Sniper role - is it for me ?
 

Since the beginning of my interest in the sport of airsoft a couple years back, I've always been interested in the sniper role. Although I have never played this role and don't have a lot of experience myself, I would really like to start learning more and more about it. I have seen great airsoft snipers in action and I have the utmost respect for them. They sometimes lie on the same spot for hours without getting a single shot. I know this must be really hard, but I really think I would like to play this role. I am patient and I dont need to fire 30bbs/s to have fun.

So I was wondering, should I go further and maybe buy myself a bolt action rifle to try it out? Or should I wait before I get more hands-on experience with airsoft ?

Thanks

Start by playing single shot and just getting the feel of being at a "disadvantage" in the ROF department.

Try to pick your shots instead of firing in bursts (or if you usually shoot full auto then start firing in short bursts and once that's normal start picking your shots using single shot).

Personally I don't see the appeal of being a BA sniper, I'd much rather have a single shot "auto sniper" (even if it is capped at a lower FPS limit) that can get a decent ROF in case SHTF.

You could just pick up a DMR rifle (like an SPR or something) and transition to BA rifles once you get good at that however that does cost a bit of money (it's probably nothing compared to how much you're going to spend on BA rifle upgrades later down the road though).

this is true and I have shot in single fire more times than full auto. It just came naturally to me that I always preferred placed shots than wasting ammo on a single target. I really am not the trigger happy type and some team members at the last game even kept telling me to shoot more so...haha

Also, I know it might seem hardcore but I would really enjoy the time spent watching the playing field, what color are the leaves/trees/bushes, so I can adjust my ghillie suit/loadout in consequence.

i would recommend getting a M14, i wanted to try out sniping and found that it wasnt for me after borrowing a sniper for a game, however a m14 is the best of both worlds in my opinion.

Yep, I've heard a lot of people saying that. It definately is an option I will be looking at but again I like Bolt Actions, feels so realistic IMO.

You went to the training day, you got a first taste of what's involved in sneaking around (and you were doing relatively well for your first time, too).

Forget about the bolt action for now. The gun is a tool, nothing more: the sniper role is about a very specific skill set, not about the rifle. Specially not in airsoft were the range advantage is negligible.

You should explore the scouting role for now, master stealth and observation, understand the strengths and weaknesses of your gun, and get use to stalking your targets or laying in ambush so that you can get the kill with the tool you currently have at your disposal.

That will give you a good idea not only whether or not its for you, but what specific tools you need to improve you capabilities if its something you choose to pursue.

Those are very useful tips Drake. I guess it is better for me right now to master the skills before acquiring the tools. In the next games, I will definately concentrate on improving my stealth and observation skills.

thanks a lot Drake, your wisdom is always appreciated :)

If you are serious about it, start building your ghillie suit now. Start to educate yourself on the aspect of the role. I'll probably host another sniper clinic next summer, you are also welcome to attend.

Like Drake said, the rifle is a tool. You can start with getting more experience as a general infantryman and still adopt some of the specifics of the sniper role with volontering for recon missions and teaming with other likeminded players.

Next time we get to play on the same field and if I'm sniping, you can tag along with me a bit so see if you like the role. Be prepare to crawl a LOT and move in a painstakingly slow and methodical way, yet being ready to bolt away from a contact.

If you have a light kit that allow you to get confortably low on the ground and stay there for a long time, you are on the right way.

probably DMR is the best to go first, semi auto gives the advantage when they're getting closer. (In Edmonton semi auto is 450 fps, bolt action is 500)

Thanks, I would really appreciate it. I don't mind crawling even though I might not be the perfect size for this haha. I probably wont mind any of these bad circumstances, as long as it helps my teammates.

I'll toss in this: being an airsoft sniper isn't about lying around for hours waiting for a shot. It CAN be, based upon that being the best course of action due to the mission and what your team is doing. But you can be an active player, working as the sniper/DMR for your team, away from them but maybe ahead of them. As mentioned above, the sniper rifle is a tool to be used a certain way, for certain applications. So is the ghillie, when it's able to be used or when the situation calls for it. But the tactics of the sniper is also a tool. The only time I've ever laid around in wait was 2 hrs, totally outside of shooting distance (the farthest I could see was about 500ft) and I was covering an unused corner of the field on overwatch for my team defending a base to be attacked. Mostly what I chose to do at that point was use my scope to ID enemies movements around the roads and woods, then provide the intel to my guys. And go figure, two of the enemy came up the road in the unplayed area, and literally decided to to climb up the berm and observe the base not even 70ft from me. I shot them both, they were both stunned someone was where I was, because literally I've been the only person ever to use that spot way out in the boonies of that field.

I do most of my games with my M24 on my back and my MP5 in my hands, sometimes I leave the MP5 behind. Yet I move around all day, always hunting and getting around.

BTW, I liken an airsoft sniper lying around waiting for a target to be like hunting from a tree stand. That's not hunting, that's ambushing. I hunt like the Indians used to, stalking around and getting into the best position to take someone out.

I know that of all people I shouldn't be offering information, but what the heck, right?

Give a bolt-action rifle a try. Although if you are a trigger happy kind of person, you may find yourself in the position to buy a full-auto airsoft rifle. An M14 would be fairly great because (not sure of this 100%) most, if not all of the M14 airsoft rifles are semi-automatic. I am sure there are some that are fully automatic aswell.

You can also go out to games and ask to fire some peoples airsoft rifles to get a feel of what you like. Most of them, from what I have heard, will gladly let you pop off a few rounds.

Whatever you find yourself buying I am sure you will be happy with. Just remember that airsoft sniper rifles are next to nothing like a real sniper rifle. Their range and accuracy depends on the shooter, and the ammount of money put into the rifle. Chances are if you buy a stock weapon, the cost to upgrade it to something that is worthy of field use. You will be looking at up to or over $1000.00 to upgrade it to make it work well for you in the field.

And like Drake said, the sniper role is about a very specific skill set, not about the rifle.

Cheers!

This is exactly the type of missions I'd love to play a part in. Reconnaissance, sending intel to teammates etc. this is very much the type of airsoft I would love to play.

All M14s have full auto ability, and I'd sure as hell buy one (TM only) if I was able to. But in my opinion (I might be considered a purist), hanging your airsoft "life" on the line with only a bolt action and pistol is the ultiate rush/training session, simply because you KNOW there is no way out with a full auto option. You totally change your tactics and when you shoot with a bolt action. Luckily bolt actions have what no AEG can give, pure silence (outside of 20ft) when firing. So that (and increased range/accuracy with heavy BBs) are what makes a bolt action so amazing to use in airsoft.

Then I'll give you this info: ever play at Mirabel Paintball when an airsoft game is on? If so, you know about Hambuger Hill and the urban area with the church. Both times I played there this year, my MP5 barely got used (even after dark and with my NV scope on it, my focus was 95% M24 (and about 3% MK23) for both events. And I racked up at least a dozen kills each game using just my M24, it works great to pick off guys stuck in places where there is a lot of cover, they can dodge streams of BBs with ease, but a single green 0.36g fired from 150ft away.......... SLAP!!! Is all in the way you play the game, use your tools, and what your confidence level is. Last game there I never even fired a shot with my MP5, even though it was slung on my back half the time.

I have yet to play there but the way you talk about it makes me want even more to buy a BA. It's that versatility I'm looking for. Being able to feel the urgency to shoot while in other scenarios you wont have to shoot at all. Sometimes you shoot just for fun, sometimes you cannot shoot because of specific missions.

This is exactly what I am looking for in this sport.

Then I should mention the "psychological warfare" aspect of being a sniper, guys holed up behind cover, you shoot at them to let them know you are there, even if you don't hit anyone. Just a single loud smack of a heavy BB every 5-10mins really sets guys in nervous mode, and you can literally keep most players pinned down for an hour this way. Been there, done that, love it!

haha this is incredible

I'll always remember the day I crawled for close to an houre, behing ennemy line in little cover. All I had was the underbrush of and my cadpat as camoflage. I crawled slowly to get into a nice firering position behind an ennemy entrenchement. There was 3 guys firing on my guys behing a large fallen tree. Since the angle was weird, I had to crawl in at about 100 fts of them. Laying as low as I could, I wacked the middle guy in his big padded vest. My 450fps rifle sent the 0.30g BB dead center in the guy back, making a loud hit. He called his hits and his teamate, suprised, looked at each other and quickly around, trying to spot the source of fire. I was now as flat as I could on the ground with nothing to hide. They did not saw me and made a run for it to get re enforcement. I quickly changed position once I was alone in the erea. I took a good position that afforded me some cover and a way of escape, and saw the 3 previous dudes plus some backup, comming for me. They where in a skirmish line, walking slowly and shooting at every bush. I had chosen a spot that I knew was unlikely to be considered a good hiding space for a sniper, and they walked past me. I was hiding in plain sight again.

Once they came past me, I very slowly raised my rifle and turned around, still half sitting, half prone, on the ground and levelled my sight on the back of the highest threat. When I was about the shoot him, my teamates emerged from the other side of the clearing and engaged them all. All I had to do was sit there and look at them killing the ennemy, while making sure to back my team. I stood there, still hiding to avoid being FF and later rejoined with my team.

It was a great infiltration.

ah man these stories really just want to make me take the sniper role right now. This is so the kind of rush I'm looking for.

Do whats best to make sure you have a fun.

It's a game afterall :)

Personally i wouldn't recommend a BA, theirs to much disadvantage in airsoft with them.

A nice M14 will give you the pleasure of both world.

It's true that its a disadvantage but like stated earlier, the adrenaline rush of knowing that just adds up to the playing experience IMO.

Anyways, you're right. It is a game and one shall do whatever it takes to just have fun !

The disadvantage is offset with other advantages, and doing well with it is what sets apart the men from the boys.

Hahaha!

I agree about the adrenaline rush. Sometime, my heart beat so hard when I'm crawling toward the ennemy, knowing that I can only hope to shoot once and they can all light me up if I mess up. You really have to know how to control your breathing and manage your stress.

Never had such a rush when I play assault with an AEG.

I've always hated sniping but this thread is making me reconsider. =)

This is why I've started my own Sniper Project, just all these things combined make for the best airsoft game in my opinion. Cant wait to get started!

Talking about sniping sound cool. Doing it for real is another thing.

Most of the time, you are forced to stand there and watch your teamate rack all the kills because you are either too close, or simply outgunned.

It's fascinating how much people dream about snipers and think it's cool and all. Doing it properly is another ball game like said many time before.

You have to be descently fit too.

this is true, you cant be in that for the kill count, its not CS.

myself I really dont give a damn if I dont get a single kill, if I help my team win, is the only thing that matters

Exactly why I couldn't handle it.

I'll leave the sniping to getting fat on the couch with a laptop.

I am weak. =)

what is defined as decently? as in what is it that requires being fit? bugging out ASAP when you are spoted? because if that is it than I would be fine, I can sprint 200-300M before it starts catching up with me.
also if I were to start sniping which I am looking in to I would be doing it for a lower death count (I generally end up being the bait for the better players to find the enemy)

You get to crawl a lot, you get to be in uncomfortable positions for a lot of time, you get to move quickly to change spots etc.

What advantages?

my guess would be that you have longer range and as such it is harder for them to shoot back if you do manage to spotted, silence that is inherent with the guns, and a more difficult play style if you are a proper sniper.

Silence i can deff go with, BA make a LOT less noise. But range? They are limited with similar FPS so i can't see them shooting that much further. Especially compared to a real sniper vs rifle.

yes the ratio between RS sniper rifle and rifle is far greater than between airsoft BA vs rifle. but you still do have anywhere between 50 and 100 FPS bonus on the regular guns which means that even though you don't have as much of a range gain, you do have some gain and as has been stated, most people who use BAs use much heaver BBs than most regular players, so the energy stays with the BB fractionally longer.

And dont forget, with such accuaracy at long ranges, and stealth, how do they know where to shoot? :)

and in reference to range, BA definately have an advantage. Why do you think people spend over 1 grand in upgrades? For fps? No, its for accuracy, especially since most AEG's cant range up to 300ft accurately, or at all.

I may be wrong but I am fairly sure that no BA in canada can shoot 300 feet either.

Indeed they can. Look at Amos, Or CDN_stalker.

300 feet? lol id like to see that. And no, having a bb fly 'somwhere' in the '300' range isn't being accurate. It's being lucky.

Their limited to the same fps of AEG, sometimes a bit more.

Adding 50-100fps and a longer tightbore doesn't double or triple your range.

Range is increased when using a heavier BB and having your hop up set right (250ft is easy). And BA are just more consistant due to less moving parts.

Yes, silent shots unheard outside of 20ft is a big advantage. Other advantage of learning to use a BA well and actually gaming with it is you take a lot less chances (and more), but it makes one a better player. With an AEG set on semi with full auto as an option, you might think "Well, I shouldn't take this shot because it might give me away, but I have full auto to back me up if I need it, so I'll take the shot anyways." Your tactics really change and you become much more in tune with what is going on, your surroudings, when is tactically your better time when to shoot, when you should just let the guys walk past. Listen to "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers, that's what sniping in airsoft is like.

Inter shot consistency does. It's a common noob mistake to think a higher FPS makes for a more accurate or distant shooting gun: if you can get a consistent velocity shot after shot, accurate barrel and a heavy BB that will stay on course, you can start getting a consistent trajectory. And once you get that you can start arcing shots, more or less like on an airgun or real gun.

You should come out to a game sometime (a real one), you'd learn a lot.

Hehe, was wondering if I or someone else would have brought that up.

And Ronan, I've gotten BBs out to 300ft before, consistantly. Sure, they were giving me maybe a 15-20ft grouping at 300ft, but they went out there easy enough. This was the one time I had my rifle set to 340fps w/0.20g BBs, and I was flinging 0.30g Bastards. Ask Testie next time you talk to him about that, he was there beside me at Apoc's, and he even toook a dozen shots and got the same thing I did.

I got one confirmed kill beyond 300fts. Many experienced snipers do.
At those range, it's much like Rob Furlong 2.4km kill. A lot of ajustement fire.

And by being fit, I mean, you will do a LOT of crawling, wich demand a lot of energy and flexibility. Sometime a lot of running then sudently going prone and hahing to steady a shot. If you are out of breath and sweating like a pig, you won't be able to take a shot with all the fogging and jerking. Also, if you have a big fat belly, good luck crawling around for a long time. I don't say it cant be done, but I assume it will be less than elegant and effective.

ahh, ok, I also read stevens post as being accurate to the point where the BB went where you aimed the scope the first time.

At certain range yes. depending on your rifle and weather, to a certain point you will get good enough grooping to hit what you are aiming for at good distances too.

You can hit a face out to 200 fts when there is no wind. If you miss the first time, you can still re-engage as most of the time, the target don't see where it's comming from and mistake the "ssswhoosshh" sound for a fly passing.

Nope, won't happen unless your scope is zero'd for that distance, which isn't likely to happen. I have my hop up set full, and because I use 0.36g BBs, I get droppage at around 150ft (I also wash my ammo, that way I get a bit more friction on the hop up). Is always better to under adjust your hop up than to try to set it for maximum range, than way you get consisant shots no matter what the air conditions are like. Is easier to aim higher and drop your round on the target than it is to suddenly see your BBs overhopping due to wind, and having to 'hook' the rounds up. So the way my gun is set now (397fps w/0.20g, equals roughly 300fps using 0.36g), to get my rounds on target 200ft away, I have to aim about two feet over the target. But this is better than when my rifle was shooting ~500fps, the BBs were too unstable to get consistant shots (many flyers).

ya that is what I thought, with my JG HK416 shooting 396 on .2s I was hitting the side of a tree that was 150-170 feet (I was standing on the tree line by the tower and shooting at someone behind the bushes on the rock outcropping at upper postal if anyone can confirm this distance) away using .25s I was trying to ricochet a shot in behind some cover in case you were wondering. my 416 has un natural range and accuracy for what it is, especially since I don't have a tightbore or any kind of accuracy improving upgrades.

to answer your original question. when I started playing airsoft, I wanted to be a sniper. had access to a Maruzen APS2, that ran a bit hot for standard play. I understood the mental game that goes on, the waste of time setting up a shot but to not have a shot, potentially being spotted and not being able to engage when the enemy close the MED etc... So I let the thought go and took up a using regular AEG's and GBB's and shot people lots and got hit lots. Had loads of fun.

the opportunity to came to take the level 2 course and I jumped on it. thoughts of playing the sniper role came back until taking the course and realizing it's not for me. sure I can crawl around in the bush trying to track the oppontent. sure I can sit silent for a long time without moving but again, it wasn't me. not the way I want to play.

although I am a Level 2 BA operator, will I ever play a game as a sniper? not likely. Will I ever sling the APS2 on my back as a DMR? probably

My suggestion to you, go take Fox_111's clinic when it comes up. You can get your level 2 and see if your really suited for the role.


Edit: yes I love the reaction on peoples faces when they hear the thwack of a heavy BB or 2 hitting something near them. hahahaha

I totally understand why you want to be a sniper. You want the spec ops like, alone, behind enemy lines, where stealth is your only ally. I love when i end up in that position however, I prefer my semi auto silenced 416 over my vsr for this. The BA rifle is incredibly bad ass to use, very fun to shoot but though it does have it's upsides, I've never been in a situation where i wish i had my vsr over what ever else i'm carrying. My advice. Go with something small (Mp5, M4 cqbr/10 inch barrel, nothing bigger than that), get a ghillie suit set up, and do the sniper/spotter role first before getting the BA. May not like it, may love it. Hell, you may find you prefer it with a small silent (sorbo pad + sound suppressor at minimum) aeg. And then work on the BA as it's useless if you don't know how to move correctly first.

It really does make a difference.

I remember back in England, the first outdoor game I went to, I heard these loud THWACK!s and thought someone was throwing rocks at me. Quite intimidating.

I later learned that they were .43s.

EDIT: I tried going all John Woo on his ass and got hit in the balls. Serves me right.

Interesting. I will definately wait for Fox's clinic. In the meantime I will use my AEG and develop skills in reconnaissance and stealth a those will be helpful if I do become a sniper in the future.

thanks everybody, you've all been very helpful

To the 300+ feet snipers.

Put up a video hitting a man size target consistently.

Conditions:
BA.
Must have field legal fps.
Outdoor.
Ghillie gives extra internet points.
5 shots. 4 of them must hit the man size target.

Just because the bb's sometimes fly to 300+ feet doesn't mean it's accurate there. My PTW's could reach there, but it sure wasn't going to hit the same target every time or even most of the time.

If you can really make 'that' shot then show it on video. I'll buy you a beer (or lemonade if Drake makes that shot).

define field legal. some fields allow much higher BA fps without a level 2 or 3.

level 2 = 500fps which at some fields trumps the standard BA 450fps max if the field owner allows it.

level 3 = 550fps.

Or, as Drake said, you could actually come out to a game. :D Why go through the trouble to make a video, set everything up, get others involved............. just to prove a point to Ronan? Makes zero sense.

Remember my point that I get maybe a 10-20ft grouping at 300ft (when I was witnessing it), never said it was past 300ft (obviously they did go a bit past that before dropping), nor did I say consistantly hitting a mansized targets. Fox_111 said he's only done it once, he doesn't do it regularly.

I'm able to hit a man-sized target at about 300 feet I'd say.. 1 in 10 or so shots. It's not something that happens all the time, nor is it a distance that I would reccomend engaging from... Hell, most of the time I'm just sending BB's around people to scare them from advancing forward too quickly... The actually hitting them is more of a lucky coincidence than a planned shot.

Exactly my point. Now I'm wondering if we should ask Ronan to make a video of his hitting a mansized target 300ft away, 4 times out of 5, since he said he can do it with his PTW. Lol, 'Tit for Tat', with hiim being the 'Tit'.

I got $5 that says his PTW cannot reach 300ft without a lot of lobbing. :D

Especially since I know the maximum BB weight the PTW's hop up can deal with (without mods) is 0.25g. With mods, I think only 0.28g can be dealt with effectively.

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yes that is right on "TARGET"?ive done this whatyouve stated.it works exactly like that.first i got used to stalking with my m4.someitmes the slow,wait and stalk again can bring your target to your advantage.

Wow Ronan, you really overestimate your importance don't you...

Just to put Stalker's "10-20' groups @ 300 ft" assessment into context, he's grouping at 300 feet what a lot of stock-ish AEGs are grouping at around 100 ft. Which stems from your original [misinformed] statement that "adding 50-100fps and a longer tightbore doesn't double or triple your range." -- it obviously can if you know your tools. I have no doubt the good snipers can hit a point target (man -sized torso) 50% of the time ("effective range" by most definitions) at at least twice the distance experienced shooters can do the same with their AEG, so they at least double their range.

If you're talking about just lobbing BBs out as far as they'll go (basically which gun can piss the furthest) then your statement was absolutely correct, the exta 50-100 fps won't double the range.

And once again, you've perpetuated the noob myth that the sniper role is all about the gun and long range kills, rather than the skill set. Many good snipers (the ones with skills and balls bigger than the projectiles they're shooting) do excellent work from ranges well inside the reach of AEGs -- and a quiet, highly accurate (at that range) tool helps a lot to achieve this.

Exactly. I might take a 250ft shot a few times a year, but 90% of my shots are within 200ft (120-170ft being the bulk of that), just because it increases the chances of getting a reliable hit on a guy (and it's rare to get the one shot, one kill with any airsoft gun past 130ft), generally it's the second shot that'll find it's mark. The first shot is more a test fire to see what the air conditions are between you and the target, then you compensate for windage and elevation and try again.

So ya, me going against guys with AEGs, using a bolt action well, is what I do. Even though I can outshoot AEGs doesn't mean that I make sure I'm really far away before I take my shot. That's where the skill and balls come into play, and where I'm at an extreme disadvantage............ yet I have a high chance of doing very well. Hence my earlier reference to "Separates the men from the boys", the boys want the full auto option as a "just in case" thing, the real true snipers have no use for it because we have confidence and skills to use a BA rifle well. Ends up largley being about cover, conceilment, camoflage, and use of your surroundings to get into a firing position and take that shot(s).

Oh ya, one of my favourite missions is what I do 1 to 3 times per year, depending on the game, I really love the "Team A vs Team B vs. Me", where I dress up in my ghillie, leave my MP5s at home (or just at base), and head out into the woods with my rifle, silent MK23 and a G19 for the "Oh Shit!!" moments, and shoot anyone I happen to see. A couple times it's been 20 vs 20 vs 1. Really gets your shit in order FAST.

Exactly. Now that sounds a LOT more believable.

My offer still stands up for anyone that wants to try it instead of talking out of their asses and can't back it up.

So the rumors are true?

You're that good?

Ronan, if you played more outside and left the staging erea, you would have seen some good sniping shots done.

There is no need to prove to you how good a sniper can be with a little video.

Rather like you with your PTW that's never seen action outside. :)

Typical games like that I tend to get shot a half dozen to 10 times per day, but also rack up almost the same number of kills. Last time played that type of game, was about a dozen per side, I got killed two or three times I think, but got three kills with my rifle from the swamp, and one kill with my MK23 on a guy walking through the swamp who just happened to walk within 30ft of me without noticing me. :D And, lucky me, I only fired four shots all day (ok, five if you count the close range ass shot I did on Testtube while he was in respawn, cuz his gf asked me to).

Is all more about camo and stealth than it is about shooting skills.

that sounds like it would be fun. if I ever get into being a sniper I might try that. and i dont mind getting my ass handed to me, so it would also work as a good training session.

The best mistakes are the ones you learn from. And I've made a LOT of mistakes when it comes to airsoft.

Which PTW? Please be more specific.

My PTW LWRC has seen a good amount of action and now has a new owner thats very happy with it.

The others were more of overpriced wall hangers... :D

Dude..... you're just so lame, all of your comebacks are lame too. It's getting seriously annoying since you can't even realize it. Just give up, seriously.

I don't keep track of your PTWs, I just keep track of the number of QC players that say you almost never get out to games, when you do you barely play, etc. Yet you, as Drake said earlier, over-estimate your opinion around here. Besides, this is a sniper related thread, and you really have nothing to contribute to it, yet insist those of us that can get BBs out to 300ft (emphasis on CAN get them out, no mention of actually having consistant mansized accuracy) to make a video to prove it to you. Face it buddy, you are mostly a chairsofter since you joined.

I'll be waiting for that 300 feet range bolt-action sniper proof. Lots of talk, zero proof.

Cheers:rolleyes:

You're dumber than a bag of rocks, you'd need to show up to an actual game to see a proof. No one will go thru the trouble you're asking them to just for your own benefit.

Yet you turn around and claim your PTW can get BBs out to 300ft as well.......... with zero proof. That's like vomit telling poop it stinks!

Yes my PTW can reach 300 feet. Can it be accurate? Heck no, they just 'fly out there'. I never claimed to be accurate at those ranges like SOME people do.

Hence why i want some proof that a BA can be accurate at those ranges.

Keep talking people, all i want is 1 little video/proof that someone in Canada has a BA that can be accurate at 300 feet, like some are claiming.

Amos was pretty straight in saying that its not realistic and maybe 1/10 shots will hit there. From reading on the forums and owning a modified VSR, that sounds a LOT more realistic.

I guess i'm asking to much for someone to prove his BA can hit man size targets in the 300 feet...

My bad people, i'll take your 'word' for it. It's the internet so i shouldn't be surprised...

...soooo...back to the sniper talk, how does an AEG sniper rifle (such as an RS SVD) compare to a BA sniper rifle? What are the major differences in using the two rifles?

Who in this thread has claimed to be accurate out to 300ft? I sure as hell didn't, I was the one to say I got maybe 15-20ft groups out there at the one point my gun was set up as it was and I had the distance and conditions to do so. Fox_111 only said he got ONE confirmed kill at around 300ft once, he didn't say he does it regularly.

I actually never refereed to you because what you states was 100% true like always. Amos corrected what someone stated with a 1/10 shots should hit in the 300 feet but then a couple jumped the gun with their claims. I wanted to see if it was truly possible to be accurate in the 4/5 shots hitting someone in the 300 feet range all the time.

They are AEG with longer tightbores, thats it.

Edit: Spelling.

I've witnessed a +70yd PTW kill with one round (tacklebury mod), I have faith in 80-90yd shots taken with bolt-guns. Where we play is pretty sheltered so wind plays much less of a role. Being able to squeeze BBs in between lots of small trees is among the main benefits of the BA role around here.

Cheers,
Grant

Okay guys, i think the contest of who is pissing the farther can be finish now..

I have witness few shot from fox at 250-275 feet with confirmed kill at the pit in rawdon in the past.. i had a m14 shooting 445 on semi, upgraded to the top, and i could not even reach the target while lobbing..

My maximum effective ranges was about 175 feet, and max about 225. while Fox M24 was 40-50' longer.. So Yes BA have farther range than AEG, the cylinder is not designed in the same manner.

The 300' shot are realy nice shot with wind correction, range correction and a bit of luck.

I have own BA and Semi AEG and i have liked both, but they are different.

The feeling that sniper are looking for are attain with BA.

People that want to be more a marksman use M14, SPR, and the like. BA are for the people who are looking for the whole deal.

JF

Thanks for that Red. As stated earlier, I really am looking for the real deal, the full adrenaline rush of having next to no assets but your skills and mind. I'm probably not ready for it yet, I still have lots of skills to gain. But I know what I will be doing when I have those skills

Thanks for clearing that up Red.

Okay, Ronan, quit it. This thread isn't about you.

Nobody here (nobody anywhere, really) takes you seriously as a player, much less as a sniper. Your contribution here has exceeded its limits and honestly, arguing with recognized veteran snipers, you're close to trolling.

End of that argument and back on topic.

Thanks for putting everybody in their position Drake.

Now to get back on topic, I'll quote myself

Ok, the backpeddle finally came, but at least it did. Should have just been more clear about that earlier. You know those snipers that are at the top of the sniper game (myself, Amos, Fox_111, ShaDo, etc.) don't bullshit (much :) ) and what we say is usually as close to fact as possible, but we also don't need to brag about insane ranges we've gotten kills at (newer unproven players trying to create a reputation while being unsure of themselves do though).

Myself, I can honestly say the farthest confirmed kill I've made is around 250ft, and happened while I was sending rounds into a large base, shooting at and near people for maximum pyschological effect while my team was getting into position to assault it. Never have I gotten anything past that (that I can confirm that is), but I've never been one to really WANT to shoot that far, I prefer closer up precision shots so I can actually see the round hit the guy. I have more bragging stories about kills gotten by slipping a BB into a small space in cover out to 150ft or so than I do long range kill rights. Personally accurate shooting into tiny spaces is more important to me than anything longer range than 200ft, that becomes more skill than luck.

Yea... In the current field we're playing on.... The normal engagement range for me... is lucky if it's around 150 feet... most of it is really thick brush too... so most of my shots are lining up several small holes in trees and firing through them..

I havn't used my VSR in a couple of weeks though... I've been playing with my new toy (RS SVD) ... but if my team doesn't have a photo-shoot next weekend... I think I may bring the VSR out...

How is it?

Ive been eyeing them for a while.

Im no sniper and they are far out of my price range, but damn they're pretty.

It's on the same level as my VSR... but doesn't shoot anywhere near as consistent.... I guess that's the trade off for having a motor load your gun for you instead of gently placing a BB in the hop-up chamber with a bolt.