Aimpoint ml2
 

Hey guys, i got an aimpoint ml2 from huang and the elevation can be adjusted, but it cant be lowered all the way to the front post when looking through the aimpoint. I turned the elevation screw as much as possible to lower the elevation of the reticle, but the screw just falls out when it reaches its limit. Ive attached a pic at the bottom to explain my dilemma. Currently, Im using a larue tactical cantilever mount and i know i can use a lower "L" mount to match the reticle with the front post but i really prefer to use this LT mount instead since Im going for the sopmod look.

Do all aimpoint clones have this problem or is it only mine? Which ones can be fully adjusted so that I can match the height of the reticle with the tip of the front post? Im thinking about ordering a Guarder Aimpoint from UNCompany since Ive heard good things about them. Can the elevation of this aimpoint be fully adjustable so i can match the reticle with the front post? Thanks guys

Heres the pic below. The reticle is actually slightly lower than what the picture shows (my camera was aimed straight), but its still not close in touching the front post:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...t/IMG_1300.jpg

Uh, are you looking through the rear sight as well when you're trying to co-witness?

If it's at the same height as most other mounts, it should co-witness with the irons in the lower 3rd of the aimpoint window, not the center. You need to have a rear sight on there to co-witness, since the aimpoint is nearly parallax free, you can't just play around with it until it arbitrarily touches the front sight post.

Never mind the irons for a sec. Can you actually zero the red dot? Or is it still too high? If it's still to high, you'll probably have to shim it.

Wait, i have 2 questions.

1. When i actually use my aimpoint, am i supposed to use it with the rear site as well? ie. lining up the rear site with the reticle with the front site. If so, what is the point of having the aimpoint?

2. I can adjust the elevation and windage of the red dot, but i cant adjust it low enough to touch the front post since the screw/cylinder falls right out.

3. What do you mean by shimming it?

My aimpoint is a clone so it is NOT parrallax free .

you don't use it with the front and/or rear sights BUT when it is zeroed all 3 should line up. Look through your rear sight, put the top of the needle (on the front sight) in the middle of the rear sights hole, the adjust the reddot till it is also on top of the tip of the needle.

Zero your front/rear irong sights.
Zero your aimpoint so it matches your front/lower.
Everything is zeroed.

Yes, that is exactly what I did from day 1

1. I zeroed my front and rear iron sites only like this:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ntitled1-2.jpg


2. I tried to zero my aimpoint WITH my iron sights but the reticle can not be adjusted any lower as stated in my original post. Even if you looked through the rear sight, the bottom edge of the aimpoint is blocking my view of the front sight. Like this:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../Untitled2.jpg

I tried to lower the reticle as much as possible until the elevation knob was undone like this:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...t/IMG_1324.jpg

I know i can get a lower mount as also stated in my previous post, but i want to use the larue tactical mount since im going for the sopmod look.

Lol, nice diagram. Why not just shoot a little lower that your red dot?

When you use your aimpoint, you do not need to line it up with anything. Once it's zeroed, bring the dot to the target and fire. That's it. You don't need your aimpoint reticule to be anywhere near your irons.

Co-witnessing is just a convenient way of zeroing your aimpoint, which can be used independently. You don't need anything on there but the aimpoint, but back up irons sure are nice for when the battery dies mid fight.

your mount is obviously too high.

I mean... cmon! it's physically blocking your rear sight!

Why? wouldnt u rather hit where your red dot is? I dont always wanna guestimate on the field.. I want to hit where my dot is.

go to a field.

ZERO your gun ON THE FIELD.

I can't stress this enough. Newbies always zero their gun for range like 5 metres indoor. That's not possible for any sight system.

Well the dudes above said that a the sights need to be zeroed with the reticle, so everything has to form a straignt line like this:

front site -------reticle-------back up site


Here is the thing, I want to be able to quickly switch between the sites and between the aimpoint. But i cant do this because the aimpoint aint lining up and the bottom edge of it is blocking my view. do u get it?!

Well obviously you zero your gun at farther distances and not FIVE meters. Come on, its an insult you would even say that to me. And there is no point is zeroing my aimpoint on the field if i cant even see the damn front sight!

One more reason I almost never use any kind of sight system. I just shoot a feeler shot to see where Im aiming and adjust from there. Hasn't done me wrong so far. Plenty of face has been eaten without the need for sights.

Agreed. This is what I do. I take a shot at the beginning of the day, figure out where the gun is shooting, and just adjust for the rest of the day. Maybe take the time at lunch to adjust the irons, but, not a big deal. Unless its massively off... But otherwise, just eyeball it.

You dont need any iron sight to zero your scope. You just shoot at a target, at say 70ft. Then adjust your red dot until you hit it when aiming.

The reason i said just aim below, is if your too picky to get a new mount, your stuck with that. Make it work for you.

You dont need any iron sights to sight your scope, but u need to align the reticle of your scope to the sights.

I can just purely use my red dot all the time. Fire my gun, and adjust the dot accordingly without using my sights at all. Yes i know this. But what i want to do is to be able to switch between my sights and my red dot whenever i want without zeroing my gun in between.

don't you realize that your mount is too high?

Buddy, if your rear sight is physically too low to see the sight picture of the red dot fully, then you can't co-witness the front sight.

It's like putting a wall between the rear sight and the front sight.

Yes, of course i know that. But I find it hard to believe that Larue Tactical cantilever and "L" mounts from both brands Bomber and Element are all the same height and all too high to mount an aimpoint on an M4 (i own both brands and i tried them all). So are you saying that all of these mounts, from both brands, are too high and cant be used for an aimpoint? why would both brands make the mounts so high and unuseable then? Does this make sense to you?

I may be just your Iron sights.

Yes, all of those mounts are too high. They are not designed to be co-witnessed with the kind of iron sights you have.

The cantilever design pushes your Aimpoint out over the D-ring. Leaving more room behind to mount your NV stuff or even the 3X Magnifier. The base has a built-in watertight storage compartment for an extra battery. That's why it's so high.

If you want to co-witness properly, then get an regular L-Mount.

I'll be damned...

Okay, so which irons sights are meant to cowitness with the Larue mounts?

Hey, so ive seen alot of pics of the MK18 MOD 0 and many have an aimpoint on a straight mount with a BUIS. Do ppl actually aim their gun by looking through the BUIS and red dot or is the BUIS only used incase the aimpoint runs out of battery as you guys mentioned? Thanks

You know BUIS stands for back-up iron sights, right? :p

Yeah, the co-witness method is just a convenient way to zero your sights. They should naturally be co-witnessed anyways after both are zeroed correctly, but it is possible to zero and use the red dot sight with no form of irons on whatsoever.

I'd say the vast majority of people that have BUIS on their rifle have them for looks only, and don't bother with them at all unless there's a critical failure of their electronic optics.

I use my Aimpoint only, and even replaced the front sight post with a flip-up to get a clear field of vision through the red dot; the flip up is always down, never used.

So in all the MK18 MOD 0 pics i see, no one really uses the BUIS right since everyone uses their aimpoint? Its just there for looks?

It's on personal preference.
BUIS is there when your optics fail.

You either focus your eyes or you don't.
BUIS also help on really sunny weathers, and when it gets too bright, your optics are not bright enough to show.

You get for what you paid for.
If you wanted high quality optics, buy a real one, or try even getting one into Canada.

If you want your sights and optics zero-d, go to a field.
Go to TTAC this week on Friday.
The range is open to shoot, and free, bring beers and food for the fun of it.

Will you be there? It will be my greatest honor to finally meet the HITMAN aka Shirley :)

yip it's your mount - it's just too high to allow your BUIS to be within the scope diameter.

I had to buy a higher mount for my SCAR to be able to co-witness the RDS and the BUIS...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2479/...2e7798b3_o.jpg

Dude....you're going to be sooooo disappointed.... (kidding ;))

you must be smoking something way to strong my friend.

Isnt hitman like a popular guy on ASC? I see his posts everywhere and he seems pretty nice...

Shirley is a good fellow.. Most certainly...

Though post count makes not for a technical specialist

Come down Friday.. there is certain to be someone around who can help you .. in addition to "The Mr Hitman..AKA Shirley"

To add my own 2 cents to this, I had a "MK18 MOD 0" and mounted a G&P Red dot on a Wilcox mount and kept my BUIS, the cut down carry handle type one. With the red dot on, they lined up perfectly so I'd just keep the aperture set to the wider one and used both at the same time. The red dot helps keep both eyes open and having the BUIS helped me keep my head in the same spot every time.

That depends.

LOL I just had a huge fever overnight. I come back on ASC and see this. Hahahah!

Are you feeling okay Shirley?? Make sure you get lots of sleep and lots of water especially when the weather has been really crappy lately. We need you on the field on Friday!

Im sorry did someone leave a vacuum on? Because I just heard a loud *suck* noise.... :P

That was me, my bad.

Although, I told you NOT to bother me when I'm "cleaning" my "room"!

I have decided to get the Wilcox mount by G&P!

What mount were you originally using?

I actually have a QD mk18 mount for sale if you want. I can bring it on Friday. I hope you don't mind spray paint. I can PM you a price if you're interested.

YES! if u can PM me the price and the picture that would be awesome. Which brand is it?

I was originally using a Larue Tactical cantilever and L mount, but everyone says its too high..

Ok, what's the problem here?

I've got a real-steel Larue Cantilever QD Aimpoint mount and replica Wilcox Mk18 mount. The iron sights occupy the lower third of the Aimpoint when looking through it but that's the way it is on their real-steel counterparts.

If you have to transition to your irons you WILL have to change your cheek weld slightly.

Anyone know if the G&P Wilcox mount will be low enough so that i can cowitness with my front and rear sights?