Well L96 upgrade help
 

I am a noob when it comes to upgrading guns and all the parts of guns. I have searched around and can't find anything really helpful. I need some help on upgrading the accuracy of a Well L96. What can I buy that will increase the accuracy of the gun greatly? If you could help me that would be great!!!!:D

A PDI hopup, tightbore.

Downgrading the fps to 450fps (Well stock fps is near 500fps I think)

Actually, you might need to change everything in it for PDI parts.

I agree with fox, on a well, if you want to be really effective as a "sniper", you'll want to work towards swapping out all your internals (Even with the higher quality Maruzen this was the case), and possibly doing modifications to your stock.

The PDI hop-up really is the way to go, you'll have more selection for tightbore and hop-up sleeves you use. Had my gun not had an OK tightbore barrel that worked with the stock hop-up with it when I bought it, I would have gone to the PDI.

For internals, when you can go with lay lax for guaranteed reliability and quality. (in my research I never heard of any problems from using lay lax parts). However, research may point you to some equally good, yet lower cost options out there. Keep in mind the equally good, especially for a 'sniper rifle'. It's a niche that's hard enough in airsoft that you really want the best you can afford. And by afford I mean saving up for a long time and making it a year long project if need be.

Also, start your ghillie suit now, it'll talk a long time to make.

(On this note; I already really miss my APS L96. Darn you financial needs! Darn you!)

ok thank you so much! I have looked at other forums before and they said to go with a knew APS2 piston, PSS2 210spring, and a matching guide rod. Are those also good or should i just upgrade on the PDI upgrades? I told you i am not good with this stuff!!!!;)

The 210 spring will have you shooting hot, especially with a tightbore. Go with a 150 or 130, especially if you're new. Also, check with your local club rules. With a 150 spring and tightbore, I think I was around 473. The 210 had me around 560, which I never gamed.

If you do go with the 150 spring, you'll need a 9mm spring guide. (I had a gaurder one that worked fine).

You'll want a metal piston, one that's designed to good quality specs. I had a gaurder in mine which worked well, but it came with it so I didn't do much research on what all out there, so you'll want to check up on that.

As well, you'll want a new piston head (buy 2). The laylax ones are quite good.

When you do assemble it all (it helps if you get the cylinder head tool) , use a good quality lithium grease (not from an aerosol can but from a tube) and apply a thin, even coating in your cylinder, as well as on your piston head, the base of your spring guide, and the inside of your piston. Here's the cylinder head tool I was talking about: http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...APS2_srch_tool


As for which upgrades you should get first (for now) if you're on a budget, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I don't know which ones are the best bang for your buck.

Oh, and don't forget two things. Use a good quality 3-9x scope (you'll appreciate the zoom out feature, sometimes you'll be observing at closer ranges) and, if you go with the PDI hop-up to use AEG tight bores as opposed to the proprietary barrels, you may need to new barrel spacers (plastic things with o-rings) because I believe the outer diameter of the new barrels is different.

Oh, and don't cheap out on the barrel. Otherwise you're better off sticking with the stock hop-up, just getting a new hop-up sleeve (a good stiff one) and something like the OK inner barrel for the L96.

Don't shot over 450fps (chronied with .20g). Even at 450fps, I suggest you play with a stock AEG before playing as a sniper.

A new guy with a sniper rifle can injure players if he make an error.

Judging distance in a 3x scope is not something you learn instantly and in the heat of battle, with the new guy eagerness of having the kill, you will be prone to taking risks that can be dangerous to other people.

QFT.

And shoot your gun at targets. A lot. At different ranges. In game, if you're unused to your gun's capabilities, you can think you're targeting the body, but nailing guys in the head.

ok thanks a whole lot!!! For the inner barrel what size should i get (6.05 6.03 6.01)? What do you recommend should be my starting point? THANK YOU!!!

First of all I'd decide on the brand, and than look at what their options are.

Secondly, decide what brands of ammo you'll be using, and try to find their tolerances. You won't want a 6.01 barrel if you're wanting to use ammo that can have BB's that can be up 6.008 in diameter.

Unfortunately I won't be able to help you too much with barrels if you're going with the PDI hop-up, my experience with AEG type Barrels is limited to ones specifically for AEG's, different requirements.

I dont know if i am going with the PDI hop up...i am still going to think about it. What i was thinking was to start with a new spring, cylinder, and piston. Would that be good?

Sounds good, it'll help get your air pressure consistent, you should also consider a new cylinder head. (also new spring guide).

What spring(s) are you getting? Keep in mind some springs need a 7mm spring guide, while the beefier ones need a 9mm one.

Here's what I did with my APS concerning the hop-up:
The main problem with the APS hopup is it isn't as secure as it should be, it can change throughout a day shooting, requiring you to sight it in more frequently (also lacks side to side adjustment). Other than that I never really saw the need to go to the PDI hop-up (that and I had a good quality inner barrel which fit my hop-up). I would adjust my hop-up to where I wanted it for my .36 ammo, and would use some thread lock (you could also use a small, small drop of clear nail polish) to secure the nut. Essentially turning my hop-up into a fixed one. (Keep in mind: my gun was a Maruzen, so it was very high quality to begin with, I don't know how much difference there is between the Maruzen hop-up and the Well one.)

With that set-up, and all my other upgrades I was able to hit torso's at 175-200' 80% of the time with some wind.(with more practice that would only get better, I know my skill was the limiting factor, not the gun. Also, keep in mind those figures were range figures, in game is very different.)

Just keep in mind, for the first couple games, especially if you haven't played much before, expect to not do that great. I had played for two years before I used my APS a couple games this last season, and honestly I was pretty useless at the start. Even later on in the season I knew I would probably be more effective with my M4, I just had more to learn and more skills to develop. Also, you have to measure usefulness in a different manner than pure kill count. You must consider psychological effect on the other team (once your skill gets up there), and what you can do for observing and recce.

What spring would you recommend I should get? I was thinking of getting between a 170, 190, or a 210. I still can't figure out. If you have any other recommendations or tips that would be great? :)

Where will you be gaming? (If it's with a club, check with their rules) If it's for plinking it's totally up to you.

For me, anything over a 150 is too hot. Our limit is 475 with .2's on a BA.

Another thing to remember, is at those higher speeds, BB's will lose more stability. Going too hot gives you erratic shot patterns with spherical projectiles. I've heard of long range kills with only about 380.

As well, if you're going above 500 you'll want to look at upgrading your trigger sears, which aren't exactly cheap.

I'd reccomend getting something like the 130 for now, and when are sure you're good with picking your shots (hit areas that aren't dangerous, but they can feel it, like the shoulder, rump, etc), and good with maintaining a safe engagement distance, than I'd go up to something like a 150.

For spring power, you'll really want to talk with the people you'll be gaming with. If it's an established group they'll have a set of rules they generally stick with, and if it's a new group of guys, talk it over with them to get an idea of what you're limits will be, and see what other groups do.

ok thank you i will get a 130 or 150 all depends....for the brands....what brand do you think will be the most efficient and most durable? I was thinking of using Laylax but I am not sure. Thanks again!

Oh and I forgot to mention that I use competition grade .28 gram bbs.

I used laylax springs and they were great.

What brand of BB's? If the field you'll be playing at has high winds, you may want to switch to a .36 by Straight.

I use TSD Tactical bb's. And I will consider getting the .36's for the windy days. Thank you so much for your help! If I have anymore questions I will ask you!

TSD L96 clone disassembly should be the same as the Mauser clone? I'm referring to this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJovy1nxd1M

Edit:

I just disassembled my TSD and it's pretty much the same.
However, when I put the gun back together I found that it was actually more accurate than before it was disassembled! Before, I used to consistently get 1" to 1.5" groupings from about 40'. Now i'm consistently getting 0.5" to 1" groupings from the same distance. Weird.
Here's what i did:
-took barrel and receiver off stock
-took trigger system off
-took out bolt assembly
-took out cylinder
-put the cylinder (and everything else) back in place

I didn't touch the inner barrel and i didn't unscrew the outer from the receiver (i'm still having trouble taking off the orange muzzle tip).

Sorry about opening this thread after a while, but I figured this question doesn't deserve a whole thread.

To get a tightbore barrel, a PDI Hopup needs to be installed? Or does the PDI just make it easier to find a barrel because any AEG tightbore would fit? And lol I would have no idea what I was doing installing the hop-up

I believe the PDI hop-up chamber allows you to use AEG barrels which are more readily available (anyone feel free to correct me). With the stock hop-up chamber you can only use parts that are replacements for the original part. I believe that the smallest diameter of inner barrel I've seen for the original hop-up chamber is 6.04mm.

AZNpos531 is right, although there was an OK Inner barrel that was 6.03 (for the stock hop-up chamber), wgc says it was discontinued.

If you've got a clone gun, it'll help a lot to get the PDI chamber. airsoftparts.ca had some in stock last I saw, and they're local to you.

This brings up another question in my mind directed to all you experienced snipers out there. How much difference does 0.01mm make in terms of the inner barrel? Is there any noticeable difference between having a 6.04mm and a 6.03mm inner barrel? (This is of course assuming hop-up, spring etc. are the same)

since you guys are discussing about the inner barrel l96, does any one know what is the original diameter for the TSD L96 inner barrel?

Thx,

I'm going to go ahead and say 6.04 since that seems to be the only diameter that works with the stock chamber.

TSD l96. I put the bb and let it slides down inner barrel, and it seems pretty a good thightbore inner barrel than my stock m16 G&G inner barrel which is 6.04mm.

I tested both inner barrels. (stock TSD l96) I let the bb rest inside the inner barrel and I don't see a big gap around the bb. For the other inner barrel, stock m16 G&G inner barrel has a big gap around the bb. Maybe this pic I made is more clear:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/attachm...1&d=1252256150

I am getting the Mad Bull 6.03mm Black Python Inner Barrel for APS2 499mm. Has any one ever use this inner barrel?

Thx,

Most BB's aren't 6mm. They are in fact supposed to be 5.97 +/- .01mm (or something like that. Depending on brand there will be variations to this).

The best way to find out what size your barrel is (without knowledge of what parts are actually in your gun) is to use a set of calipers. Otherwise most stock guns come with 6.08 mm barrels.

Hey

Should i get a silencer for my L96? which kind? what spring should i get to counter the speed reduction caused by the silencer? what does the sp mean? ( i.e. 170sp) or the ( 210%)

Silencers are only useful if you plan on getting a longer inner barrel, in which case, i don't believe having a silencer would reduce your FPS. SP Refers to the strength of the spring, a higher SP means a stronger spring.

by sp i mean how does it translate into FPS, i do not want to get somehting faster then 500 FPS. Does a silencer reduce noise on a L96?

I use a PDI 210% in my L96 and it gets about 410fps with .20, I believe the PSS2 springs are slightly different. I think 150sp is about the same, but don't quote me on that. A silencer doesn't reduce noise since the noise comes from the piston, filling your stock with foam does pretty well to dampen the sound.

What are all the parts that i should replace? what order? they should sell an upgrade guide for an L96......

I hear Google has some for sale...

I've been surfing google for a while, I'm looking for helpfull coments.

http://airsoftsniper.proboards.com/i...ay&thread=1020

Not that hard...first result.

your awsome

Natch :cool:

I have received my L96 from import-action http://www.import-action.com/sd96od.html, and it is nothing like the video in this tread. the construction looks more like my freinds vsr-10. do i get vsr-10 parts for this?

Hexgon Products makes a hop-up that's alot easier to use than the PDI version (there's only one leaf to adjust rather than two). Just another option for ya, I prefer it over the PDI. It still accepts the AEG barrels.

http://www.hexagonproduction.com/cat...products_id=30

Pics could help determine what's going on here.

http://h.imagehost.org/view/0111/IMG_3020
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0663/IMG_3021
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0083/IMG_3022
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0497/IMG_3023

here are the images :P

That's pretty weird, definitely not type 96. It works in that 96 stock?

yes it does :P I find it odd as well.

Can anyone help with this one?

http://www.import-action.com/gbmosrheweai.html

Is this your gun? O.o

If so.

"Upgrade Possibility: The AGM / JG model's internal is designed by Tokyo Marui so it takes all the VSR-10 upgrade parts."

http://www.import-action.com/sd96od.html
that is, my gun is not the same one on that picture..... mine has the body of a l96 but the canon, firing mechanism and scope look more liek a VSR

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/import-action_2076_59194231

You might have ordered that one but got this one. Cuz it's exactly what you're describing. And researching I've found it is identical to your pictures.

Mix-ups happen sometimes.

I just want to make sure, I should go with a VSR upgrade path right?

Yep, that's my finding.

for the well l96 are the upgrade parts for the vsr

Completly different, check for "Maruzen Type 96" upgrades.

i recently bought a Mauser SR Pro Tactical and wanted to know where i can buy the PDI hop up and tightbore.

Also the fields that im interested in playing at put the cap on FPS at about 450. so would getting these upgrades put me over?

EDIT: i found a site that sells PDI parts for the Maruzen Type 96. that should fit in a Mauser right?