please help with my G&G TR15 Raider-XL DST

[scubagoods]

i want to make my gun shot harder, i think i need to upgrade my spring and motor, i bought this gun used so i don't know whats in it now, please suggest what i need to do??????????????

[Doombringer]

Why do you want to increase your gun velocity? What is your planned goal with the upgrade?

[scubagoods]

well i want it to shot upwards to 400 to 450 kinda like a dmr and a sniper. I want to be able to get distance and straight, im thinking of putting a barrel and a mock silencer just so i can make it longer

[Danke]

That's a good idea.

I would add some more letter to the name,

[Doombringer]

Invest in a good barrel and a good hop-up + rubber.

Higher fps != better accuracy.

A stock Tokyo Marui, which shoots around 280 fps is extremely accurate compared to most other brands. Why? Good hop-up.

About 80% (made up statistics) of your accuracy comes from your hop up.

[scubagoods]

whats a god hop up for G&G? are they universal ? and don't i need a spring to push the bb forward faster to get distance

[Hectic]

agreed, the majoraty (80% if you will) of your range and accuracy comes from a good hop up, a consistant bore in your barrel (ie a good quality barrel)
and good quality heavy weight bb's .28-.32 depending on the base velocity (with .20
most guns with a 363mm inner (an m4) shoot just as far and accurate as a 509mm (an m16) granted they have the same inner barrel quality and the same hop up and simaler fps say 320-400
you would use .28 with a 320-360 fps and above that fps youd use .30

most places wont let you play with an aeg above 400 fps so goimg above that is pointless.
400 is max for outdoor in most places but thatvisnt a goal to hit 400 its a limit most folks will run 350-380ish and guys with stock tm guns shooting less then 300 will have just about the same range and way more accuracy then guys running stock cheap guns shooting 350-400 say cyma jg and the like, dont get me wrong a few small upgrades and tweaks will make those cheaper guns just as accurate but all things stock is what im comparing.

why do you want to upgrade your gun? Is it performing badly? What is the fps now? Is it the stock barrel and hop up?
are you judging how well it shoots compared to what?
are you complaining about it and have only used it in the cold?(the cold will make the best of guns shoot poorly do to changes in the rubber stiffness and changes in how the cold air acts in the compression process)
answer theese questions and we can help u more, that said a good hop up and good inner barrel along with good heavy bbs should improve your range and accuracy, as long as your goals are realistic

[Hectic]

Originally Posted by scubagoods

whats a god hop up for G&G? are they universal ? and don't i need a spring to push the bb forward faster to get distance

velocity doesnt have a huge effect on range, (what is the fps of the gun now? Of course if its shooting 200 fps it needs to be fixed but if its shooting 300-400 it shouldnt need more velocity )
u (may) need a hop up rubber and an inner barrel and heavyer bbs

[Doombringer]

Also, if you ever plan on playing any indoor game, the norm is 350 fps MAX. You will not be able to play indoors if it's over 350.

One thing about high velocity is vegetation penetration. If you play in a forested area, shooting through leaves and bushes won't be affected as much if you have a higher velocity and heavier BBs.

[scubagoods]

ill say its shooting low, and not very accurate at all, it is stock G&G barrel and hop up, and i do use it outside, i want it more to be sniper rifle kinda gun. i know it will not pass indoors. and yes it is cold but even in the summer it was weak, and not very strong. there are guys that i play with that are hitting me from so far away and my gun can't even get close. I got shot from an MP5 and i couldnt even get my M4 that far

[Hectic]

without knowing the fps its hard to say "its shooting slow/weak"
again a good hop up and barrel along with a good bb .28 or so will make your gun shoot far and accurate regardless of its shooting 300 or 400.
and for the most part you wont turn an aeg into a "sniper gun"
aegs have way more variabels then a bolt action.
lets compare a tm vsr10 to a tm m16, the m16 has a gearbox, the gear box has multiple points to leak air between the cylender and the gearbox, the cylender and the cylender head the cylender head and the loading nozzle the loading nozle and the hop up unit (the hop up has a spring that pushes it against the nozzle and the nozzle moves back n forth so thats actually two variables) and the hop rubber and the barrel im sure i missed something.
the vsr has a great hop up unit that is verry unlikely to leak, its only two peices sandwiched together over the barrel and hop up rubber and creates a good seal. The cylender and cylender head screw together with a bunch of threads and an oring to seal it up good and most will ad some teflon tape asan added measure, also the cylender head is the loading nozzle all one peice so no leaky the nozzle/cylender head pushes the bb way into tue hop y up unit and creates a good seal and once its pushed forward and the bolt handle is pushed down the whole system is locked together there is little to no chance for air leak.
tha said the vsr has a much shorter barrel then the m16 but a much more consisant shot to shot velocity and way beter hop up thus the vsr can and does shoot much further and more accurate, id say almost double the effective range of an aeg, even one with a way longer barrel.
even the biggest badest upgraded aegs cant compete with the smallest baddest bolt actions (badest being upgraded big n small being barrel length) a full upgraded m14 or m16 with a rhop and good hop up unit (say lonex) shooting 400fps on .20 running .30 bbs wont shoot as far as a vsr10 gspec with a full laylax or pdi build shooting 500fps on .20 running .40 or .43 bbs
yes the bolt action has an extra 100fps (this is quite normal for snipers we take courses so we are trusted with the higher fps) the only reason we want/need the extra fps is so we can run heaver bbs, if we wer to run a .20 or .25 bb at those velocities they would randomly fly all over the place because over a certian point a projectile becomes unstable and cant fly straight.
also we want to use heavyer bbs because they will hold onto energy longer.
example a .20 bb fired at 1.5 joules will have only .4 at around 55ft but a .25 from the same gun will have .5 or more at the same distance, the heavyer the bb the more energy it will retain (fyi 1.49 joules is 400fps)
on top of that a .20 gram bb will decelerate faster and at about 55-60 feet the .30 bb will actually be traveling faster then the .20 by 5-10fps.

again we need to know, what is your gun firing, what kind of range does it have, how far do you think it should shoot or how far do you want it to shoot?

ill give you an example, a player whom i have played with often always seems to shoot farther and more accurately then anyone else we play wil, this past sunday he was using his back up gun cause his main gun was busted (main gun is a full length akm his back up is a stubby ak) yet still with this stuby gun he has crazy range and accuracy me and another player wer talking with him and i had to ask(cause im building an ak) what are you running for hop up inner barel and bbs.
hes runnin the stock barrel the stock hop up shooting 380ish and using .30.
baisically the only variable is his 8 or more years and hundreds of thousands of rounds of experiance that allow him to push the bbs to their outter limits with ease and accuracy no matter what gun he is using.

bottom line is your not really gonna get much more then 120-140 feet out of any aeg with .20 bb, with a .30 maybe the beter part of 220 feet, regardless of lenght or bore of barrel as long as its a consistant bore and the hop up works well.
a well tuned sniper rifle running.40 or .43 bbs will be able to hit targets out to 300feet and beyond with the right shooter behind it.

so what are your goals and what performance do you have now, its the only way to know if your gun is performing and if you can obtain your goals

[Hectic]

pardon my blabing i get a lil carried away sometimes

[Doombringer]

Did you even read our recommendations? Get a good barrel + hop up unit. Way better upgrade than just upgrading your spring to get a higher velocity.

But whatever, get a tighter spring if you want. But you'll only get a gun that shoots all over the place, just stronger.

[Forever_kaos]

What bb's are you using? For out doors, you should be using no less than quality .25's. Ideally .28 or .3's are your best bet.

As for hopup guts, I would get the Lonex unit combined with a PDI W hold rubber;
http://www.airsoftstore.ca/
That's just me though. All M4/M16's are the same, except for PTW and GBBR's.

Throw in a tight bore if you want and go to town.

[scubagoods]

i did my upgrade and im also shopping for a good hop up to. The gun shoots great now and very accurate and got more head shots then every. thank you all for your help and thoughts. i did listen to what u have to say and i appreciate all your ideas. thanks

now on to the next question.... tracer unit or i have heard of a hop-up tracer all in one or tracer mags

anyone heard or have seen or installed it, kinda curious if its a good idea, i have multiple guns but i have a G&G CQB-s that has a mock silencer barrel already attached to the gun, wondering if the hop-up idea would be a good idea, it is a top tech so its a great gun and no problems

please comment as im curious