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m102404 · April 28th, 2011, 08:55

The external finish of the VFC M4's is very, very nice. The mechboxes depend on what "line" you're getting from what retailer. The original batches that landed here were the "sportline" mechboxes. Basically entry grade, but decent, internal parts. As you probably know...internals are easy to get, and cheaper to replace vs. externals.

If this one is one of the ones with their "bolt release"...it's much like the KA fake bolt release where the "bolt" is just a little tin plate that snaps forward when you push the bolt release button. Kind of neat, but after a dozen tries you'll probably tire of using it.

I'm of mixed opinion on the KWA rifles. They are well built external/internal. They cycle well...and shoot well.

However, there were (don't know if it's still this way) issues that from the factory they were not loctite'ing the aluminum piston head. It would separate from the piston and wreak all sorts of havok on the internals.

Also...while there are pros and cons to this...they use a 2 piece hopup system (a la TM M4). Over the years I've seen lots and lots of broken TM upper hopups (mostly from guys closing the rifle up improperly, but also a couple of times from when guys blew the front of their mechboxes). Guarder makes a TM replacement....but IMO it doesn't seal well at all. The KWA nozzle has a rib along the top to guide/align it with their upper hopup (which the TM one doesn't). Good idea or not, it makes the options for getting replacement pieces limited (typically you can just order them direct from KWA though).

And...don't know if this has changed....the KWA asthetics have always been so-so. The receiver/etc looks almost painted black...somewhat glossy black. It may not be...just looks that way. That's a personal preference sort of thing.

So...if I had to pick between the two...I would take the VFC. Nice externals, decent build...doing up the internals is easy and quick (I'd just buy a drop in G&P or KA mechbox). Standard internals/externals to work with.

April 28th, 2011, 08:55	#4
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	The external finish of the VFC M4's is very, very nice. The mechboxes depend on what "line" you're getting from what retailer. The original batches that landed here were the "sportline" mechboxes. Basically entry grade, but decent, internal parts. As you probably know...internals are easy to get, and cheaper to replace vs. externals. If this one is one of the ones with their "bolt release"...it's much like the KA fake bolt release where the "bolt" is just a little tin plate that snaps forward when you push the bolt release button. Kind of neat, but after a dozen tries you'll probably tire of using it. I'm of mixed opinion on the KWA rifles. They are well built external/internal. They cycle well...and shoot well. However, there were (don't know if it's still this way) issues that from the factory they were not loctite'ing the aluminum piston head. It would separate from the piston and wreak all sorts of havok on the internals. Also...while there are pros and cons to this...they use a 2 piece hopup system (a la TM M4). Over the years I've seen lots and lots of broken TM upper hopups (mostly from guys closing the rifle up improperly, but also a couple of times from when guys blew the front of their mechboxes). Guarder makes a TM replacement....but IMO it doesn't seal well at all. The KWA nozzle has a rib along the top to guide/align it with their upper hopup (which the TM one doesn't). Good idea or not, it makes the options for getting replacement pieces limited (typically you can just order them direct from KWA though). And...don't know if this has changed....the KWA asthetics have always been so-so. The receiver/etc looks almost painted black...somewhat glossy black. It may not be...just looks that way. That's a personal preference sort of thing. So...if I had to pick between the two...I would take the VFC. Nice externals, decent build...doing up the internals is easy and quick (I'd just buy a drop in G&P or KA mechbox). Standard internals/externals to work with.