KSC USP compact color change?!

localfreerider · November 28th, 2005, 09:27

I was wondering, I've seen many photos of the KSC USP compact, but I've noticed that sometimes the shade of the frame is different. I would like to buy the USP and a shooters design slide, but the frames is darker in the photos with the silver slide compared to the matt black one.

Is there a version difference ie: one and two?

Could I specify upon purchase to get the darker frame?

I've read arnies review and I would like to know your guys pros and cons about the USP as well.

Gryphon · November 28th, 2005, 11:36

I would stay away from the USP Compact.

I bought one many months ago from Specarms and it quickly became my favorite pistol. It feels good in the hand, has snappy recoil, and was reliable. However, I ran it on propane.

This gun is NOT designed for propane. At all. Period. I destroyed the stock plastic slide after a couple of months. The slide catch notch broke, effectively doubling the length of the gap so that it would not lock open. The rear of the slide on the left side shattered in several places and would pop off the frame when you fired. I was fortunate enough to find a replacement slide cheap, and it's worked fine so far. Replacement plastic slides are $5.00 at UN Company, but that doesn't help you when your FRAME CRACKS.

Yeah, that's right. Seems to be a common issue with ALL USP Compacts using propane, in that the rear of the frame around the hammer will crack or break. It doesn't affect function but you'd think for $250+ you'd get a gun that would survive a bit of abuse. Slides and such blowing up, okay those are easy to find and replacable. Good luck finding a replacement frame short of buying a whole new gun. And all of this is beyond the lousy safety catch which wears out and becomes useless within the first dozen mags.

I used to wholeheartedly recommend this pistol but now I certainly can't. I suppose if you run it on duster it's a good option, but who does that anymore.

localfreerider · November 28th, 2005, 13:41

well, I would like to run it on duster! From what I've heard it is not designed for propane because of its harder kick. I've read the fps isn't great but for a plinker who cares?! Does Spec-Arms sell the Japanese version or Taiwanese one? Is there a big difference in quality control from Jap/Tia? Which Canadian retailer would you recommend?

Gryphon · November 28th, 2005, 13:59

Specarms is the one I bought mine from, no issues there. I asked Will about the type and he carries the Taiwanese version, which he says is identical to the Japanese version and he doubts there's any QC difference. Some say the Japanese are slightly better but who knows, they both come out of the same factory.

If plinking on duster is all you plan to do with it, then go for it. Nice little gun when it works. I can't answer the color difference question although I've heard the SD slide is fantastic and looks like the real deal.

localfreerider · November 28th, 2005, 16:57

I love the two tone, silver on black! But if you look on uncompanys custom gun section or even the photo gallery here, you can see a big difference in the shade of the frame. I want mine to be two toned and I don't want a gimpy grayish frame. I'm just throwing this idea out there, but wouldn't it be awsome if they made a compensator for the USP compact. Sort of like the USP match but shorter! Good idea or bad? I hope KSC makes a USP match!

snowman · November 29th, 2005, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.K.Shuridys

. The slide catch notch broke, effectively doubling the length of the gap so that it would not lock open. The rear of the slide on the left side shattered in several places and would pop off the frame when you fired. I was fortunate enough to find a replacement slide cheap, and it's worked fine so far.

Interesting - This damage is identical to two damaged ABS slide Mk23s I've bought and the same as the slide from a 3rd someone offered me...

Neither frame showed any damage, though.

Cheers.

localfreerider · November 30th, 2005, 06:28

Does anyone know what the specific differences are for the KSC USP Compact between the Japanese version compared to the Taiwanese one? Is it worth it to buy the Japanese one?

localfreerider · December 3rd, 2005, 08:08

Sorry for the newb question I asked above. I've found what I was looking for in respects to the JV/TV, but only after hours, and hours of reading.
I would like a two tone USP compact, but I've seen so many shade changes with the frames its confusing me! How come the two tone USP frame is darker than the matte-black one? Of is it just an optical illusion because of the slide? BTW I'd like to buy the shooters design metal silver metal slide, if that makes a difference?!

Raymondo · February 11th, 2006, 20:48

I think the difference in color is could be due to a few things:

The manufacturer
The model
The camera

My USP Compact is of the KSC variety (I think theres another company that makes a compact, right?)

KSC has sold two versions of the USP Compact, the Taiwan version, and the Japanese version. The Taiwan version has cheaper plastic. If you can afford to, the Japanese version is superior and should be purchased instead.

The colors of the frame and slide can be confusing, I'd agree. The differences with regards to slides probably have to do with the fact that a lot of the USP compacts being sold come *with* a metal slide. Rather than the stock plastic slide sold by KSC. My KSC USP compact frame and slide (when it was stock) is what I'd call a matte black in color.

I have a chrome slide now though, and after taking pictures of it (can be viewed here on ASC), the frames color looks different. Its just a camera thing.

I wouldn't doubt that you could see the difference in the plastic between the Taiwanese and Japanese versions though.

As for using propane with the gun, I experienced no problems using coleman propane while running totally stock, but you will see your slide, and slide catch degrade very quickly. The gun shouldn't be used with propane without the proper conversions. A cracking frame doesn't suprise me, but could have been a result of a bad product just as easily as a "crappy design" while running stock on propane. The frame could have had an air bubble inside, causing it to weaken and crack as a result of the increased trauma that propane will put on a gun.

My KSC USP Compact is running high flow valves, a tight and extra long inner barrel, upgraded slide (chrome), upgraded recoil spring, and an upgraded hammer spring. I've had 0 problems so far running propane, and this is in both hot and cold weather (1600+ rounds)

The gun requires frequent lubrication in order to run correctly.

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November 28th, 2005, 09:27	#1
localfreerider willing to perform services in a dark alley that may or may not leave you satisfied for a title. GFE = 1, looks = 2, BBFS for an extra $50. Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Never gonna let you down	KSC USP compact color change?! I was wondering, I've seen many photos of the KSC USP compact, but I've noticed that sometimes the shade of the frame is different. I would like to buy the USP and a shooters design slide, but the frames is darker in the photos with the silver slide compared to the matt black one. Is there a version difference ie: one and two? Could I specify upon purchase to get the darker frame? I've read arnies review and I would like to know your guys pros and cons about the USP as well.

February 11th, 2006, 20:48	#9
Raymondo Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Calgary Alberta	I think the difference in color is could be due to a few things: The manufacturer The model The camera My USP Compact is of the KSC variety (I think theres another company that makes a compact, right?) KSC has sold two versions of the USP Compact, the Taiwan version, and the Japanese version. The Taiwan version has cheaper plastic. If you can afford to, the Japanese version is superior and should be purchased instead. The colors of the frame and slide can be confusing, I'd agree. The differences with regards to slides probably have to do with the fact that a lot of the USP compacts being sold come with a metal slide. Rather than the stock plastic slide sold by KSC. My KSC USP compact frame and slide (when it was stock) is what I'd call a matte black in color. I have a chrome slide now though, and after taking pictures of it (can be viewed here on ASC), the frames color looks different. Its just a camera thing. I wouldn't doubt that you could see the difference in the plastic between the Taiwanese and Japanese versions though. As for using propane with the gun, I experienced no problems using coleman propane while running totally stock, but you will see your slide, and slide catch degrade very quickly. The gun shouldn't be used with propane without the proper conversions. A cracking frame doesn't suprise me, but could have been a result of a bad product just as easily as a "crappy design" while running stock on propane. The frame could have had an air bubble inside, causing it to weaken and crack as a result of the increased trauma that propane will put on a gun. My KSC USP Compact is running high flow valves, a tight and extra long inner barrel, upgraded slide (chrome), upgraded recoil spring, and an upgraded hammer spring. I've had 0 problems so far running propane, and this is in both hot and cold weather (1600+ rounds) The gun requires frequent lubrication in order to run correctly.

November 28th, 2005, 11:36	#2
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	I would stay away from the USP Compact. I bought one many months ago from Specarms and it quickly became my favorite pistol. It feels good in the hand, has snappy recoil, and was reliable. However, I ran it on propane. This gun is NOT designed for propane. At all. Period. I destroyed the stock plastic slide after a couple of months. The slide catch notch broke, effectively doubling the length of the gap so that it would not lock open. The rear of the slide on the left side shattered in several places and would pop off the frame when you fired. I was fortunate enough to find a replacement slide cheap, and it's worked fine so far. Replacement plastic slides are $5.00 at UN Company, but that doesn't help you when your FRAME CRACKS. Yeah, that's right. Seems to be a common issue with ALL USP Compacts using propane, in that the rear of the frame around the hammer will crack or break. It doesn't affect function but you'd think for $250+ you'd get a gun that would survive a bit of abuse. Slides and such blowing up, okay those are easy to find and replacable. Good luck finding a replacement frame short of buying a whole new gun. And all of this is beyond the lousy safety catch which wears out and becomes useless within the first dozen mags. I used to wholeheartedly recommend this pistol but now I certainly can't. I suppose if you run it on duster it's a good option, but who does that anymore.

November 28th, 2005, 13:41	#3
localfreerider willing to perform services in a dark alley that may or may not leave you satisfied for a title. GFE = 1, looks = 2, BBFS for an extra $50. Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Never gonna let you down	well, I would like to run it on duster! From what I've heard it is not designed for propane because of its harder kick. I've read the fps isn't great but for a plinker who cares?! Does Spec-Arms sell the Japanese version or Taiwanese one? Is there a big difference in quality control from Jap/Tia? Which Canadian retailer would you recommend?

November 28th, 2005, 13:59	#4
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	Specarms is the one I bought mine from, no issues there. I asked Will about the type and he carries the Taiwanese version, which he says is identical to the Japanese version and he doubts there's any QC difference. Some say the Japanese are slightly better but who knows, they both come out of the same factory. If plinking on duster is all you plan to do with it, then go for it. Nice little gun when it works. I can't answer the color difference question although I've heard the SD slide is fantastic and looks like the real deal.

November 28th, 2005, 16:57	#5
localfreerider willing to perform services in a dark alley that may or may not leave you satisfied for a title. GFE = 1, looks = 2, BBFS for an extra $50. Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Never gonna let you down	I love the two tone, silver on black! But if you look on uncompanys custom gun section or even the photo gallery here, you can see a big difference in the shade of the frame. I want mine to be two toned and I don't want a gimpy grayish frame. I'm just throwing this idea out there, but wouldn't it be awsome if they made a compensator for the USP compact. Sort of like the USP match but shorter! Good idea or bad? I hope KSC makes a USP match!

November 30th, 2005, 06:28	#7
localfreerider willing to perform services in a dark alley that may or may not leave you satisfied for a title. GFE = 1, looks = 2, BBFS for an extra $50. Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Never gonna let you down	Does anyone know what the specific differences are for the KSC USP Compact between the Japanese version compared to the Taiwanese one? Is it worth it to buy the Japanese one?

December 3rd, 2005, 08:08	#8
localfreerider willing to perform services in a dark alley that may or may not leave you satisfied for a title. GFE = 1, looks = 2, BBFS for an extra $50. Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Never gonna let you down	Sorry for the newb question I asked above. I've found what I was looking for in respects to the JV/TV, but only after hours, and hours of reading. I would like a two tone USP compact, but I've seen so many shade changes with the frames its confusing me! How come the two tone USP frame is darker than the matte-black one? Of is it just an optical illusion because of the slide? BTW I'd like to buy the shooters design metal silver metal slide, if that makes a difference?!

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