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GreyCoyote December 9th, 2008 10:20

M4A1 to HK416.
 
Some of you might know from my incessant ranting that I'm about to get a CA M15A4 RIS Carbine, courtesy of nwahs. I was wondering what kind of rail unit the HK416 uses, and whether it would be possible to convert the M15 to an HK416 by buying said part. One attractive advantage to this option is that the batteries of the AEG could fit snugly in the foregrip of the HK416, while the M15A4 RIS Carbine (Which resembles an M4A1 with an RIS and an extendable stock) would require a dummy AN/PEQ to hold the batteries, or a Crane Stock.

Teach me some terminology so I can further increase my military vocabulary, like the geek I am.

Styrak December 9th, 2008 10:26

The rail on the HK416 front end will be much higher than your CA receiver, and will not match up.
Don't know if that matters to you but to me it's ugly.

GreyCoyote December 9th, 2008 10:28

Yeah, I guess that would matter. I'm scrapping the idea then. Just out of curiosity, though, I'd like to know what parts I need anyway. I might buy them one day.

EDIT: I'm talking about the receiver, the barrel, AND the foregrip now.

Crunchmeister December 9th, 2008 10:42

As Styrak pointed out, the rails wouldn't line up. Also, you won't fit batteries under a 416 RIS. It fits on there way too tight. That's why all the 416s on the market either come with PEQ battery boxes, or batteries in the crane or full stock.

GreyCoyote December 9th, 2008 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 876796)
...you won't fit batteries under a 416 RIS. It fits on there way too tight. That's why all the 416s on the market either come with PEQ battery boxes, or batteries in the crane or full stock.

Hmm. I saw this video on YouTube featuring the Top Tech GBB HK416. I just assumed the same was true for all other Airsoft four-sixteens.

Top Tech HK416 Features and Firing Test

Cheeseman December 9th, 2008 10:55

You can buy the HK416 RIS handguard from Huang and while people here make a good point about the M15's flat-top receiver rails not lining up with the HK416 rails I believe you can screw off the flat-top rails on your M15A4 and install ones with the appropriate height. I'm unable to check mine right now, but when I got my Hk416 I remember the top rails had a little wobble and I had to tighten the screw from the inside. I don’t have much knowledge about the CA M15A4 (even though a friend of mine had a few), but if the top rails can’t be taken off then you can always look for a Hk416 upper receiver instead.

Styrak December 9th, 2008 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyCoyote (Post 876798)
Hmm. I saw this video on YouTube featuring the Top Tech GBB HK416. I just assumed the same was true for all other Airsoft four-sixteens.

That is not a "GBB", FYI.

Crunchmeister December 9th, 2008 11:05

I've had the rail off my 416, and I don't think I could fit a battery in there except maybe a lipo. Seems this one is designed to have a bit more room in the rail system.

wildcard December 9th, 2008 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyCoyote (Post 876789)
Some of you might know from my incessant ranting that I'm about to get a CA M15A4 RIS Carbine, courtesy of nwahs. I was wondering what kind of rail unit the HK416 uses, and whether it would be possible to convert the M15 to an HK416 by buying said part. One attractive advantage to this option is that the batteries of the AEG could fit snugly in the foregrip of the HK416, while the M15A4 RIS Carbine (Which resembles an M4A1 with an RIS and an extendable stock) would require a dummy AN/PEQ to hold the batteries, or a Crane Stock.

Teach me some terminology so I can further increase my military vocabulary, like the geek I am.

Not a HK416 per say but I did combined my Hurricane HK416 top (front rail included) to my G&P SR25 lower to make it into a HK417 the only thing is that the Hurricane top end is slightly diffrent in terms of material and the paint.

in regards to the battery unless you are running a Lipo you should consider one of the Hurricane 416/417 crane stock

Crunchmeister December 9th, 2008 11:37

Crane stock or full stock is the way to go. I installed a CA full stock on my 416 and run a 9.6V 3800 mAh battery. Originally it came with the crane stock. The gun is a beast. I haven't charged the thing in months and it's still shooting fine.

http://www.societyssorrow.com/_crunc...oy_n_laser.jpg

Cheeseman December 9th, 2008 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 876817)
Crane stock or full stock is the way to go. I installed a CA full stock on my 416 and run a 9.6V 3800 mAh battery. Originally it came with the crane stock. The gun is a beast. I haven't charged the thing in months and it's still shooting fine.

You can't go wrong with full stock :D:
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/q...Picture009.jpg
image courtesy of BORDENSNIPER, taking care of my rifle.

BORDENSNIPER December 9th, 2008 11:53

trying to catch drools from my mouth lookin at that elcan setup..an xm203 and it will make ppl shit themselves...

Cheeseman December 9th, 2008 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by BORDENSNIPER (Post 876828)
trying to catch drools from my mouth lookin at that elcan setup..an xm203 and it will make ppl shit themselves...

Drools at the custom contractor AR underneath.:)

BORDENSNIPER December 9th, 2008 12:02

soon to be Bobbies the Angry Potatos...hes gonna have fun raping ppl with lol, too bad we never tested it out on ppl...or if we did..ppl would just deser the forest from the sheer rate of fire and sound lol

grantmac December 9th, 2008 12:25

That much battery in the fore-end would make for a very hard gun to swing around. Now that crane stocks are available there really isn't much reason to put a battery in the fore-end. This is of course in my opinion, but I think most would agree with me.
Cheers,
Grant

Cheeseman December 9th, 2008 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by grantmac (Post 876847)
That much battery in the fore-end would make for a very hard gun to swing around. Now that crane stocks are available there really isn't much reason to put a battery in the fore-end. This is of course in my opinion, but I think most would agree with me.
Cheers,
Grant

Yes, the Hk416 handguard is quite solid and heavy and could off-balance the front-end of the rifle if too much weight is on it.

BORDENSNIPER December 9th, 2008 13:27

and remember, the body is plastic...too much weight in the front and CRACK goes the gunni....and CRY goes the player....

yes Im bored, shut up lol.

Crunchmeister December 9th, 2008 14:09

I don't think the weight of a battery could crack a body. Unless you're hanging a car battery from your rail system...

Amos December 9th, 2008 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 876894)
I don't think the weight of a battery could crack a body. Unless you're hanging a car battery from your rail system...

... Just think of the rate of fire...

Styrak December 9th, 2008 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos (Post 876905)
... Just think of the rate of fire...

It's been done.

Crunchmeister December 9th, 2008 14:53

lol What do car batteries have? Like 40 Ah? (40 000 mAh).... lol I think that would cause a time warp or something, and BBs that haven't even been fired yet would be shooting out of the barrel...

Dracheous December 9th, 2008 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 876909)
lol What do car batteries have? Like 40 Ah? (40 000 mAh).... lol I think that would cause a time warp or something, and BBs that haven't even been fired yet would be shooting out of the barrel...

Just hide the battery in the "backpack" of ammo ;)... with tonnes of ammo fed up said chain...:D

http://www.epicycle.org.uk/images/minigun2.jpg

T_A_N_K December 9th, 2008 15:57

I have a HurricanE 416 which is all metal with steel barrel. Sucker weighs at least 10 pounds. I had the 416/417 stock and I hate it, I lost the back rubber and the wires would always tangle inside the the stock tube. Ive switched to a G&P full stock and like it a lot better.


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