillies for hours just to get to their FOP, so they can line up that ONE objective shot given to them by their CO (Usually the Enemy CO or POI). They dont take potshots at random people running around. If they miss the FIRST SHOT, they FAILED and their 1-2hour bound was for nothing.

If you want to play as a Marksman, go ahead, you dont even need a BA for that. Hell, I get most of my long range distance shots from my Hicapa 4.3

You guys need to start utilizing the term "sniper" properly. Not everyone with a BA is a "sniper"

Sorry you are right about the sniper thing, my bad. I was thinking about marskman or designated marksman in a regular squad but, that is using a bolt rifle. Or a marksman that could be use in a defensive position to protect a base or valuable assets or something. I was using sniper, but it was marksman that I meant. I have to disagree with you though on something. With a silent BA hitting people at 150-200 feet when they do not hear the shot, is alot different than doing it after shooting 2-3 shots of a blowback pistol that reveals your position.

Anyway another thing, is that for the veteran like you that is a certified 3 Bolt action operator, that played for years, you should know better than saying to some new guys who obviously by their description wanted to play more of a SDM than a sniper, say to them that with 1000$ of upgrades you could not hit a barn, because it is obviously not true and you knew what the person meant in the first place but you (I am talking about the other "real" snipers not only you) had to tell them to sink 2000$ on a sniper or go home...which is not true.

Veteran should simply say to people who wants to experience the marksman role with a BA rifle that if they want to use their BA as a marksman it is feasible without sinking tons of money but if you want to consistantly head shot someone at 300 feet, well get ready to sink some money into the project!