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TM-M4A1 August 14th, 2012 00:11

why low fps on full auto?
 
modified the gun to a high ROF setting at approx. 40 rnd/s. it shoots good at semi at a very steady fps around 400fps. however, when shooting full auto, the fps drops to below 300 fps.

plz advice what could cause this issue? and what problem should i look into. thanks very much in advance!

Styrak August 14th, 2012 00:24

And you confirmed this with a chrony that can measure FPS of full auto fire?

TM-M4A1 August 14th, 2012 00:38

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Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 1691536)
And you confirmed this with a chrony that can measure FPS of full auto fire?

yes sir...

Andre_1999 August 14th, 2012 01:49

Airleak might cause the problem

slink182 August 14th, 2012 07:10

Just a guess, but is your high-RoF setup possibly short-stroking the piston?

Stealth August 14th, 2012 07:51

What gun? On some platforms, the high ROF will not allow sufficient time for the tappet plate to push forwards to create a good airseal before beginning the next cycle.

ThunderCactus August 14th, 2012 15:12

^ that
Some aftermarket tappet plates also fit like crap and are too tight.
Also, your tappet plate my be too flexible
A more rigid tappet would be best for high speed application

Are you having any feeding issues?

TM-M4A1 August 14th, 2012 21:55

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Originally Posted by Andre_1999 (Post 1691548)
Airleak might cause the problem

if it's airleak, the gun should have low fps on semi either.

TM-M4A1 August 14th, 2012 21:56

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Originally Posted by slink182 (Post 1691570)
Just a guess, but is your high-RoF setup possibly short-stroking the piston?

nope, no modification to the piston.

TM-M4A1 August 14th, 2012 22:04

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Originally Posted by Stealth (Post 1691576)
What gun? On some platforms, the high ROF will not allow sufficient time for the tappet plate to push forwards to create a good airseal before beginning the next cycle.

it's a AK74U, V3 gearbox. the gun was at high ROF and had no issue before i replaced the bushings lately.

enemybrit August 14th, 2012 22:04

Modify your tappet return spring to make it stronger. Also, loom where your tappet rides to make sure there are no obstructions causing it to slow its return time.

TM-M4A1 August 14th, 2012 22:14

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1691773)
^ that
Some aftermarket tappet plates also fit like crap and are too tight.
Also, your tappet plate my be too flexible
A more rigid tappet would be best for high speed application

Are you having any feeding issues?

i have no feeding issues. the thing is the gun was modified to high ROF at 45rnd/s previously and had no issues at all. somehow, the bushing cracked during the last game, after i replaced the bushing and upgraded the spring to m110, with other parts remained the same set up, the mentioned problem came up... eh...this is really frustrated!

ArcticFox1984 August 14th, 2012 22:28

Tappet plate is a good place to start, but since it hasn't been mentioned.

Barrel length vs Cylinder type is an issue where unported cylinder heads are concerned, the suction action of the compression assembly can rapidly reduce the pressure in the barrel leading to a moment of suction and extreme turbulence while the BB is traveling down the barrel.

Ensure your using a ported cylinder head and that the ports are unobstructed by grease, check the oring on your cylinder head and ensure that it has room to move forward and back allowing clearance for air flow... if its swollen and cant move it cant function properly.

Styrak August 14th, 2012 22:41

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Originally Posted by DustMagnet (Post 1692012)
Ok, you did two things - replaced the bushing and put in a stiffer spring.

If you put in a stiffer spring, wouldn't that cause the piston to return faster than previously? And if so, doesn't that alter the relationship between the tappet plate returning and the piston head returning?

You can try putting the original spring back in. If that solves it then a stiffer tappet plate and tappet return spring sounds like it is the way to go.

Spring strength has nothing to do with this. By the time the piston is released, the nozzle has long since returned into the hopup unit/rubber.

TM-M4A1 August 14th, 2012 23:14

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Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 1692017)
Spring strength has nothing to do with this. By the time the piston is released, the nozzle has long since returned into the hopup unit/rubber.

then what would you suggest the problem could be?


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