Mp44/StG44 Thread
 

Post up some pics of your beauties!!

Here's mine shortly after getting it.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...eous/Smock.jpg

Here she is weathered up abit. The grip stills needs to be woodied.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...eous/Done1.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...eous/Done2.jpg

I showed you mine, now show me yours.

OMG!~AGM and shoei??
its hard to find in canada,even u find, u still cant afford ethier!

Very nice Pete! Must check her out at a game.

Looks like but that's his AGM weathered- his showing the before and after.

This is the real Shoei and AGM

http://www.freewebs.com/mitchs-arcade/agmshoei44-1.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/mitchs-arcade/realandbb.jpg

Oops, yeah, it's not a Shoei, sorry about the confusion. I shoulda mentioned it in the first post.

Yupper!


CrackShot, where'd you get the kurz patrone, or is it something else?

Oh, its the Shoei Stg44 replica with Kurz Patrone- Not AEG version.

ahh, I see......nice!

Isn't the shoei a classic?

shoei actually made two types of mp44,one is AEG,and the other is a model-gun by firing blank caps.
seems there is a cap mp44 above.

Memel, who or where were the white stg44 pouches used? Kind of caught my eye and was curious.

I got those repro pouches from MilitaryTour.com a few years ago, but they came in a weird colour(blu-ish, if I recall correctly) , something that I'd never seen before with real pouches from WW2. So, I tried my hand at fading them with a diluted bleach mixture. I dunked them in and before I could count to two they were a light grey, it was real fast (too much bleach, haha).

They're a little too light for my taste, but alot better than the original colour.

Perhaps a darker grey dye job is in order?

Maybe, how could you dye it without dying or damaging the leather though?

glad to know ill have that guarding my back while i use my Kar98k when i finally get my WWII kit together and come to a game with you guys ;)

i forgot to add, i love the weathering look on your gun memel! looks amazing. i almost decided to buy one, but i am instead going to go with an M4. i am still holding out for my favourite WWII gun of all time: G43. If they make an all wood/metal version of that, its as good as sold to me. i will upgrade that to rival my M14 and then i can play WWII all year round.
Winter/Fall = G43
Spring/Summer = Kar98k

Good question.....I'd have to try it and see what happens, haha.

Donster, it looks like we're going to have an excellent season of WW2 airsoft, get your shit together quickly and join us. And don't feel your equipment has to be squared away 100% before you come out to a game. I'm missing lots of bits and pieces and so are others, but we still attend games. Plus, most of us have extra pieces to lend (like in your case, an Mp40, incase you get into a CQB pickle with that k98, haha).

sounds awesome! ill definitely come out with my MC and Kar98k (the deadliest of combos :p) and i would love to try out an MP40 and that AGM of yours. you guys should try some games at wasaga instead of FR all the time.

Pete ,you,ll look good all kitted up next to our german mortor we just got at the museum !

Are you able to post a pic of this item, I'm deadly curious, haha

No not yet its on its way down from the war museum in Ottawa it should be here for the airshow !We will be bring it out to our summer events !

Blast! haha

I'd love to build a repro of a mortar, I guess I'll be taking a bunch of pics and measurements, haha.

Which model is it?

Not sure Doug told us they picked it out on Mon. at the war museum along with a bunch of other mortars and a WW1 truck (FWD)? i can,t wait to see it myself ,finally we are getting some german stuff in !

Nice stuff!

Here's my AGM MP44 after refinishing the stock with walnut stain and Minwax Tung Oil Finish. Now I just need to deal with that orange thing........:rolleyes:

Andrew
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6...refinished.jpg

looking nice!

Thanks! And here it is since I am finished working on it.

Andrew

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/430/rside.jpg

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7971/lsideg.jpg

Looks great, are you going to paint the grips in a wood pattern?

I would like to do that. I'm not sure how to accomplish that to get it to actually look good. Any suggestions on paint type and technique?

Check out this thread....

http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...er=asc&start=0

I noticed the pics I posted have become dead, I'll try to re-upload them ASAP. However, you should get the idea from what was written.

Thanks, I read the tips in that link. Time to start experimenting :cool:

Andrew

I used your tips the best i could.....I'm not a great painter:rolleyes:

Here's what I ended up with. It obviously doesn't match the stock, but I'm happy enough with it! Thank you for your advice!

Andrew

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8971/grip1.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7673/rclose.jpg

Well done! It finishes off the StG44 nicely.

Mine didn't match the stock either.

I wanted a STG44 the very second I heard AGM was going to be making them. Looking good guys. Keep the pics coming!

I ordered mine! Should be here next week. Can't wait to get my hands on it!

It's a great aeg, if only agm would get back and finish the mg42

Here is mine.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...20455small.jpg

Can you get standard/midcaps for it, or only hicaps?

Krieg, looks good! Where'd you get that barrel nut?.......or did that one come with it? I've been looking for one but can't find any.

Andrew

Sadly, just hicaps.

Thanks!
The nut is the one that came with the gun, but it has been sandblasted.

Hmm. I'll have to see if it's possible to make a non-wheely mag for this then.

I thought I'd heard on the WW2AA forums that someone used the guts out of an MP5 mag or something.

Yea I thought I'd see what mag is really close in shape and see what I can frankenweld together.

Make sure you post it if you get anything to work. I have 5 hicaps for this thing and sounds hideous when I'm running around. No problems for supressing fire though!!

Even an Ak74 mag might work. Good luck with it. Let us know if it pans out.

hey...heard AGM is soon to release the MG42 as well as a FG42

Aaah, the preverbial carrot dangling. Been waiting for a while on that one.

im still waiting on an AEG G43. If they made that, i would most likely sell both my M14 A AND Kar98k.

I think there is an MG42 that is out... its pricey though. 3k.

Yeah by Shoei, got a quote for 4k

Will wait for China "AGM"

I am waiting for it too :( , a Bren would be nice as well.
there are youtube vids of Shoei MG in action...nice, but mag capacity is limited and runs on gas.

That Shoei would be cool, but for 4k, I don't want to be running around with an external hpa tank.

Picked mine up today! Holy shit, this thing has heft!

Question though.. I think I might have accidently snapped something in the rear sight apature :(. Anyone know how that metal pin in there is held in (it's curved, about an inch long, two holes in one end). It "pranged" out when I bumped the rearsight by accident.

EDIT:
It also seems my selector switch only works when it wants to. Sometimes it does nothing. Anyone else have issues with it?

Ya mine doesn't have a "safe" you pull the trigger and it goes off! All in all an excellent gun.

My selector didnt work at first either, needed some work. The peice inside the grip can slip off because the AGM version doesnt have anything holding the top of the left grip tight, so the plastic selector peice inside the grip can spring off the metal peice on the selector by flexing the whole left side of the grip(the whole removable cover). I just used a couple of shims to push the metal part of the selector closer to the body so it can't be sprung away enough to not work, now my selector works perfect. I just had to lube the crap out of the shims to make sure there wasnt extra wear.

Ah, good to know. Honestly I probably won't be gaming this thing anyway.. it's just a conversation/awesome/wallhanger piece.

Put a tightbore in it and you can get some pretty good distance out of it!

Now I just need to fix the barrel nut, mine came with a cheap ass orange plastic one. And it isnt even the right one, its a barrel nut of a MP40, not the special one that matches up with the retainer pin on the MP44. Anyone got an idea where I could get one?

I have the shitty nut too. Just primed it and painted it and took it out. Looks great now.

Here's my little project

Bare metal with gun blueing on it... I still have to paint the grip to make it look like wood and stain my stock

I had an hard time getting the gun blue to hold on the foward grip.. and also the barrell thing seems to be in copper so you cannot blue it.. I left it black.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2541/s6302183a.th.jpg

It wasn't long to strip the gun to the metal, I just used some toner and sanded what was left

That's a great job. Looks fantastic!

Really nice!

If I ever manage to pick one up, I had ideas to do the blueing as I blued my AK's.
I was just worry that it might not take, did you have any problems with it bonding other then the foregrip?

Well it's easier to blue regular guns that were blued before

This one took maybe 2-3 applications before it "stuck".. I'm guessing that AGM metals are pretty cheap.

The mags and the main body was easy, the hard part was the foregrip.. the metal part that hold the stock was hard to blue too and like I said the barrel is made of copper so it's a no-go for the blueing process.

I guess I could give it another application or two just to make sure.. I used gun oil after to make it look even darker, at some places it look almost black

I don't have any rust problem yet and I fieled it for maybe 12 games over a year. Every time I clean the gun and put on some gun oil and store it.

I'll post more pics when I'll be done with the stock, the handgrip and some more blueing

I was thinking of doing this also, but having never blued a gun before I was quite hesitant. That and hearing the blueing wouldn't take to some parts. Some Stg44's during the war had an assortment of pieces blued and unblued so it would technicaly still be correct I suppose.
Cabana make sure you post more pics after you have the completed project, I would love to see some details!

D_A

Sure, btw it was one of the first gun I ever blued and I don't know anything about metal.. but I knew that if it turned bad I could just paint it back black.

I'll post more pics, maybe even some of when I'll do the last coat of gun blueing

Duracoat makes a gunmetal blue color that could be applied to metal, copper, plastic, or whatever (even wood.) It would come out looking new, so I am not sure that is the effect you are looking for.

It is Duracoat #63 Gun Blue

http://www.lauerweaponry.com/item-de...olortype=stock

Can anyone confirm/dis-confirm if AGM released 2 versions of this gun?

IIRC... On early models you could pull the bolt back far enough to pinch the wires, and the pin to hold the stock on could come out really easily requiring a little mod of sorts to help hold it in.

Also have heard early versions the wood stock was nasty orange, where as later models are more plain-ish.

For the bolt issue, I'm not too sure on. I don't rack the bolt on it anyway. As for the stock pin, yes, as well as the fore pin falls out easily, very easily. I would like to know if anyone knows if there are replacements out there for them.
My stock was quite orange. Just take it off and remove all metal hardware. buy a stain pen (walmart) and re-stain it. It will look MUCH better.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...5/DSC00133.jpg

As you can see, it has that little thing (no idea what to call it) on the right side.
It holds the the stock pin in very securly.

You can also see the colour of my wood stock, still ugly but not nasty orange.

I havn't touched or modded a thing, 100% bone stock.

Don't worry, Ich habe plane große fur mein STG ;)
She'll look really different when I am done with her.

Yes, earlier versions of this gun had a crappy plastic stock.

well if anyone knows where to find spare body pins, let me know. I'm tired of using black tie-wraps.

Okay mine is pretty much all done, still a few very minor things to do but she is looking better then she did out of the box...

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...afterwork5.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...afterwork4.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...afterwork3.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...4afterwork.jpg

The stock looks darker in person, which is exactly where I wanted it to be.

Over all I am very happy with how it is :)
Next project soon!

That is one pile of sexy awesomeness right there, Kaos! Haha

The gun's looking good mate, nice job.

Nice job John!

Thanks everyone :)

Be warned, this is going to be year of the dark side mwuahahahah
I hope for many WW2 events, or general events with other WW2 guys so I may show off every little bit of my kit as it grows this summer if all keeps going well.

I was going to post "before" shots, but I figured anyone can just google "AGM STG-44" and figure out where it started from.

TSC (farm supply/hardware store) sells a variety of pins suitable as body pins, but be carful they are musch tuffer then gun pins, they are also nickle colored

Where to acquire an MP44?
 

[QUOTE=memel;980925]Post up some pics of your beauties!!

Here's mine shortly after getting it.

Memel:

I have only become interested in Airsoft when I discovered that the MP44 was available. Using internet search I was able to find several US retailers all unwilling to ship to Canada (thank you CBSA!), but no Canadian retailers.

As you have one, your own search process has been much more thorough than my own. Could you direct me to a Canadian retailer?

regards;

Brian Amiralt

[quote=amiraults;1231012]Hey Brian,

If memory serves me correct, I got mine from a private seller in the ASC buy/sell. I'm also out of the loop as to whats available from Cdn retailers. Sorry, not much of a help.

Brian,

Get Age Verified. After that you can check out the ASC retailers.

STG-44's are being sold by a retailer.

That's where I got mine.

[quote=amiraults;1231012]I also only became interested in airsoft when I discovered I could get an MP44. What's that make us......a couple of weirdos or what?;)

Here's where I got mine: http://www.thearmynavystore.net/

Andrew

[quote=Andrew H;1233957]Actually I suppose it make us 'or whats'. I am decades past the age of majority, but have had an abiding interest in this particular weapon since a lad consuming all the texts I could find on WWII German military. This led me to a few years associated with the Canadian military (armor) before moving on to other pursuits. Now semi retired, I am in a position to indulge the odd whim and this is one of them.

As posts made to me and by me recently have been removed, I suspect that I am expected to make no detailed mention of how my efforts have gone. I will say that a site referred to me here by 'leecas' has proven able to supply me with an example, and I have been emailed that this has now been shipped and I am awaiting delivery by Canada Post.

As the supplier does not have biodegradable BBs in stock I will again ask the experts here while I have your attention.

Can you recommend a better brand of B-D BBs that will perform to expectation while not contributing to a failure of the MP44?

Can you recommend a Canadian mail order supplier; or better yet a brick and mortar store in the Ottawa area?

I am considering the use of .25 weight BBs. Given the performance characteristics of the MP44, is this an appropriate weight for the optimum balance of accuracy/distance, or would a different weight offer a better balance?

regards;

Brian

IMO, I would avoid Bio BB's.

BB Bastard is one of the best brands out there that many swear by.
http://www.bbbastard.com/

While I am not at all familiar with brick and motor stores in the Ottawa area selling bio bb's I can say that they are easily available on the web.

From what I understand it doesn't sound as if you'll be gaming with your STG-44. My hunch is you're just going to plink. The big issue with bio bb's is their ballistic properties. Some players game with mesh airsoft masks at certain fields. Bio bb's can shatter on contact with these mesh googles causing possible eye damage.

Bio bb's should be fine to use with your STG-44. This AEG shoots >400 fps and < 450 fps with .20 g bb's out of the box. The stock hop up is nothing special and consideration should betaken to replace it. Try using both .25's and .28's. Maybe even .30's. I have used both .25's and .28's and was pleased with the results.

When you receive your STG-44 you may be disappointed about the colour and appearance of the wooden stock. The stock can be wobbly but that is easily fixed. You'll also see a body pin close to the magwell that is very loose and can easily fall out and be lost. Lastly, there 's good chance that the selector will not go to "safe" which is also fixable. Lastly, do not drop this AEG on concrete. It's made of some shoddy metal.

You got to love the workmanship chinese guns.

If you ever get a lead on mid cap or low cap magazines for the STG-44 you must post in this thread!

Regards.

Mike.

Mike and all:

Plink. Not a work I commonly use, but it is an accurate description of my intentions. Bio BBs are the way I need to go as I don't want the detritus from my plinking to remain on the lawns. Thus I will have to eat any performance penalty involved. Life is an ongoing compromise. I will search out .28 weight Bios as a start.

As to the condition I can expect the piece to be in on arrival; thank you for the heads up. I am already disappointed with the stock colour, but as I dabble in woodworking I already have a collection of wood stains and the intention to alter the appearance of the stock for the better. I know that this will be a satisfying project as posters have already pictured remarkable results.

My assumption is that the wobble in the stock can be eliminated either by the tightening of existing screws or their replacement. I am more concerned with the pin "that is very loose and can easily fall out and be lost". Is there a solution to this?

I have minor mechanical ability, so if there is a selector problem, I expect that this can be corrected by stripping the action and correcting whatever si preventing smooth movement of the switch.

Don't drop it? Actually a better tip than one might imagine. Having spent years using military weapons I know from experience that dropping one on a parade square is more damaging to the operator than to the weapon. I needed to be reminded that the build quality is deficient.

Regards;

Brian

Hey just noticed that my post was removed. First time I have ever been censored. If I broke a rule it would be nice if a Mod would let me know so that I don't do that again.

Brian, let know how the transaction went so I can note it on the Ontario Airsoft WWII Re-enactor's web site.

Brian, let know how the transaction went so I can note it on the Ontario Airsoft WWII Re-enactor's web site.[/QUOTE]

leecas:

I have sent yo a message directly in response to this request. please confirm when received.

Brian

has anybody tried fitting a madbull hopup chamber in one of these? the stock hopup sucks, becomes unadjusted in like 20 shots

I haven't gotten mine yet. But what kind of a muzzle nut does the AGM version have? Is it like the thompson where it can be popped off or is it a permanent one? Just wondering before I order. There's a new company now making parts for the STG and gun parts in general and I finally found some stg muzzle nuts: http://auroraind.net/detail.aspx?ID=88

regarding BioBBs, BBbastard produce the only good quality Bio BB (available in 0.25g and 0.28g) - they have been tested by an independent ASC member for accuracy and consistency - They are equivalent to regular BB bastard as long as they are sealed in an airtight bag (they decompose in the presence of water and CO2) during storage.

I tried them and did my own testing (I can supply my experimental protocol and my statistical analysis to anyone interested) . My conclusion were that a statistically significant decrease in accuracy (full auto burst shot and semi auto shot grouping at 30, 40 and 50 yards became less consistent by about 10% ) was observed only after 24H spend in a loaded magazine.

Mine was an orange plastic nut. Screwed on, left-end thread.

Bomber

mine was a crappy orange plastic POS that is actually off a MP40, not the MP44. The one on the aurora site looks like the real MP44 nut(the STG44 didnt have this peice). Gonna hafta order one and see if it fits.

I just figured you stg lovers would appreciate this
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/933/ohyeahjx0.jpg

Is...that the grenade pistol underneath the barrel?

Not too sure... Is that some sort of Czech or Argentinian lmg style of support weapon?!?

Where the hell did you find that?

Actually these are post-war modifications - I seriously doubt these modifications were made during the war (the STG on the right looks like a RPK)

After further research, these modifications (don't know anything about the one on the left) but the one of the right was seen issued in limited number to Volkspolizei (the predecessor of the Nationale Volksarmee of the Deutsch Demokratic Republic). Other modifications such as version with a folding stock was also produced in spain right after WW2 before another more modern design was introduced to replace it.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...44varients.jpg

Many others post-war variants also exists but they were generally rare and most of them never saw action as newer more modern design replaced them quickly.