Systema FTK-12 for PSG-1

N3XO · April 14th, 2006, 06:57

Guys, my the prob is my FTK-12 is not working for my PSG after I install everything with Sanyo 10.8 V - 1100 mah battery. It seems the power doesnt have enough torque to press the 300% spring from FTK-12.

But if I'm using PSG-1 standard spring, piston, etc, it cycles like normal....

So I'm confuse, whats really going on here. The only component from FTK-12 that I havent install is only the systema relay switch.

May be you havse some explanation about this, which part do I miss....
Thanks a lot

Rgdrs,
Danny

enzian · April 14th, 2006, 09:20

Ok, first a picture from airsoftplayers.com:

You've got two problems: 1) the gear-timing. You can see on number 14 how to adjust the sector gear.
And 2) the electric device. You have to put the cut off lever when you slide on the device (number 18).

N3XO · April 15th, 2006, 14:23

Enz, the gear timing is correct. I've done the number 14 correctly, I've check it again. The spring is moving with 10.8 v - 1100 mah battery, but only 80%, the spring not even reach the max...

But when I change the spring with the standard PSG spring, it cycles perfectly, means the mechbox assembly is okay...

I'm trying to find a large battery and let's see if it's work or not. If it still not working, I'll totally confuse.

Anyway thanks for your reply buddy....

rgdrs,
danny

Cortexburn · April 15th, 2006, 14:32

I had the full tune up kit installed and had the 300% in and my 10.8v 1500 cranked if fine. I started to run into serious issues due to my lack of a charger that would handle a 10.8v.......

I had the PSG-1 upgrade battery and it was enough. Your 1100 mah might be just a bit too little. THIS is the one I had.

N3XO · April 15th, 2006, 14:43

Cortex, how many BB's you can run with your 1500 mah ?? You must chop your stock to put the battery isn't ? Coz the reason I choose the 1100 mah coz it can fit to the battery stock without chop anyhting. Do you use the systema relay switch also ? Well I'm a lil' concern is it fine to use PSG with 300% coz I saw in many forum that it will damage your mechbox in long term use, please tell me that they're wrong

odp · April 15th, 2006, 15:48

What's the AMP discharge rating on your battery pack? How about internal resistance?

Have you tried it with any other battery packs?

enzian · April 16th, 2006, 05:07

There can't be a problem with the battery I think...
I've heard of several people here in Swiss who are using a 9.6V battery in their PSGs.
And I had absolutely the same problem as you, only one difference: I'm using a 10.8V 1500mAh battery.

N3XO · April 16th, 2006, 10:12

Odp, I've check the battery, and it's fine. So the current must be an issue here. Enzian, how many BB rounds can throw for PSG with 1500 mah ? I guess I better get 200% spring, so I dont have to use a 'king-kong' battery and makes my PSG lots safer, what do you think guys ?

enzian · April 16th, 2006, 10:21

Puh... don't know. But enough for a long day if it is warm enough, means about 18 degrees (in celsius) and more. I bought 2 to go sure that I don't run out of energy. So if you buy a second 1100mAh you should have enough energy and you don't have to chop the stock.
The 200%-Spring's a good idea, the gearbox will live much more longer, especially the cut off lever.

N3XO · April 16th, 2006, 10:32

I'll try to find a larger battery capacity and 200% spring at this week.... Fiuh, me & my friends have spent many weeks for doing this PSG... Enz, How much fps you eject with 300% spring ? I'm oready install 650 mm prometheus 6.03 mm thight barrel for my PSG...

enzian · April 16th, 2006, 11:13

I ejected about 530fps with a 590mm KM barrel and bad shimmed gearbox.

odp · April 16th, 2006, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3XO

Cortex, how many BB's you can run with your 1500 mah ?? You must chop your stock to put the battery isn't ? Coz the reason I choose the 1100 mah coz it can fit to the battery stock without chop anyhting. Do you use the systema relay switch also ? Well I'm a lil' concern is it fine to use PSG with 300% coz I saw in many forum that it will damage your mechbox in long term use, please tell me that they're wrong

What are the exact cells in the battery? It might not be a problem/defect with the battery, but the cells might not be efficient enough. If they are Sanyo KR1100AAU AA cells, the discharge rate is like 10 amps, which definately won't be able to crank your spring.

My 8.4V 3000mah nimh (30 amp discharge rate) has no problems cranking my 200% spring. You don't need stupid amounts of cells anymore. You just need 7 or 8 good ones.

N3XO · April 26th, 2006, 13:28

odp, are you using PSG ? Why you're using Ni Mh and not Ni Cad ? Ni Cad are more explosive to give you more torque than Ni Mh...

Mantelope · April 26th, 2006, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3XO

odp, are you using PSG ? Why you're using Ni Mh and not Ni Cad ? Ni Cad are more explosive to give you more torque than Ni Mh...

You've got outdated information. New NiMH cells can outperform NiCad in nearly all situations.

odp · April 27th, 2006, 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by N3XO

odp, are you using PSG ? Why you're using Ni Mh and not Ni Cad ? Ni Cad are more explosive to give you more torque than Ni Mh...

Yes, I am using a PSG. And harleyb is right. Older NiMH cells suck. Newer ones have higher discharge rates and surpass Nicad cells easily.

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April 14th, 2006, 06:57	#1
N3XO Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Jakarta	Systema FTK-12 for PSG-1 Guys, my the prob is my FTK-12 is not working for my PSG after I install everything with Sanyo 10.8 V - 1100 mah battery. It seems the power doesnt have enough torque to press the 300% spring from FTK-12. But if I'm using PSG-1 standard spring, piston, etc, it cycles like normal.... So I'm confuse, whats really going on here. The only component from FTK-12 that I havent install is only the systema relay switch. May be you havse some explanation about this, which part do I miss.... Thanks a lot Rgdrs, Danny

April 15th, 2006, 14:23	#3
N3XO Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Jakarta	FTK-12 Enz, the gear timing is correct. I've done the number 14 correctly, I've check it again. The spring is moving with 10.8 v - 1100 mah battery, but only 80%, the spring not even reach the max... But when I change the spring with the standard PSG spring, it cycles perfectly, means the mechbox assembly is okay... I'm trying to find a large battery and let's see if it's work or not. If it still not working, I'll totally confuse. Anyway thanks for your reply buddy.... rgdrs, danny

April 15th, 2006, 14:32	#4
Cortexburn Miserable Bastard Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Red Deer, Alberta	I had the full tune up kit installed and had the 300% in and my 10.8v 1500 cranked if fine. I started to run into serious issues due to my lack of a charger that would handle a 10.8v....... I had the PSG-1 upgrade battery and it was enough. Your 1100 mah might be just a bit too little. THIS is the one I had. __________________ My Buy/Sell Rating. “We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.” Thomas Jefferson I hate Ghillie suits. Socialism SUCKS www.unisevil.com

April 14th, 2006, 09:20	#2
enzian Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Switzerland	Ok, first a picture from airsoftplayers.com: You've got two problems: 1) the gear-timing. You can see on number 14 how to adjust the sector gear. And 2) the electric device. You have to put the cut off lever when you slide on the device (number 18).

April 15th, 2006, 14:43	#5
N3XO Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Jakarta	Cortex, how many BB's you can run with your 1500 mah ?? You must chop your stock to put the battery isn't ? Coz the reason I choose the 1100 mah coz it can fit to the battery stock without chop anyhting. Do you use the systema relay switch also ? Well I'm a lil' concern is it fine to use PSG with 300% coz I saw in many forum that it will damage your mechbox in long term use, please tell me that they're wrong

April 15th, 2006, 15:48	#6
odp Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver	What's the AMP discharge rating on your battery pack? How about internal resistance? Have you tried it with any other battery packs?

April 16th, 2006, 05:07	#7
enzian Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Switzerland	There can't be a problem with the battery I think... I've heard of several people here in Swiss who are using a 9.6V battery in their PSGs. And I had absolutely the same problem as you, only one difference: I'm using a 10.8V 1500mAh battery.

April 16th, 2006, 10:12	#8
N3XO Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Jakarta	Odp, I've check the battery, and it's fine. So the current must be an issue here. Enzian, how many BB rounds can throw for PSG with 1500 mah ? I guess I better get 200% spring, so I dont have to use a 'king-kong' battery and makes my PSG lots safer, what do you think guys ?

April 16th, 2006, 10:21	#9
enzian Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Switzerland	Puh... don't know. But enough for a long day if it is warm enough, means about 18 degrees (in celsius) and more. I bought 2 to go sure that I don't run out of energy. So if you buy a second 1100mAh you should have enough energy and you don't have to chop the stock. The 200%-Spring's a good idea, the gearbox will live much more longer, especially the cut off lever.

April 16th, 2006, 10:32	#10
N3XO Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Jakarta	I'll try to find a larger battery capacity and 200% spring at this week.... Fiuh, me & my friends have spent many weeks for doing this PSG... Enz, How much fps you eject with 300% spring ? I'm oready install 650 mm prometheus 6.03 mm thight barrel for my PSG...

April 16th, 2006, 11:13	#11
enzian Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Switzerland	I ejected about 530fps with a 590mm KM barrel and bad shimmed gearbox.

April 26th, 2006, 13:28	#13
N3XO Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Jakarta	odp, are you using PSG ? Why you're using Ni Mh and not Ni Cad ? Ni Cad are more explosive to give you more torque than Ni Mh...

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