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Strelok January 30th, 2010 16:14

Fighting wind with hopup : A marksmans quick shooting guide.
 
Introduction :

I started out airsoft as a sniper. Kind of the typical newbie obsessing over the sniper role thanks to fancy movies and video games. I was young then and such was my fate then, now i've smartened up and have a bit of a person arsenal of just about everything... Anyway.

I had to put up using my Classic Army M24 in most of the games I had participated in as I wasn't able to afford an AEG for the longest time. I just made do with what was available and learned how to operate with my limitations.

Using a bolt action rifle, it makes the user think twice about placing their shot, you only get one before having to wrench the bolt back and forth to load another. The feint report of the shot can give you away as well which can make things very complicated as a marksman. Its a gamble.

So, throughout it all, one has to learn to operate their rifle to its top potential.

Compensating for Wind

Airsoft guns aren't exactly the most accurate thing to begin with, you can dump countless upgrades into your rifle of choice and there still is only so much it can do. No matter what you put into it, dealing with wind will throw off your shot almost always unless you can compensate for it.

One thing I have found when it comes to shooting accurately is using the hopup to your advantage. So here are a few illustrations to throw my point out there.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...rtStuff/P1.png

Here is what I usually use for a 'zero' on my scopes. I use a regular Bushnell 4-9x zoom scope. Its got a basic hunting reticule which I find perfect for this kind of shooting. I zero for the basic 4x zoom setting.

Now, when I zero an airsoft rifle, I'll adjust my hopup so its a straight trajectory for the centre of the reticule as you would a normal rifle. But after that, I will adjust my hopup so the bb rises up to the point of the reticule where it goes from thick to thin.
The reason I do this is just for that extra backspin on my BB, this will help with fighting wind with the technique i'll show you in a moment here.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...rtStuff/p2.png

Now, generally this is how I see a lot of people shoot their rifle. They keep their rifle entirely vertical, crosshairs level and steady as if they were shooting a real rifle. Now, since at this angle, the BB is only fighting against gravity. Wind can easily take off with the bb and throw it off target.

Now, It'd make sense just to aim off to the winds direction to just let the wind carry the Bb to the target, right?

Not really.

Wind is unpredictable, the first shot might be carried off less as the succeeding one would be in the case of wind. Unless you're using a Mil-dot scope, its hard to mark the point where the bb had come to land on the reticule hairs. Even then that is challenge.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...rtStuff/p3.png

So the best way to counter wind with an airsoft gun is to use the hopup. Since its using a backspin, it will throw air underneath itself to rise upwards. Tilting your rifle towards the direction of wind will make the backspin of the BB fight against the wind. Its essential to get a feel with using this technique, anticipate the strength of the wind and tilt accordingly. Tilting too much will simply throw the bb way off course.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...rtStuff/p4.png

During the summer I usually spend a good time outside practising 'fighting wind' with tilting and at different ranges. The more of a feel you get with using this technique, the more accurate your shooting will be as a sniper. Even then, you can use this with an AEG.

I hope my quick guide helped!~

AngelusNex January 30th, 2010 16:16

Your letting everybody i play with know my secret about ho I can hit them in crosswinds at 170+ feet out

Strelok January 30th, 2010 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelusNex (Post 1153793)
Your letting everybody i play with know my secret about ho I can hit them in crosswinds at 170+ feet out

Hahaha, Yeah. Now its public knowledge!

Mitchell12 January 30th, 2010 16:28

While playing with this idea once I considered the possibility of a quick adjusting side hop-over type thing. Unfortunately I couldn't imagine any place to put it where it wouldn't look stupid.

Amos January 30th, 2010 16:52

Shhhh people aren't supposed to know this :(

FOX_111 January 30th, 2010 17:23

For the rest, a little kentukey windage will suffice.

ThunderCactus January 30th, 2010 17:28

Ya I'm amazed more people don't know about this...

mirrage February 6th, 2010 18:00

Nice piece of information buddy!

kalnaren February 6th, 2010 18:08

You can also use the hop-up to get people hiding behind trees :D

StrikeFreedom February 6th, 2010 18:11

WANTED much?

The_Original_Modifier February 6th, 2010 23:05

Well done! It took me a a while to develop this years ago playing paintball. Excellent write up.


Mod:D

Strelok February 7th, 2010 01:45

Thanks! I plan on making a video (Including Shooting with AEG's) in the next few months.

Anything I should include?

mirrage February 7th, 2010 05:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 1158938)
You can also use the hop-up to get people hiding behind trees :D

You can also use remote controlled bbs to sneak in rooms and caves!:D:D

Andres February 7th, 2010 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by mirrage (Post 1159267)
You can also use remote controlled bbs to sneak in rooms and caves!:D:D

I... didn't have a chance. They were in and out sooner than I could react.

Strelok May 12th, 2010 16:18

Quick update. I have a video in the making, should expect a two part series on Youtube in the following weeks.

Amos May 12th, 2010 16:26

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

coach May 12th, 2010 16:37

Fighting wind with hopup : A marksmans quick shooting guide.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

X2

btw, there is no such thing as a magic bullet...........

Codfish May 15th, 2010 17:09

lol sweet piece of info! thanks!...and sorry Amos an other n00b knows now :) this is the kind of info thats helpful too us n00bs

Munaro May 16th, 2010 14:20

Awsome, cant wait for the video.

Rotting May 23rd, 2010 04:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by coachster (Post 1232673)
X2

btw, there is no such thing as a magic bullet...........

WRONG-O

http://media.lunch.com/d/d7/135611.jpg

What do you call that?

Strelok May 23rd, 2010 05:17

I think that would be a great opportunity to quote Monty Python.

"And now for something completely different."

coach May 24th, 2010 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotting (Post 1240923)
WRONG-O

http://media.lunch.com/d/d7/135611.jpg

What do you call that?

but that doesn't fit in my kit....but a icy fruit smoothie mid game would be a nice refreshing treat...

YourUserNameHere May 31st, 2010 20:58

Thanks a lot man! my friend has been having trouble with this exact problem, i better tell him, also nice visual aids they helped alot, and your whole guide was actually put together quite nice.

Jaaks June 21st, 2010 18:00

so where's the video? I'd like to see it.

Strelok June 21st, 2010 19:01

It's in the works right now. We're working on putting together a bunch of soft and metal targets on our range before we do anything with the video, things have been pretty busy on my end.

MorbidReign September 24th, 2010 14:12

That shooting guide looks nearly the same as the 'crash course' in sniper warfare everyone gets in advanced combat training. just replace the word feet with yards lol nice work.. seriously.

Mr. inked July 3rd, 2011 15:23

ok this is for a springer yes? would you uses the same idea with an aeg or would it be a little different? was thinking of upgrading my M14 into some what of a sniper

Jayne Finch July 4th, 2011 03:31

works with damn near anything. its changing the bb's flight path so the weapon you use is inconsequential really.

S.N.A.F.U July 8th, 2011 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotting (Post 1240923)
WRONG-O

http://media.lunch.com/d/d7/135611.jpg

What do you call that?

LOLS

Urrah! July 10th, 2011 20:21

Ha ha, I must say, one of those might be useful on game days. :D

mas_oyama September 1st, 2011 14:48

cool technique, it works well, I've though of it myself when I first started, and always used it. Got a craky amount of kills that way. the only problem is that it is a little bit tricky to go on the side of the gun. for example if you are right handed, tilting left is really easy, but tilting right is quite harder. you have to kindof bend over the gun. its not too bad when you are sanding up, but when you are prone it isn't easy!


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