KWC Desert Eagle vs TM Desert Eagle?
 

Just kind of curious as to the ups and downs of both products. Immediately, I'm expecting everyone to say the TM is the better option, but everyone has their opinions.

Anyway, looking at both, debating which would be my side-arm. Personally, I don't know the difference. I don't know if the KWC is TM compatible or not. The reason I'd go for the TM is because of the hardkick, since that's initially what attracted me to it, but the KWC is quite a lump sum cheaper, but as always, you get what you pay for. Not an urgent thing or anything, since I don't have the funds necessary for either weapon for the time being, which is also a big thing. If it's worth it for me to just sit back for a bit and save up an extra bit for the TM, I'd have no problem.

Just looking for some pros and cons on each. Thanks ASC.

i dunno about the KWC, but the TM one, while being TM and having TM performance and reliability, its plastic, light, and has a horrendous clickety clack plastic sound when it fires, it has great kick, but i absolutely hate the feel and sound of the gun

Not sure if the TM one is plastic or not. I know the KWC is full-metal. The TM one actually weighs a little bit more than the KWC one, so I'm guessing it may also be full-metal?

TM is all plastic except usual parts like trigger, hammer, internals (where necessary), etc.

Like i said...

If you're buying a GBB.

Tokyo Marui wins.

maybe for you, but every time i put mine in someones hand, a big smile appears on their face... and when they press the trigger the smile is even bigger!, light! the gun is pretty heavy!! and the big plus is that you can fire TWO full mag off a single gas charge! so imo...tm ftw!;)

KWC desert eagle is NOT full metal. Only the slide is. its frame is still abs.
Taking that into consideration I'd personally prefer the TM.

I just got a KWC DE, Shot compaired it to a TM HK and the KWC has more kick!. It also sounds better IMHO.

Everything on my KWC is metal but the frame, and there is no KWC trade marks just real trades. Only thing I have noticed about the KWC is the paint tends to come off easily just from being holstered....

I can get 2 full mags out of one charge of propane as well.

All in all I love the KWC... I don't think the metal outer barrel is stock though because the Hop up can't be accessed like it says in the manual, I gotta reach in with a pin and turn the little lever with the barrel off the gun.

I have shot and held both. TM hands down. I own the TM one so I may be biased but I like the feel much better plus now you can get guarder full metal kits for them.

I still have to say that although TM is a great company, I ablsolutley hate their deagle, it sounds like shit and the plastic just turns me right off

I personally don't like the TM that much, never used the KWC though. I hate the clicking sound it makes and when you hold it, it feels too plasticy. Although it is most likely much more reliable then the KWC, which if you game it, is one of the most important things about a airsoft gun. Just my opinion though.

I will keep you guys up to date on reliablity, I have already used my KWC as a football *flew out of my holster* while running and it landed in a nice pile of sand... cleaned it up and it shot just fine. And surprisingly it did not scratch from getting kicked, it scratched from getting holstered lol.

lol i holster mine (tm) in a radio pouch and once, somewhat the take down lever had activated without me noticing it , lol first shot SCHKLAK! the slide fucked up on the frame, removed mag, reinstalled and fired like a new...

also a thing i like about the tm one is the hop up placement!

how much are the KWCs anyways? did you get it from bob?

way more than what i paid my tm for :p

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone make a full metal DE? I don't think I've ever seen one around.

no, but there are metal kits for 200 bucks, includess slide and outer barrel, so everything but the grip

also the field strip of the KWC Deagle is different I think, check on youtube for that....

guarder makes a complete kit but again its 200...and thats the price in hk... lol cant imagine the price of it landed...i think the one you were talking about is the zeke metal slide/barrel witch I THINK is discontinued

Well its a kit that illusion said he could get me, thats as far as i got

You can still find Zeke kits, though as with any hobbyist type of company you need to snatch things up while they're still available. Creation also has a beautiful FMU DE kit but the USD price is already pretty staggering.

For the record, there's actually quite a bit of metal in the TM DE. While it may be all plastic externally, the slide rides on a metal sub-frame that's only evident once you've stripped the gun.

EDIT: They pack quite a punch out of the box, too. Once upon a time I chronied 3 of them - all fairly new, all stock except for recoil springs (which have no bearing on the velocity). Using Guarder BBs (hadn't yet discovered Bastards) they all consistently chronied 340-350.

yep... thats why i'm confident running it on propane the shell is plastic but the skelleton is metal

I got mine from multikam for 260. The normal KWC hop up is easy to get to.

As for field stripping, KWC is like the real steel. Press button on side, slide release on other side to open position, barrel comes off pull trigger and slide comes off, done.

removing the barrel from the slide assy on the tm is a real pain the ass though...:rolleyes:

When the KWC falls apart in your hands after a month of minimal shooting I'll be right here to say I told you so.

Shall we put money on it?

KWC have a reputation for basically falling apart after minimal use, and replacement parts aren't available as TM parts, if at all. As much as I'd like more metal on my gun, when I do get a Deagle, it will be a TM. Unless some other reputable company company like KSC / KWA starts making one.

The falling apart pushed me. Investing in the TM, heh.

TM is superior. While it will be more expensive to make it Full Metal, it will be worth it, as performance and reliability will be stellar.

welll than..... wish I had read that in atleast one review before I purchased this one. I thought I had over researched my choice.....

Eh we will see what happens, if it falls apart I guess shit happens :)

You can purchase full Deagle kits made by Creation (Black and Chrome)

RA-TECH also has their own kits.

where can I get TM D.Eagle Parts
 

I am searching long time can't get it.
Need 50AE-3 and 50AE-15
Please send me a mail to ck_chin@streamyx.com

owned a Chrome TM hardkick 50AE model
on duster its week and sounds rather unimpressive
on propane it kicks hard has great accuracy for a pistol and makes a good sound.
the hop up is easily accessible and thought the lower frame is plastic the upper is metal, after i took it apart, the internals some are plastic and some parts metal.
one thing i had noticed is that the loading nozzle has a tendency of wearing out when using propane so watch out its not a immediate problem, but down the road if something stops working get a new nozzle would be my first recommendation. the weight is only about 150grams off the original, the gun has trades on it and yes of course it says Tokyo Marui on it, but in general i found the gun exceptionally fun to use. now for you all who say its a useless gun to field because it still shoots the same 6mm round as every other pistol, you can get the same results from blowing BB's out of a straw, you buy it for the looks(and reliability in some cases) just like most other guns. now the TM desert eagle is a great feeling and sounding gun im my opinion and those who have used mine. and the 27 round clip doesn't hurt :P

Compairison:
TM Desert Eagle.50AE HardKick:
Metal parts: most internal parts, trigger, safety, slidelock/release, takedown switch, mag, Iron Sights.
Plastic/ABS: Frame,Slide, Grip, and a few other minor parts
the Barrell i belive is metal but i cannot be 100% sure
Weight (unloaded) around 1.5 pounds
Quality: id give it a 3.8/5. its a hand cannon and the lame weight just dosent cut it seems decent, fiar accuracy readily avalible parts. but a vast amount of the gun is plastic (Stock)
Avilability: 4.5/5 i have noticed almost the only place you cannot get on is Canada which made me mad. however its pretty cheap everywhere else
Gas Use: around 40 .20g bbs on 1 fill (give or take, temprature)
Price: Average id say around $130USD
Accuracy: about a 2.5" spread at 50feet with .20g bbs

Overall: 3.8/5 Large parts are plastic, unavilable in canada and other countries, dosent feel like the real steel counterparts (I have handled/fired Both .50AE)


KWC Desert Eagle.50AE NEW MODEL Co2
Metal Parts: Most internal parts, Barrell, Slide, trigger, hammer, Iron Sights, Slide Lock/Release, Mag release, Mag, Takedown switch.
Plastic parts: lower Reciver (reinforced ABS) Grip, a few internal parts
Weight: (Unloaded) around 2.5 Pounds
Quality: I cannot Properly rate this as i have yet to actually use it but from everything i have seen id say around 4/5 to a 4.4/5 the weight is very similar to that of its real steel counterparts
Availability: i have seen this new model on Almost every US airsoft site. i have seen this on a few canadian sites more and more are showing up as weeks pass
Gas Use: Co2 around 40 .25g bbs on one 12gram cell Green Gas around 40 .20g bbs on one fill (give or take, temp)
Price: Average id say around $150USD
Accuracy: about 1.5" to 1.8" spread at 50 with .20g bbs

Overall: 4.5/5 Vast amount of the gun is metal, it feels like the real gun sound is very hevy metal lots of snap to it(large amount of reviews i have watched) its widely avilable thoughout North america and other places, and i have no idea why the hell one would need it but this gun has a Fully automatic feature, the barrel is a Negitive thread for supressor, or w/e you can use it for
for a better rate on this gun i will only say after i have used this model.

so tm fan or not if you are after the better ban for your buck KWC will take first. i do have to say TM makes some really good airsoft guns
but KWC takes fisrt.

I will have a better conclution soon enough hopefully buy this friday (Sept 24 2010) when i actually get it ;D

OK, so after a good 1 and a little years, i still have the KWC, and i gotta say I love it, Parts in Canada little hard to find (metal kits, and what Not) but i have not had One miss fire, or any problem with this. I have shot well over 5000 rounds through it and it still runs in pristine order, so the fact the KWC "falls" apart after minimal use, in my opinion is load of turds, (unless minimal shooting is like 20K rounds) However I do preform regular maintainance and keep her nice and clean ;) just like you would on a real firearm. so for anyone whos actually reading this, Despite who says what about TM, or KWC, Get what feels right to you. Although there same models, they will feel different.

how long a weapon lasts is more about maintainance than it is the company that made it. my last pistol was a TM HC, that eventualy died of a common but undiscussed fault. if you do not lube the TM after every use with propane you WILL shatter the blowback housing. this is the piece of metal inside the slide of the pistol that sits at the back of the mechanism, it is also one of 3 metal parts within the slide that are not made of steel. CO2 is not really viable here in the uk due to site limits but i am curious bout the FPS of the KWC,

Where can I buy a kwc desert eagle in Canada I've been looking everywhere but couldnt find one. Can someone help me?

here

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=49408

I don't understand that just lead me n how to get age verified are there any stores that sell the kwc cybergun desert eagle 50 ae?

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Thats why the link takes you there.

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Also side note...

I hope you know you cannot Quickscope in airsoft. Aswell as I hope 97 isn't a reference to a birth year of 1997...

It's not it's the year my son was born and my favorite number

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