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Exo22 · May 19th, 2010, 22:37

I'm new to this site and even live in the US but from all my research on p90's this site has been the most insightful on the styles of P90's and i have read the Elitest thread about what is and isn't an elitest from kalren so i hope i can be given some breathing room.

P90's are my favorite style of gun and i'm extremely interested in buying one.
I am buying it for use in airsoft events and not as a wall hanger(as i've seen the e90 somewhat described as) just to make that clear.

The price ranges i have seen for p90's on US sites for the tm p90 are $260-320

The price ranges i have seen for the echo 1 E90 are $155-175

As i have read and clearly understand is that most guns can be upgraded regardless of the cost to become competitive guns. So what it comes down to between the E90 and Tm P90 is what gearbox are you buying the outsides are cosmetic and are purely the IMO* of the people who own them. I could care less about the trades and the metal upper if the gun doesn't work after 2,000 rounds on the E90 as i have sometimes read(lemon or not that is still a reflection on the QC of Echo 1 as a whole).

I have done literally 30 hours of research of reading reviews and watching you tube reviews and just staring and the pictures of each on sites. The main questions I wish answered that are beside the point of which gun should I get are labeled as Q#1-X I hope these can be answered.

I'm not even going to consider the CA90 (this is not a reflection of my thoughts of CA as a company) i am somewhat of a noob which is why i seeking advice on such a noble group of forum subscribers as such on this site) i have bought two guns before in my airsoft career both which have failed me from nameless manufactures but i achieved what i sought from them, a love for airsoft. I Regret the purchases to be sure, and wish i would've just bought a high end gun from the get go but i was successful in my goals nonetheless. Now i'm looking for an airsoft gun in which i have a deep love for in style and a need for a well performing rifle in which others will see my choice of gun as respectable. MY price range is below 400 saving money an objective but not the goal adding a smart charger seems important, something that I do not have. I am using it mainly for woodsball and so I am looking into getting a barrel extension, medium length just enough to make it m4 barrel size, a tight bore barrel, a laser, a flashlight, and an optic for the top rail.

Back to the comparison I hope I have expressed my goals for the next purchase accurately.
First the negatives, since they are really what separate one gun from another and are what any quality reviewer looks for. Both guns are reviewed as Stock. I have never owned either but I have shot the Tm P90
Negatives TM P90(there are significantly less for the TM naturally and less important than the faults of the E90)
First off the TM clearly costs more
One Mag
shoots softer
plastic upper receiver Q#1 It is in my interest to by a metal upper, it is a cosmetic discrepancy but important to me but the question is that is the E90 metal upper worth the $50-85
Non metal 7mm bushings(the E90 has but is this important?Q#2)
Positives Tm P90
The QC of TM outstanding
The most longevity out of the two clearly from what I have read
Correct Trades
Something that people may not know, the TM P90 is a very quiet gun it is like a short breath the gun takes every time a BB is fired compared to the violent sneeze and cough of the E90
Couldn’t decide what category to put this in.
The TM doesn’t come with a battery or charger which could be a good or bad thing because if it is necessary to buy a new battery Q#3 should i? Budget? Do I need a butt stock extension
Now for the E90
Negatives
The QC of what I have of Echo 1 is very conflicting 2,000 rounds and no more semi is not what I want to buy and even the chance of getting one that does that is disgusting.
The lube inside of the gearbox is a bit much
The Shimming is the main concern, not very well from what I have read.
Positves
Shoots harder
Metal upper receiver costs less, not that I am pinching pennies but this allows for more room for upgrades.
Two mags
Battery included
To be fair to the E90 the stress placed on the gearbox may be due to the facts that it does shoot so much harder and the sound from the metal piston head during firing.
So in conclusion here are the main questions I pose form this post
Is the money saved from buying the E90 enough so that the gun can be upgraded to the level of quality and LONGEVITY of the Tm P90. But since as I stated before these guns are very very similar besides the differences in the pros and cons, so it comes down to what gearbox are you buying from what company.
Is the E90 a good or bad quality gun? I read form Kalren ( extremely sorry if spelled name wrong) that his Jg/Echo P90 was his little gem and I want to belive him but from what I have read I feel like I am leaning towards buying the TM in coordination to the vote total I saw on the other review on this site for the CA, TM and E90. But why pay more if the Echo1 can beat the TM out with upgrades for the same or under price. So does the Semi auto fault of the E90 come into play often? Is the poor shimming going to tear up the gearbox?
I wish to have a companion P90 for life, not a gun that will die on me and costing double in the long run when I buy another. I am also looking to increase the FPS of the TM If I buy it, what will I need to buy? Motor?
TM or E90? I appreciate all replies on this thread Thank you for reading.

May 19th, 2010, 22:37	#1
Exo22 Trader rating Join Date: May 2010	THe Final discussion...P90 TM v E90 I'm new to this site and even live in the US but from all my research on p90's this site has been the most insightful on the styles of P90's and i have read the Elitest thread about what is and isn't an elitest from kalren so i hope i can be given some breathing room. P90's are my favorite style of gun and i'm extremely interested in buying one. I am buying it for use in airsoft events and not as a wall hanger(as i've seen the e90 somewhat described as) just to make that clear. The price ranges i have seen for p90's on US sites for the tm p90 are $260-320 The price ranges i have seen for the echo 1 E90 are $155-175 As i have read and clearly understand is that most guns can be upgraded regardless of the cost to become competitive guns. So what it comes down to between the E90 and Tm P90 is what gearbox are you buying the outsides are cosmetic and are purely the IMO* of the people who own them. I could care less about the trades and the metal upper if the gun doesn't work after 2,000 rounds on the E90 as i have sometimes read(lemon or not that is still a reflection on the QC of Echo 1 as a whole). I have done literally 30 hours of research of reading reviews and watching you tube reviews and just staring and the pictures of each on sites. The main questions I wish answered that are beside the point of which gun should I get are labeled as Q#1-X I hope these can be answered. I'm not even going to consider the CA90 (this is not a reflection of my thoughts of CA as a company) i am somewhat of a noob which is why i seeking advice on such a noble group of forum subscribers as such on this site) i have bought two guns before in my airsoft career both which have failed me from nameless manufactures but i achieved what i sought from them, a love for airsoft. I Regret the purchases to be sure, and wish i would've just bought a high end gun from the get go but i was successful in my goals nonetheless. Now i'm looking for an airsoft gun in which i have a deep love for in style and a need for a well performing rifle in which others will see my choice of gun as respectable. MY price range is below 400 saving money an objective but not the goal adding a smart charger seems important, something that I do not have. I am using it mainly for woodsball and so I am looking into getting a barrel extension, medium length just enough to make it m4 barrel size, a tight bore barrel, a laser, a flashlight, and an optic for the top rail. Back to the comparison I hope I have expressed my goals for the next purchase accurately. First the negatives, since they are really what separate one gun from another and are what any quality reviewer looks for. Both guns are reviewed as Stock. I have never owned either but I have shot the Tm P90 Negatives TM P90(there are significantly less for the TM naturally and less important than the faults of the E90) First off the TM clearly costs more One Mag shoots softer plastic upper receiver Q#1 It is in my interest to by a metal upper, it is a cosmetic discrepancy but important to me but the question is that is the E90 metal upper worth the $50-85 Non metal 7mm bushings(the E90 has but is this important?Q#2) Positives Tm P90 The QC of TM outstanding The most longevity out of the two clearly from what I have read Correct Trades Something that people may not know, the TM P90 is a very quiet gun it is like a short breath the gun takes every time a BB is fired compared to the violent sneeze and cough of the E90 Couldn’t decide what category to put this in. The TM doesn’t come with a battery or charger which could be a good or bad thing because if it is necessary to buy a new battery Q#3 should i? Budget? Do I need a butt stock extension Now for the E90 Negatives The QC of what I have of Echo 1 is very conflicting 2,000 rounds and no more semi is not what I want to buy and even the chance of getting one that does that is disgusting. The lube inside of the gearbox is a bit much The Shimming is the main concern, not very well from what I have read. Positves Shoots harder Metal upper receiver costs less, not that I am pinching pennies but this allows for more room for upgrades. Two mags Battery included To be fair to the E90 the stress placed on the gearbox may be due to the facts that it does shoot so much harder and the sound from the metal piston head during firing. So in conclusion here are the main questions I pose form this post Is the money saved from buying the E90 enough so that the gun can be upgraded to the level of quality and LONGEVITY of the Tm P90. But since as I stated before these guns are very very similar besides the differences in the pros and cons, so it comes down to what gearbox are you buying from what company. Is the E90 a good or bad quality gun? I read form Kalren ( extremely sorry if spelled name wrong) that his Jg/Echo P90 was his little gem and I want to belive him but from what I have read I feel like I am leaning towards buying the TM in coordination to the vote total I saw on the other review on this site for the CA, TM and E90. But why pay more if the Echo1 can beat the TM out with upgrades for the same or under price. So does the Semi auto fault of the E90 come into play often? Is the poor shimming going to tear up the gearbox? I wish to have a companion P90 for life, not a gun that will die on me and costing double in the long run when I buy another. I am also looking to increase the FPS of the TM If I buy it, what will I need to buy? Motor? TM or E90? I appreciate all replies on this thread Thank you for reading.