New BB's from BB Bastard for the 2010 season
 

Jay just sent this in to me
go here for future info https://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=69462&page=2

Fuck Bioval, BBBastard FTW!

Thanks Jay for listening and bringing products that people want ;)

Plus a huge fucking one mate.

The fact BB Bastard comes right out and states the product is Bio neutral (like a rock as he says) is a strong point for me.
None of this misconception and delusion of calling his product Biodegradable unlike Bioval

Sure you can call that a very minor thing to pick about, but when I look for a product I can trust it sure counts for me.

Look forward to giving these a shot.

If anyone is interested, I have the MSDS sheets for any of the products, full disclosure as to what they are made of, but I don't make any secret of the contents of my BB products. If you look at my history I am very upfront about what the various BBs are made of and in some cases, even how they are made and why we chose those materials. In fact players here at ASC were key in choosing those materials, the weights and the finishes they've wanted.

Woot, i like the looks of those BB Bastard Clears.

dont take this as an afront to your Scarecrow, i dont intend it to be. This is just my opinion on the actual CONCEPT.

i am not a fan of clear BBs. there is too much controversy for me.

again, im not griping as to why you made the product. from a capitalist point of view, it makes perfect sense, and i commend you for that, and for your desire and ingenuity into branching out into other products.

but still, if they can crack glass, they pose more of a damage to guns, and i dont want my guns or mags riddles with bb dents.

just another thing (for me anyway), to worry about at games.

Just my 2 cents.

If you are offended by this, such was not my intent, and i sincerely apologize for causing any offense.

i am, and always will be, a loyal bastard :)

Man, people are still riled up by these? Pusangani's test showed that regular .25g BBs caused more damage to a plastic receiver than the .27g BBBMax.

Glass is probably the only major concern here, and one that is easily controlled.

What's the point of having transparent BBs anyways?

they are clear because they are glass, not glass because they wanted to make them clear

You're right, but some find it cool, and they buy BBMAX for that reason. So... I guess Jay wants to keep his Canada-wide supremacy :P

How many fields in the GTA have glass in the field? ... lol

They're safe to use. I'd rather have them hard, then to shatter.

I could say the same shit about plastic BB's hitting brick walls and the BB shatters and hit's and cuts into my skin...

It's up to the hosts to ban them or not, or it's up to you to play or not if they are used by another player.

I like the though of shooting rocks at the opfor. :p
Still no black .28s though! :(

The .28 ecobb's sound nice though. I'll definitely give those a try this year.

Hey Jay
Any word on how much a bag of BB Glasstards uhhh I mean glass bastards will be?

The EcoBB's are awsome i had the privillage testing out a bag and i must say awsome job Jay and one thing i found out is the ECO's arent flammable and are twice as hard to crush then the regular bbs i just finished the bag and am working on a review it will be posted soon. Awsome products Jay keep em commin..

BB-Bastards FOR LIFE

I am not offended at all and I am happy to have the opportunity to discuss it. Its a totally valid question given my past stance on the issue, and I know what it looks like - the Bastard bowing to capitalism...

Precisely. It is a more pragmatic approach I'll admit, but the Glasstards (damnit Spawn, that would have been perfect, but the labels are already printed!) seem to have a following and as Pusangani's tests showed, have reasonable real world characteristics. You see, I trust Pusangani's tests because, a) he is a local airsofter, b) he's the first one to call a spade a spade, sometimes even to his detriment here, c) he's unbiased - he doesn't sell my products, and d) he hosts games. So if an airsoft such as he is happy, a bunch will be happy - not all, but a bunch. Am I worried about shattering BBs? No, I've posted the shear force tests on these BBs in other threads, they're not a shatter hazard at any temperature we play at, nor at any force our AEGs shoot at - by a large order of magnitude. So, in my mind, in those respects, these are reasonably safe to use, provided EVERYONE is okay with it. Just like snipers, everyone on the field and host have to be okay with these.

Er, no not for me. Some people like hard and clear and I want to give them a Bastard option. It happens to be Silica has those properties. Is it a fad? Perhaps, like black BBs I suspect they will come and go. I've also come out and said, this is SILICA, not some super-duper top secret resin crap. So you know up front what you're shooting. If you don't like it, don't use it. I have a full line of ECO and non-ECO products in the most popular weights as alternatives.

Choice and selection. Refer to Conker's astute and simplest interpretation and you've found your answer.

All valid comments and observations guys - I knew I might take some heat on this decision, but I think my reasoning and the testing, along with the disclaimers on the bag and my openness about the product's contents will let you the player and/or the host make an INFORMED decision about what you want to put in your gun and shoot in your games, or have shot at you.

Thanks Spawn.

The airsoft community has been quietly testing out my ECO products since last summer. Spawn has been a tester - several others have been recently sent comp bags out, in various cities and provinces. I've gone through 4 different test batches and the batch Spawn has been shooting have been the final selected formula - of which I am very happy to say meets the Bastard quality versus cost ratio. My first 10kg test batch is sitting in my backyard compost and has turned into sludge over the winter. The other two batches never made it out my door. The .20g and .25 formula I chose was bagged in September and distributed - about 200 comp bags in total went out - so far everyone seems to be happy with them. So I am hoping the community will have enough people out there with experience with them that I don't have to convince a lot of people to use them.

I still say Styrene BBs are reasonably non-toxic but they do have a 20 year degredation cycle (minimum). But for those who clearly want BBs gone, the ECOBBs are a sure bet without compromising performance or risking your feedpath to chalk or goo deposits. The bag design also ensure product longevity after the bag has been opened and reopened.

Pending. It will be reasonable and competitive though...

It was not written anywhere, so I'll ask: what's the respective cost of these new products?

One question about the bio BBs, do they swell up when it's very humid? Say, after a rainy night in the morning fog. I was at a game last autumn, in those exact conditions, on a field that required bio BBs, and most brands of eco BBs swelled up so much that they would jam and cause all kind of feeding problems in almost every guns.

To be revealed at TAC10!

As long as the BB is not scored when loaded into the mag, no, they should not - the polish process has one benefit - is has a water resistent shell. But I have disclaimers on the bags that state they should not be used in rain conditions and I don't recommend it.

Unfortunately this is one aspect of bio formulations in general you cannot escape - H20 in combination with C02 activates the decomposition process. But I can say the exposure to H20 has to be longer than past formulations. You probably could get away with it in a one day game. Humid conditions should not be a problem, but if you have water sitting right on the BB, it will be a problem.

So, for example, the Wolfpack May 24 games, I would use the Styrene formulation because its almost guaranteed to rain... ;)

Oh, but look at ASCMart - .20gr and .25gr ECOBBs are $12.50 a bag.

Unfortunately these BBs are a little more than regular BBs. As usual I try and make it so you can buy bags on the field with bills - so if you don't want to make change, you need to buy 2 bags for $25.

The .28gr ECOs and Clears TBA though.

Nice Jay. :)

I still want 0.34g sniper rounds!!!!!! Lol

when will ASC mart be stocked up on ALL of your product?

The additional product will arrive in the next 60 days.

Just another point i had 6 Bio BB's in a cup of water after 6 hrs they showed no signs of swelling or breaking down i even cut one in half and still nothing the breakdown doesnt seem to occure till around the 12-15hr mark fully submerged and even then i was still able to shoot them with ease. They didnt foul, jam or leave anykind of residue in the barrel.(KEWL) now that being said i dont suggest submerging these and shooting them this was just for testing purposes.

Great to hear! I'll be first in line to buy them when they are available.

Hmm.. Running an Eco or regular white and glass clear mix of .28s sounds nice... I've never been so excited just for BB's before :p

Older brands of Biodegradable BBs had a tendency to shatter upon impact, therefore a couple of fields in this area don't let people use them.

Do these new Bastards shatter upon impact too? or do they remain more solid?

Thanks, and I can't wait to get my hands on some!

They're more resilient than past formulations but I still don't recommend playing with mesh goggles and there is a warning on the packaging about that. Fire PBR against a concrete wall I was able to split about every 3rd or 4th shot with a gun that cronied around 380fps. Broken pieces were not particularly jagged or sharp, and they didn't powder, which I thought was good. But styrene they are not.

Good to hear it, Can't wait to try some myself.