Get in trouble for selling an airsoft gun?
 

If I sell my airsoft gun to someone, and they decide to shoot up their neighbourhood or for whatever reason get in into trouble with the cops, and the cops ask them where they bought their gun from, could I get in trouble for selling it in the first place?


Thanks.

best suggestion i can give you is get age verified and sell it to someone on here thats actualy into the sport and wont dick about with it.

yes

it looks to real to sell on the street.... just use caution when selling.... if the guy looks like a tool then dont sell it to him....

NO NO PLEASE DON'T

And yes I believe the charge is trafficking firearms or providing firearms to criminals for the purpose of crime.

The last thing we need is a noob with a good airsoft gun out running on the streets. Theres already one guy here who's getting charged and sentenced on Weapons trafficking. Best option is to get verified and sell here OR contact another verified member (who's close to you) to sell on your behalf.

Transferring a replica is illegal, but is still done all the time. If you intend on selling any airsoft gun, at least make sure it's to someone over 18 who's actually involved in the sport. That will pretty much ensure that you're not selling it to some tool who's going to do something stupid with it and get you both into legal hot water.

Okay thanks, I'm gonna try to get age verified then.

Good replies so far, try to use your common sense for something like this. Do not sell to a minor or just some guy who wants a "cool looking gun to show off to his buddies." Get verified and do it the right way mate!! :D

The answer is yes, so you should just gives me all your airsofts, I make sure right homes are found.

Crunch is right though, sell, trade or give is illegal transfer of prohibited items, but then thousands of people speed 10km above the posted limits in Ontario every day and no one typically goes after them for that :P.

It gets kind of fun, debating how long it is before such transfers start to get targeted.

Just sell it. Who say's someone I sell my goalie stick to, ain't gonna bash someones skull in with it.

Do away with the paranoia.

Cash deal. After that you have never seen the gun or the buyer before in your life. Just don't sell it to a tool.

haha.... drive by airsofting?

selling it to a fellow airsofter would be your best bet

I'd be very reticent and unconfortable selling an AEG to someone that does not play in organised events.

I saw some for sale on lespac.com and I was face palming myself a lot.

Dude. Don't joke about that. That's actually happened. There were also a lot of paintball incidents too with driveby paintballings.

Needless to say I believe those idiots got charged for discharging an airgun within city limits where it was not zoned for that purpose (which is why paintball fields in city limits can operate their business) and endangering lives of pedestrians.

Do as you would do whit a real firearm.

You would probably sell it to a hunter, whit papers and over 18 right?

:cool:

I think this topic is insane.
Who says anyone from this site (airsofter or not) has violent or illegal intentions when they purchase an AEG.

You guys are turning into the very politicians that you're complaining about.

The prejudice is astounding.

You missed the point. Most people express a opinion against selling airsoft in the open or to a person unrelated with the sport that does not purchase it with the intent of playing.

Noting political about it. It's just plain logic that other that playing, collecting or for media production (photo/movies), airsoft is of little use except for getting you in trouble.

Who am I (or we) to determine what it will be used for?

Does FutureShop screen you to make sure you are a programmer, not a hacker?

Does Canadian Tire screen you to make sure that camo Krylon isn't for graffiti?

Probably not.


So If I want to sell an AEG, is there a standard interview process you can point me to so I can determine (judge) if you're eligible to own such a device?

So are you suggesting to him to stand on the street corner with this thing, and a $400+ price tag attached to it? :)

You just proved me you have no judgment at all...
No hard feelings but selling a semi-prohibited item to anybody out there is not smart.

Some evil thoughts came across my face when I picked up a gun from a local member. Same thing this past Friday when Duckman and I went to pick up another one.

We both had that grin from cheek to cheek with that slight glint of evil things we could do "on the airsoft field". Of course it also involved a lot of giddiness and outbursts of evil laughter, pause, more laughter, pause, serious bout of giggles, etc...

you guys are wasting finger energy typing this cuz he isnt gonna budge

I have no judgement?

what did you guys have to do to buy your AEG's?

Did you go through some insane test's and such? Or did you get AV'd and bought online from ASC?

You must have instilled that natural trust between you and your retailer, right?

How did you guys prove you weren't going to something illegal?

Come on people! Answer me with something relevant. Don't dodge my queries. Tell me how you did it? Tell me how you screened the people who bought YOUR AEGs.

BTW.... I probably have most vested interest in this topic than anyone else.

Age verification is not proof, nothing is. But it's the best thing we have, and it's very good at "it's job".
To be age verified at least you have to be a member of this site and meet up with someone in person.

+1

A system is better than no system.

Personally, I do not like to sell to people I haven't met. I also do not sell to those I find to be douche-like, I expect no less from the people I buy from, and I prefer to buy in person.

Most poeple here bought AEG from contact from this comunity because they did some research into the sport and wanted to play it.

If you sell online in an unrelated website, or in persone, you risk selling it to an opportunistic that does not intent on playing with the AEG in an organised and controled way and possibly getting in trouble and putting yet again a bad face on airsoft.

What's hard to understand about that?
If you don't consider that when selling your stuff outside the comunity, then yes, you have a bad judgement.

When I meet people to age verify them I sit down and talk to them about what they know about airsoft and where they intend on playing.

the AV process is a little bit of a screen... It keeps the people that "want a gat for street cred" to a minimum.. The AV system and the prices of airsoft in Canada are like a filter... Some kid who just wants a gun to threaten his friends isn't gonna go through the process of getting AV'd and then pay all that money, where it would be easier (and most of the time probably cheaper) to just purchase an illegally stolen REAL gun.

holly crap, your logic is so flawed it makes my head hurt! you are compairing a perfect replica of a gun to a computer..... WTF is wrong with you.... just cuz we are still able to play and use our airsoft doesn't make it legal... selling any illegal item is... well illegal i cant understand how you are comparing the two!
sell on ASC verified section or go to a local event, maybe some one will be interested!
ignor dragwindsor, he is ignorant

personal note: never sell dragwindsor a gun.....

dood you arent gonna convert his logic man spare your fingers the typing

I'm pretty sure I won't be needing your services anytime soon.

I'm just saying that NOBODY can judge a persons intent. And obviously you don't sell to people with known issues, or under-agers.

As for Amos's comment. It's not your job to do any of that. Your job is to verify AGE not character. : facepalm :

Im with Dragwindsor on this one...

Even though its a better idea to sell it to someone within the community, you can sell it to anyone you want who is over 18. For god sakes, it might be a "weapon" in our eyes but in the end it is still just a toy that requires you to be 18 to own.

So, if the person was 18 and over and payed legit then it's okay.

Do you think stores that sell knives are made responsible when somone uses their knives for murder? Not if they were 18 when they bought it.

Although, technically, you aren't even allowed to sell it to anyone without declaring it, because then you're selling under the table and feeding the underground economy...you bastard (this is a joke).

Think about this logically! How the hell can you be responsible for someone else's illegal actions that COULD happen weeks, months even years after they purchased a legal product from you? You aren't a mindreader and the law doesn't expect that of you.

I could sell my buddy power tools, but im not going to be responsible if he hacks up his wife with them.

Just use your judgment when selling it, obviously you wont give a sniper bb gun to a crackhead.

I'm actually with Amos on this. A good through screening is probably a good idea.

TBH I've met so many asshats here (in RL, who ARE 18+) that I would never trust with airsoft let alone paintball or a nerf gun. Honestly it's really in the AV'ers best interest to screen the people they AV.

I didn't have to go through a process with my verifier but it was basically:

- Let me see your ID (records my info)
- So you're into airsoft huh?
- Well I guess I'll see you on the field later.
- Then a bit of random banter (which could have been a gauge of if I should really be AV'ed)

All in all it took like 15-20 mins.

So if the AV thinks yer a tool, you're not going to be able to buy pieces off of ASC?

They are allowed to judge if you are capable of safely owning an AEG?

Who has granted them this power?

Yes.

And for the second part, the community/admins on this board.

Time and situation permitting, I try my best to screen people for douchebaggery as best I can. Simply being 18 does not mean you're a responsible adult who isn't going to go around with these things in public or otherwise behave in a manner that is detrimental the sport.

I care more about people's safety and the future of Airsoft in Canada (and as a whole) a hell of a lot more than disparity of authority.

Being a verifier isn't just about verifying age, they must also verify maturity....

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=49408

Will someone please show me where anything other than AGE verification is mentioned?

Are you serious?
It's not written down somewhere. It's just common sense that Age Verifiers have. Why do you think they're Age Verifiers in the first place?

... Sure it's not my "JOB" to judge some one's character... But I wont verify or sell to anyone that I think has a malicious intent. Airsoft is already in a gray area, I don't plan on helping push it towards the "BLACK."

I see it as a CYA thing. I wouldn't sell a gun to just anyone because the act of selling that gun is illegal. Yes, we all do it all the time, but for the most part, it's to other ASC members or to members of the airsoft community. We're not guaranteed that the buyer won't go out and do something stupid with it, but there's a reasonably good chance that the buyer, being part of the ASC community, is going to be using the gun either as a collection item or to actually partake in the sport, and not go knock off a convenience store with it.

That's the part that would get me worried. If I sold a gun to an unknown person and the buyer does something stupid (like use it to commit a crime) and gets caught and then reveals to law enforcement who he got the gun from, then they can technically come knocking at my door and charge me with selling a prohibited device. For me, that's a BIG issue. As unlikely as it is to happen, the possibility is there. When a crime is commited with a replica, then charges are laid just as if you had sold that individual a REAL illegal firearm to commit the crime with. And to me, taking the chance of losing my secret security clearance, cushy government job, pension, my POL and my real steel, and getting another criminal record (after getting a pardon), etc is really not worth it. And then there's also the potential repercussions to the airsoft community if the crime commited is serious enough, and law enforcement decide to crack down on airsoft guns.



As an age verifier, I won't even age verify someone if they appear shady or immature and just wanting the gun to show off. The last thing ASC needs is to give some gangsta wannabe access to replicas so he can go amuck with them, and then it comes back on us. And this is actually encouraged by ASC staff to not just grant any asshat AV status because he's 18.

Anyway, just my 2 cents' worth on the topic. Take it or leave it.

I'm with AMOS.

If I go meet someone to be verified and he's a gansta wannabe or something clearly not fitting, he's going to prove himself to be morally competent to own such a toy.

I'v refused to forward infos of select occations where I judged the persone to be a possible threat to the comunity or the society at large. And you know what, you never heard of it because I was 100% right all the time, they never came back complaining since they don't give a shit about our systeme and they probably ended up going somewhere easyer (harder way, depend on how you look at it)to find a showpeice to impress tha hood. Most other verifiers, when they make that call, are allso 100% right to my knowledge because I don't remember reading about someone complaining of being refused verification other than the fact that he is underaged.

We function a bit the same way as the federal do for licensing gun owner. Only, we don't rely on laws, only on rules.

thats tthe funnyist thing in this thread....

p.s. i know funnyist isnt the way to spell it but i dont care....

I was asked by a friend of a friend to buy him an airsoft gun ( glock 17 or 19 ) since he has no clue how to get one except that canadian tire doesent sell it and he knows he cant order one online himself. Hes kind of a young "gangsta" type wannabe so I dident trust him one bit. The $ he offered for one was almost double what they go for, but I decided to tell him I couldent get a pistol like that at the moment and he quickly moved on.

Basically, if theres any doubt in your mind you may be selling or loaning your airsoft gun to the wrong type of person... just dont.

good for you demco11, greed can quickly ruin the fun for everyone.

Thanks for the answers, Im looking to get age verified tomorrow so I can do it the standard way.


Do you guys know of cases where people get in trouble for selling these things?
I know for sure theres that post in the frontpage about the guy Will Wong who is about to be sentanced in two weeks (i dunno what he did, must've been some crazy dealing).

No. The Powers That Be has not demonstrated any tendencies to target individual sellers, only businesses. Unfortunately, Will was a business.

Will Wong's case is quite a bit different from yours. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but if I remember correctly, he ran a store in Vancouver that was raided by the CBSA and RCMP and shit just got worse and worse from there for the poor guy. I never had the privilege of meeting him and his store got raided the week before I was in Vancouver to go and check it out. But still, slightly different in the extent and intent. you are a person looking to do a private sale whereas he ran a business. Hands down I would say, cover your ass and go the route of the ASC Classifieds.

LOL!

And I'M the ignorant one.

He (theshanaler) obviously has no clue.

zatss radecolus

i clearly have a clue seeing as i use logic, i know its a mystical thing that is impossible to get threw your thick head, but learn to think.... ignorance is bliss.... enjoy blissfulness....

Will you please sell me a gun? :)

Are you a complete idiot?

Psssst....he's an importer.