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Clubs can turn away whoever they want.
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Fair enough, but last time I checked wasn't this called prejudice? And please don't argue that the law says it's diferent because 50-100 years ago there were many laws that excluded women and many ethnic groups. It's still prejudiced!
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As Greylocks pointed out, most of this stuff is on private property, and they can turn away whoever they want. Even fields that double as airsoft fields, since they are primarly lazer/paint, airsoft is extra and un-official, and can turn down whoever they want. And realistically, the community rules dont want minors, and can turn them away for just that reason.
You cant pull your descrimination card anymore then a 6 year old can when he wants to get a real rifle.
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Obiously, you havent been to many games yet. There is no guy behind the desk of the venue. Airsoft clubs are for the most part, played on private property. Most well-established fields are on someones back property. Most owners play. Its their land, plain and simple. They do care. And if you have a well-established players group who doesnt want minors, then typically its in the owners best intrest to keep his regulars happy.
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And I'm really trying not to, but I can't help but take at least some offense to this. The place where we play here (for indoor) doubles as a lasertag place before 6:00pm so yes there is a "guy behind the desk". And for outdoor it's usually paintball places so once again there is a "guy behind the desk"
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again, since those places are lazer/paint places, they run airsoft in after-hours when it would normally be closed. Its those places that should be MOST concerned with the age limits.
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We do everything we can to encourage proper behaviour. The rules are here. But if a minor doesnt like the rules and side-steps them, thats their fault. We didnt encouage that.
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If I tell nizfiz here not to play airsoft untill hes of-age, im not encouraging him "do it anyways" if he doesnt want to do what we recommend, and decides to go out and do it anyways, then thats his fault, not mine. Im not forcing him to act stupidly. saying its ok to act stupidly simple because he cant play at our field is retarded.
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It's never ok to do stupid things and I know that no one here would ever want that, including myself. you are however forcing him into a choice! One that most kids will choose the option we don't want them to.
I want to get across here I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about letting kids play. Just please think about what effect that may have on whether or not a kid will find his own way of using his gun. A lot of us tend to turn a blind eye towards a kid after we tell him he can't play, or can't buy a gun. Yet we're the first to be up in arms when one of us reads an article about the police catching some kids playing in a park or something like that.
Even if we aren't part of the problem, so far we aren't part of the solution either.
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Our rules and attitudes are here to make people be responsible. We are not forcing anyone to act stupidly.
What it seems like you keep saying is that if we dont let minors play, they will be stupid so we should change the rules to accomidate for their idiocy.
No dude, no way
We are not going to change the rules because they "will do it anyways"
This whole process weeds out the morons.
If a minor side-steps our rules, fine, not our problem. It just garentees that they will miss out on the best thing about airsoft. Guns are nice, but the games are what makes this thing the best. Look at the videos from any of our major operations. you cant compare it to anything you'll do in your backyard. you mess with the rules, you wont be a part in these things.
And about the offence, it doesnt matter. This is the ways things are. I was a huge advocate for minors in the past, greylocks and I would fight to the death over minors, but really, the rules are the rules. It took years to come up with them and they are in the best intrests of airsoft. We dont care about hurt feeling or stupid minors, this is all about what is bets for airsoft in Canada.