Hello everybody, I am the service guy from Pantac
 

Hello guys,

My name is Dany. I am here to serve you representing Pantac.

Firstly, I appologize for my poor English. I am not a native English speaker. Please forgive me for any possible mistake of spelling or expression in my post.

I have spent two day on reading each thread involving Pantac. I am grateful for those who supported and are now supporting and will support our products. You are the only reason that we can survive. I am also appreciated to those criticisms, because they are the reason that we keep improving.

I do understand that most of you may doubt my identity. Sure it is hard to believe that I am from Pantac only by my user's ID and my first post. You are welcome to try me with any questions about Pantac. Or it is permitted by the forum rules here, I may post some new product for previewing.

I am here to serve you, so don't hesitate to ask any questions about Pantac to me. I get paid for that job, right?

If there is anything wrong with your exist Pantac gear, please let me know;
If there is anything missing from your newly arrived Pantac gear, please let me know;
If there is anything you are not sure about the Pantac gear you want to buy, please let me know;
If you have any suggestion on Pantac gear, please let me know;
Most important thing, if you have any dissatisfation with Pantac gear, please do let me know.

I appologize again for we don't accept any retail or wholesale orders, because we have to focus ourselves in manufaturing. If you have any sale or pricing questions, please turn to our dealers or distributors, for example, Redwolfairsoft and WGCshop. I will be really appriciated if you can understand that.

So here is my first post, and I hope it will not offend aganist the forum rule. If there is any offence, dear moderator, please forgive me and let me know.

Thank you again, guys. Play well and stay safe.

yours sincerely

I love my Pantac gear. Good price and quality!

Love the quality of Pantac, awaiting the delivery of my third Pantac vest.

OHhhhhhhh PANTAC, i read the thread to fast, i was like why the wtf is pontiac on asc

Wow, ASC is getting alot of members around the world. Neat.
Welcome to ASC.
Used to have a Ciras, getting a Wasatch soon.
Great products with great prices.

Really appreciate your products, and recent attention to detail in some cases such as colours matching real world products. Keep up the good work.

I have a couple of Phantom/Pantac products.

Vests aren't bad for repros, similar quality/build to Blackhawk.

The older pouches left something to be desired in terms of build, but I recently picked up a more recent (PANTAC vs. Phantom) Admin Pouch which looked like it was built more solidly so maybe that issue has now been resolved.

I also noticed the PANTAC Coyote Brown is a very good match for CB498 now, glad to see that.

You should also consider selling vests without all the pouches; I've considered getting a new plate carrier in proper Coyote Brown instead of Khaki, but the inclusion of a bunch of pouches I don't want/need makes the price uninteresting (actually after shipping from HK it costs about the same as the real Eagle product).

Pantac ey... can you make double magazine pouch for G36 mags???

i was curious... does anyone have the pantac lbt 6094 repro? i've never owned any repro gear, i was wondering what it looks like on someone. i was considering this vest, but i'm not sure about commiting to repro gear.

pics?

lol...i did the same thing so don't feel too bad :D

Like Drake said, your recent products look really interessing in terms of quality...

But here's two things I think that can improve your company...

1- Make a website

2- Your next product color/line should be Ranger green/RLCS...:D

i second the ranger green. and a website would be a good place to showcase everything in one place.

+100 on having a complete online catalogue.

+200 on that ^

EDIT: OH look!
http://www.pantacgear.com/

I as well would like to see a good repro of ranger green.

*Cough*CADPAT*cough*

this pantac gear guy is able to read all your replies but somehow he said he cant post replies or start new threads with his account. any mods know anything about this?

Here's some Pantac Phantom love for ya

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...3/P1010033.jpg

Is the muiticam made from GENUINE INVISTA 1000D MULTICAM CORDURA or is it a Realistic multicam pattern clone.

sure, all of our Multicam products are made of Crye's Multicam.

check out this picture

http://www.pantacgear.com/~combat/pr...pantac/008.JPG

http://www.pantacgear.com/~combat/pr...pantac/011.jpg

Thanks, Lisa

Thanks, all respectable ASC's administratives.

At last, I can reply posts and create new threads.

Thanks, guys, I am really appreciated your great help.

eventually:

http://www.pantacgear.com/~combat/pr...c/rav-rg-1.jpg

http://www.pantacgear.com/~combat/pr.../mbss-rg-1.jpg

http://www.pantacgear.com/~combat/pr...c/rrv-rg-1.jpg


guy, you can ask Redwolf or WGC for the brand new Ranger Green gears. They just got all the samples. It may take them 2-3 weeks to take pictures and upload them.

Thanks for all good suggestions.

We have just built up a website, but it will take us a long time to update it. We have over 3000 items in different colors. We have to take pictures one by one. What a tremendous mission.

I would love a Wasatch vest in Danish M84.

You guy's really need a North American Distributor. I Really like dealing with Redwolf BUT I am getting shipping quotes back from them that are just out of this world. For exampe Two pouches shipped for $36 USD. With current exchange rates it's killing me. Unless I am doing a big order it's cheaper for me to buy the real deal one piece at a time right here in N.A. I like your gear but my wallet doesn't (by that I mean overseas shipping and currency conversion). Now if you need pictures of your gear...send it to me I have a home Studio and it can support any size of vest you have no problem :P LOL.

Do the PANTAC MultiCam CIRAS vests actually have the small MultiCam tab on the material somewhere to show that it's legit?

Loving my Pantac vest. Will probably pick up a second one this season.

Question:

Will the Pantac MP5 triple magazine pouch be available in black? I have a black CIRAS for indoor use and would very much like to get MP5 pouches to mount on it.

sure, the shipping cost kills. That is one of the major problems we have to face. We do have dealers, Airsoftsmith:http://www.airsoftsmith.com/. Maybe you can ask them for help.

It is a great regret that we don't have dealers in Canada.

Sure there is Crye's sewing tag on each Multicam products. Damm, Crye only provide 3 tags for one yard of Multicam fabric. We have to spend a lot for extra tags.

Thanks for you support for Pantac products and I can arrange a special order for you though we don't have mass production of black MP5 tripple pouch.

But do you think it is worthy to burden such an expensive shipping cost from China to you?

hey any chance you can provide more pictures and or details on the new Pantac T.A.B. and the LT 6094 A? they both caught my eye and the T.A.B. might be the answer to a pack I've been wanting to buy
cheers

it's good to have the manufacture involved in forums across the world show's you that they care and welcome to the forums liking my pantac holster gotta buy another one now

thanks for your inquiries, buddy,

the TAB pack is some sort of replica of TAD pack, but we make some difference.

the size of the whole pack is 46x35x15 cm

weights 1.5 kg

the whole package includes a backpack, a cummerbund, and some small accesories, such as the detachable front panel for fastening a rifle or camera bipod.

All of Pantac products are made of 1000 denier 35T*29T fabric, or Crye's Multicam Cordura, except those with material specified in the product name.

Of course Ykk zippers, ITW buckles are adopted.

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about the 6094A vest, please refer to the following URL:

http://www.pantacgear.com/pantac.gea...uctid-101.html

any further questions, prompt to me any time.:p

I want that backpack!

hey thanks for the info, any ideas on when it will be available to purchase, money in hand ready to buy! I'm sure it will be priced a bit better than the tad pack

I already have a TAB pack on the way (the distributor I got it from actually called it a "TAC" bag... I don't see any differences in the product, though). It's sitting in customs right now.

Can get more if needed, in various colours.

Question, does that little pouch hanging from the bottom of the last picture come with the bag?

owww how much and from where?

$215 - Khaki
$215 - Coyote Brown
$230 - Olive Drab
$370 - Crye Precision Multicam

These are landed prices in Canada.

If you're looking for a cheaper option, Huang has a lower priced replica available in tan and black, but the build quality is nowhere near Pantacs.

Thanks for your support, buddy,

the detachable panel in the front is included.

Are the old Phantom MultiCam CIRAS vests made with real Crye Precision MultiCam, just like the Pantac ones?

Ah, the Phantom Multicam.

It is quite a story.

We started Phatom in 2005, we designed the logo, we marketed them. But in late 2006, the factory who helped us to make those products took the Phantom brand to register by theirselves without noticing us. They started to use our material to built Phantom products and tried to sold them to our distributors. Of course we cut our cooperation immediately, and started our own factory to market Pantac.

When we were still Phantom, we have not real Crye's Multicam fabric. We got supplies from Crye in late 2007.

To be frankly, Phantom is no longer related to us. And we are not sure whethere their Multicam is real or not.

I researched this gear for a bit, and it looks like really quality gear.

Here's a review/comparison to other Chinese brands from Redwolf.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?reviewID=187

Pantac gear, as far as stuff coming out of China-based companies is top notch and some of the best that you can get.

It's even better quality than some issued goods.

If the Pantac gears are as good as my Phantom CIRAS M in OD, then I'll be looking forward to doing business with them

Do you have 12 shell MOLLE Shotgun pouches in OD? That I can put in place of my Admin pouch?

Thanks alot.

Do you sell the new Pantac Multicam CIRAS with all the pouches included too? Where can I get one in Canada?

Pantac is better than Phantom.

The materials and build quality have improved since the change.

Don't know if anybody stocks them, but I can order it for you.

Are you looking for the marine version or land version?

I've retracted my previous statement on their quality and revised it.

Do you mean this one?

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=22203

First, I think Pantac products are great. That being said...

This makes me LOL.

Phantom, which ripped off Eagle, got ripped off by the factory ripping off Eagle, and created their own ripoffs to undermine the Phantom ripoffs...so Phantom rebrands their ripoffs as Pantac.

So essentially you ripped off Eagle, and then the factory you assembled to sell Eagle clones cloned your clones. Not to be outdone, Pantac has now expanded to rip off not just the big manufacturers, but the little guys like So-Tech, HSGI, and the niche guys like LBT. Hey, if ripping off one company works, why not steal all their designs? Heck, you don't even hide it...when your products are marketted with the ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER'S PRODUCT NAME under your product code and Pantac label.

Ah, capitalism.

Anyway....the quality is great and the price is right. Even if the product is less than original. As a gear DESIGNER and MANUFACTURER, I'm sure you can understand my frustration.

Ah, eventually, inevitably, we have to face the accuse from gear designers and manufacturers.

Sure, I am fully understand your frustration. And I am aware of the outrage from those brands we are pirating. I am really sorry about that.

I won't find any excused for our pirating. Actually their won't be any excuses for what we have kept doing.

But the fact is that, there does exist a market place between real thing and crap replica. And we happen to be the most famous replica maker.

We keep trying to solve this annoying issue, for example, we try to make our own design, though it sucks. Maybe, you can help us to solve this by selling us your design, or sell us a lisence to make your product, or we can produce items for you at a very low cost and signing contract for your exclusive products.

After, I know what we are doing is wrong. If it will may you feel better, I will accept any blame. The fault is all ours.

I am sorry, man, I am terribly sorry.

:banghead:

As I said, I like your gear and frankly that's capitalism, isn't it?

You're absolutely right about the price point. If you can do it faster, cheaper, and at similar quality, it's going to sell. It's as much the fault of the big guys for pricing their merchandise the way they do.

Capitalism is producing a product, better, faster, less expensive or more advanced to beat out the other competitors.

Capitalism is not breaking copyright, patent laws to beat out the competitors.

It's one thing to come close to a design, it's another to do exact copies including logos.


Some have no choice if they want to continue to sell to the US military. They need it produced in the US or no government business.


If you go this route, talk to MadMorbius.

PM'd.

In OD.

Honestly, I have to wonder how much the "big boy" gear manufacturers actually care about airsofters using cloned gear, beyond the knee-jerk "zomfg infringement" reaction. It's not like any of those companies ever produced something with airsofters in mind and the market share they lose to companies like Pantac is a market share they wouldn't have had in the first place.

Those airsofters who do care for the real deal items DO go out and buy bona fide Eagle and whatnot; but for the average player for whom $600+ for a CIRAS is NOT going to happen? Eagle never had that sale and companies like Pantac are offering players an affordable lookalike product for their hobby. Repro gear isn't taking away sales from the real target market, no one in the military or law enforcement switched to Pantac, and it's not like Eagle had a cheaper Consumer-grade line of products. (I actually do support Magpul since they actually bothered to do something for airsofters; IMO they have grounds to complain about knocked off items.)

+1

Preach it brother.

That's still on my radar but the gear shop frankly has taken a back seat to my family for now. I still intend to get some stuff mass produced at some point.

If you designed a product, went to the trouble of having it tested and the production templates made, then sourced the production and managed the entire marketing cycle of that product, it doesn't matter one iota who steals it and who they sell it to.

Not *exactly* the same thing, but "Wyvern" did this to me a few years back with a chest rig I modded for a customer. The basic rig was fucking useless, but cheap. I reinforced it, added molle panels, enhanced the shoulder straps, added all kinds of funtionality to it and wouldn't you know it, a few months later the "Improved" model showed up in eBay stores, with all my modifications "standard" on the new model.

FYI, the only place I posted those photos was...ironically, here on ASC.

Many companies don't bother with international patents.. and with the manufacturing and economic boom in China.. its not surprising that the enforcement of Patent laws will lag behind the drive for profit.

The West has a refined legal procees for maintaining design and Patent integrity..These laws are literally centuries old. in the "wild east" of capitalism no such traditions exist...

Without the internet to open up international markets for every producer of manufactured goods none of this would be an issue. But thanks to Globalism and the internet Everyone competes with everyone planet wide.. and in some places its not a level playing field.

For consumers this means wide selection and lower prices.. which is good.
For manufacturers it means serious threats to profitiablitly. Which is bad..

For me.. I prefer "real gear" from top end companies.. but I have to admit the PANTAC stuff is approching that quality.. I would not call it "repro gear" as much of that is costume... PANTAC seems to be making real gear suited for real use. but at prices that are hard to ignore.

The reality of the matter is this:

The main reason why Pantac representative is here, is because they need to expand market exposure in to this side of the globe. Why do they not have exposure here? The big reason has to do with legalities, and as you've all mentioned, there is this big issue of patent law on intellectual property that is being outright copied. No store is willing to sell these products for fear of repercussion from the owners of the copyright.

There HAVE been cases of North American distributors being prosecuted by the big boys of this industry. I'm not going to mention who the players in that case were, but let's just say one such defendant was an ASC member.

Truth is... Pantac has GREAT workmanship at an unbeatable price. They may not have the most original designs and concepts, but that's where the designers come in. China's greatest resource is labour and manpower. Just look at the value that went in to the Beijing Olympics opening and closing. TENS OF THOUSANDS of people were doing it voluntarily, and that was China's ways of showing to the world: "We have manpower, and we can use it."

Are they the most original? No. But one thing they're good at is building the stuff. If you have ideas for gear and want to look in to getting it mass produced, look towards Pantac - they have the resources: manpower, labour and material AND their build quality is top-notch considering the price. Many contractors and operators around the world DO use Pantac gear. For the price to workmanship ratio, it really is hard to beat. If it's good enough for real world use, then it's good enough for an airsofter.

Original gear designs CAN make it to North America, where dealers are SAFE from legal issues and will be able to sell your product on this side of the globe. If you have ideas, pitch it to them.

Now THERE'S capitalism for ya.

FTW! (yes...I ripped off the pic from Redwolf's site instead of posting my own original... ;))

http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload...840-TN-A-L.jpg

w00t! Go Airsoft Innovations!

Im not only finding china based retailer's having quality product's at very affordable price's but there customer service is just as good if not better then retailer's in canada.

Hi to all!!

Before reading all the thread i have to ask to pantac: Have you on mind to release a smoke green line? You have all the paraclete line in repro.

In other terms, i give you some ideas for your bussines:

1- You can release "Combat Kits" as RLCS, SFLCS, MLCS, FSBE II and selling as it. So you can sell a FSBEII kit with a MBSS vest and related pouches, or with the RRV+Backpanel (your actual backpanel is wrong, i think you know it), or with the CIRAS. Diferent vest, diferent amount of related pouches, diferent pouches and diferente prices. All this, on a deployment bag, and well it could be awesome.

2- Make the modified backpanel for your RAV vest and sell it with the actual kit (the RAV and all his related pouches) There are too many players who wants to make a JTF-2, CAG/Delta Force, AFSOC impression with your "paraclete" stuff, but it´s needed on Smoke Green and with the modified backpanel :D

3- Look for the correct RRV backpanel, i´m sure you sell more of it if it´s the correct one.

That´s all. The only thing i had to add is: your gear rocks!!! i have all my gear on pantac stuff.

If you want to, you can PM me.

Rgds

I'd argue that last bit, I've had great success with shops in Canada, while most of the Army Surplus shops really only have whats left of slim pickings for old stuff and offer very little in the way of new-age gear. There are some shops that will still carry loads of it. Oneshottactical has been great for authentic gear for me, though I will say they do fall victim to the same thing others have that turns me off from buying gucci or expensive kit and thats the long ass waiting time when you order something out of stock or they don't often carry much of. RNicholls upsets me the most with such waiting times, as they forecast MINIMUM 2 month wait times when ordering gear, unless its on their shelf or in their warehouse ((which I'm starting to think is VERY VERY Small, since it seems to never have anything)) you're better off cutting loose the want for said item or go back to trolling Ebay and the interweb stores for it.


I'd love to see full kits that come in a deployment bag that is not only big enough to store just the gear but also with said pouches loaded so that literally one could simply load everything the night before ((mags and such)) toss the bag in their truck and off to the races. I'd also like to see such designed bags sold separately as well, since some us already put together all the bits and pieces.

Now I wouldn't suggest copying thread for thread, but I will say that Blackhawk has one design I do like, and thats this Medium A.L.E.R.T. Bag they have:

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Med...ag,241,133.htm

http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogIma...41-IMG1_L.jpeg
http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogIma...41-IMG2_L.jpeg

I'd like to see possibly a large version of this myself, as I would very much like the idea of being able to slip an M4 or carbine, possible even my 249 Para in a sleeve into the bag as well as all my gear with room for a bit extra. I really like how it unzips own to two halves, as this creates such an ease of use for one to open their kit and be able to get to things with ease. A single large case that one has to dig through to find things often can lead to loss/missplace/ or just get frustration that you can't find it to assume its not there when it was one pair of socks away. I'd ALSO love to see it in a couple different colours, Coyote Brown for one :D.

Hey! another couple of things

1- M4 Shingle in RG, CB and Khaki
2- AWS CQB vest
3- CIRAS LAND in RG and Short, Medium and Large size

I´m agree with sell the vest without pouches. By this way someone could buy the complete vest (with pouches) or only the vest.


Rgds

Any local Pantac dealers?
1337Tactical still lists their product as Phantom.

They already do this. It just depends on the distributor and how they decide to package the product.

thanks for your advise. And, thank you for supporting Pantac products.

We have tried to provided our distributors or dealers with kits you suggusted. But we were turned down. We are told that no one wants kits.

I don't know. May be we should lauch those kits on our website.



What is wrong with our RAV back panel? Would you please be so kind to PM me and send me some pictures?

RRV panel, I assume you are talking about the Eagle style one, right?

Looking forward to your reply.

I think he talk about this ''modified back panel''...

http://www.optactical.com/pabapawseonp.html

And here's another suggestion...Make the RLCS cummerbund for the RRV...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ure2001901.jpg

I see the official announcement news for Pantac Ranger Green products. I did not realize that was a new colour. In any case, I already have a RAV in Ranger Green on the way for an in depth product review and photo spot.

You'll see the review article either in the Gear & Clothing section or in the reviews section. I'm excited to see how it is, as I have not handled one of Pantac's vests yet.

Well, maybe you have to put a poll on airsoft news, airsoft canada, arnies airsoft... and ask to the people if they want it, and then you can offer the kit to your dealers with the poll´s results.



Your backpanel it´s ok. What i mean is that you can make and sold separately or together with the vest the paraclete RAV vest modified backpanel that is the same that -Per- has linked. This backpanel could be very useful and cool.

Yes, i mean the eagle style one because this is the right one :) for the RRV. Most of the your RRV user´s have to buy the original backpanel for it that cost the same as your RRV, use the RRV without the backpanel, or sell the RRV. If you make the right backpanel, all this people could bought and afordable backpanel with high quality build.

Again, thanks for all!!

That back panel does look pretty cool...

If I'm not mistaken that is the back panel and cumberbund off of the Eagle PC. It's a straight on attachment. So if Pantac offered those pieces separately that would be nice.

First of all, thank you for the great work you do. Love your gear. I have a few ideas/suggestions.

1) More US/Canada distributors. I've been buying from AirsoftSmith for years. They don't always have the best stock on hand though. Ordering from places like RedWolf and ScopeAndLaser is just not cost effective. Maybe expanding to AirsoftGI or AirsoftExtreme. I guarantee your orders would go through the roof.

2) Take a look at both Eagle and DBT's Coyote Brown. Yours is a bit off. Seems to be too dark and have a bit of a green tint. The only thing stopping me from buying a CIRAS Land in CB is that fact.

3) Any chance of seeing the new Army IOTV into production any time soon?

Like I said before though, great work. I've actually used some of your gear on my last deployment. I will continue to by from you guys, just wondering if a few changes could possibly be made. Thanks again.

thanks for your support for Pantac products and your great suggestions.

Actually we have had the IOTV made for almost one year. But the ACU fabric will arrive in March, so we will lauch our IOTV in ACU in April or May.

You put black buckles on the ranger green line :( ...

I noticed and was a bit disappointed in that as well...

I´m still sugesting the manufacture of AWS CQB vest in foliage green and coyote, AWS DA vest (most know as trauma vest) and maybe PBPV gen I and gen II.

And the backpanels for RRV (the eagle style) is needed!! People it´s paying the same price for the original panel as your RRV.

And the backpanel for the RAV could be fine!

A great big +1 for that, I would love to see replicas of those vests made.

Another couple of vest ideas, both from blackhawk ind.:

- DOAV vest, but the old version, not the new one with molle system.
- URBAN ASSAUL

And then... PT-1 BODY ARMOR :-)

I asked about the black buckles on the ranger green products and its because of IR reflectiveness. The black buckles dont glow like the other ones do.

Well...It's just airsoft...I don't care if the black buckles are better or not...

Put the black buckles on khaki product and the tan one on ranger green product like Eagle does :)... Pantac products are replica after all...

ITW/Nexus has IR signature reduced buckles... called "GhillieTex", and available in all our favorite colours....

They may replicate other designs, but you'd be surprised at how many real world operators actually use Pantac products now.

Thanks guys, for all of your suggestions..

Talking about the buckles on RG series..

That is a dilemma to us..

We do want to put on Tan buckles on the RG series, but actually our professional customers ask for low IR reflection. Unfortunetly, our Tan buckles glow in night vision.

I don't know what to do..

Help us to make a decision.

Talking about new products that Coolheart mentioned, anyone help us to get the original one? We won't make products from pictures..

Help !!!!

''Professional'' doesn't buy from RW or WGC...I think ?... So make a tan run for thoses websites and a ''private'' black run for the other guys... :) ...

Another suggestion... Why not sell textile ?...Like, one square meter of textile...It's pretty hard to find CB, RG, and khaki textile...Good, bad, it's just an idea :D...

Nest to the idea from Per... why don´t do uniforms? RAID uniforms are very apreciated and wanted for players, but the few repros on the market are of very poor quality, when it´s very easy to do one of high quality. I know a US shop that ship international, and sell original propper woodland BDU and DCU at less than 50USD the whole set. And they do disscount for big orders! So the only thing to do is buy these uniforms and RAID´ed it.

About the buckles propossal from per, again a big +10 for this.

Rgds

I would love to see a replica of the USMC Scalable Plate Carrier in Coyote Brown. It's basically a modified Eagle PC w/cummerbund, and side SAPI carriers.

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/2008...plate-carrier/

I was just reading through this thread and noticed the comments concerning the color of the buckles on the ranger green products. I just picked up a RG colored RRV from Scopeandlaser and the buckles are indeed tan and not black.

As a side note the quality, as usual, is superb.

yes, we have changed the color of the buckles following your suggestions.

Any plans to produce the RRV back panel in RG?

There is now an RRV backpanel on sale at redwolf! At the moment its only OD but I'm assuming there will be more. Also, Pantac says they have plans for more RLCS gear but are working on getting originals

Are there any plans to get a proper distributor the the UK?