[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

No, what I am saying is I can't even get to a stage where I can review the credentials of those who've conducted the study to even establish if its worth proceeding with trying to duplicate their testing. In fact I don't even want to both reproduce their testing, I just want disclosure on who Levante Labs is, who their people are, what are their credentials, do they have a relationship with BioVAL (business/personal or are they the same people).

If they came back with this information and it showed BioVAL paid a flat fee to an independent lab and didn't dictate any of the testing and the lab releases the document outside of the control of the funder of the study, then I would say there is enough independence that the document isn't just a marketing shill - but I can't even do that. And if this is the case, then why don't they just disclose all that in order to address people's concerns regarding the independence of this Levante Lab? If they are up and up with it, I can't see it harming them, and in fact it would bolster their position.

The fact that this information is not readily available makes the pedigree of the document highly suspect. Fundamentally, if you have nothing to hide, show us your cards. The fact that the aren't I think speaks volumes.

We are starting to duplicate the arguments at arnies.

The credentials are irrelevant IMO, You can independently test the BBBmax under the same conditions that the lab did, I have shot these at everything aside from soft tissue comparison. The BBBmax perform as users describe.

Is it relevant if Levante Labs is just a giant marketing and sales ploy? Get yourself some BBBmax and shoot them, and duplicate the testing methodology.

I started at the same point you did when I did my BBBmax research (in regards to Levante Labs credentials), and I as I wrote in the PM to you earlier. I decided to just buy the damn things and shoot them and test them myself.

I am more curious as to what and how they are made, if anything just to shut people up. And again like i stated, unless they are 100% BTEX (which I doubt) I will use them were the field and conditions permit.

These could also be made of Clear Dupont polymer. or as stated in page 1, a combination of materials that net the BB. I still think the secret is in the manufacturing process.

For those who havent shot these BB's they are very smooth but not slick. If you are one of those people who wash their BB's doing so with the BBBmax will not change the performance of the BB, their is no fine graphite or powder on these BBs. When you rub them against each other their is quite a bit of friction.

Originally Posted by amoki

Another case in point: http://www.google.com/patents?id=_OqkAAAAEBAJ&dq , where you have a biodegradable resin composite at 250C.

Very Interesting. I will have to follow this.

[quote=scarecrow]Thats what came to my mind, but that would be some wicked chemistry to get the melting point up from around 300 degrees to over 500. Lexan starts getting soft at 150 (I know that from putting an axe through it during a fire). Hit lexan hard enough and it shatters jagged, similar to the pictures posted. Thats all anecdotal though, I'm not claiming and scientific knowledge on the matter.[quote]

Does lexan turn back into a powder when shattered? Aside from the posted BB i shattered yesterday my other shattered BBBmax are mostly powder, or small flakes (nearly 2 dimensional)