Review: Save Phace (finally, low profile paintball goggles?)
 

I picked up a pair of Save Phace paintball goggles this weekend. With more and more fields requiring paintball approved goggles, it's hard to find a set with face protection that's good for airsoft and has a close cheek weld.

It seems a lot of people are looking for a low profile goggle / mask with face protection specifically for airsoft, (not counting tactical goggles which some fields do not allow anymore) but until there is an approved standard for testing / lenses for airsoft - it will probably be a while before we see something that's perfect for airsoft.

here's the link for Save Phace

http://www.savephace.com/Tactical/Tactical-Masks

They sell a variety of different masks, some with thermal lenses, some with replaceable foam fadding, colored lenses, and their big thing which is colored graphics on the mask portion of the goggles (ranging from some cool camo patterns, to some very lame designs).

Some interesting features
- low profile goggles
- hard shell mask
- ANSI and ASTM approved (mil spec and paintball approved)
- single and dual lenses available
- graphics

I had already read and heard some feedback on these, mainly from the paintball store owner who's a friend of mine, so I trust his feedback. Paintballers have disliked these goggles for 2 reasons: ventilation (there's not many holes) and the hard shell mask. Most paintballers like the idea of a soft mask, so that paintballs can "bounce" (ie: if you get hit and the ball doesn't break, it doesn't count).

For airsoft, the bounce issue isn't as important, but ventilation is. but with more vents comes the possibility of BB's coming through the mask, which diffuses the purpose of face protection in the first place!

First off, I compared the Save Phace goggles with a couple other goggles I own: I have a set of JT Flex 8 (the full coverage version is often cheaper than the regular version for those interested) which has the same "goggle" portion as the good old JT Spectra. I never intended to wear the full head coverage version, I only bought it because it was a good $20 cheaper than the regular Flex 8. I just simply removed the goggles for airsoft purposes.
I also have a set of V-Force Grills, these are a single lens paintball goggle popular with tournament players due to the soft lower portion.

Here's a comparison:

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For starters, the Save Phace is the smallest goggle / mask in comparison with the other two goggles (just in terms of surface area).

The Save Phace mask also has a removable forehead shield. You need to take the lens out first, and access 3 small Phillips screws with a short screwdriver to remove the shield.

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The second thing I compared is side view size, again the Save Phace is much smaller in terms of overall size (even if you compare it to the Flex 8, imagine that the "helmet" part was removed).

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From the top view, the Save Phace is the "thinnest" or lowest profile in terms of distance from your face to the front of the lens. The Grill comes second and the JT is thrid, being VERY thick. It's almost double the thickness in depth. While this might be great for people that wear glasses and want to fit them inside, it's not great for the lowest profile.

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The lenses are held in place with an intersecting plastic spacer, and then the spacer is held in place with a Fastex like clip. This is fairly secure and similar in design to the "quick change" lens removal of the Grill masks.

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In comparing overall lens height to the other goggles, again the Save Phace is the smallest.

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Now, since I'm not a magazine or something doing a review, I wasn't going to take my brand new mask and start plinking at it for the sake of this review. I haven't had a chance to play in a game with it yet, but I will update this review when I do.

The first thing I did want to check was see if BB's could penetrate the mask. The mask itself is a rather hard plastic. It's not flexible at all, so I would think it would be fairly durable.

Placing BB's on various portions of the mask, I found that none of the openings were big enough to allow a BB to penetrate.

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This is the upper vent section (by your forehead). Again, the openings are too small for the BB's to go into the mask.

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Compare this with the Grill. It had huge vents in the front, I could fit BB's through about 8 of them without much effort. With 300FPS or higher BB's, these could easily have pushed through the mask portion.

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Testing BB penetration on the Flex 8 was good, they have made the slots smaller and the plastic they've used is harder, this prevented BB's from going through the mask on any section.

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In terms of fitment, I found that the Save Phace allowed the tightest cheek weld for me compared to the other 2 masks. If you look at the front view, the "chin" area conforms to your face as opposed to coming straight down like other goggles / masks. + 1 for Save Phace.

I have a smaller head and a narrow face, and I found the Save Phace ones fit me well, but some people have complained that their chin actually touches the lower portion of the mask since it curves back towards you. Some people have also complained about the lower portion of their ears being exposed. Not an issue if you're wearing a shemagh or some kind of balaclava.
Again, you should really try these (and all paintball goggles on) for fit before buying them if possible.

I find that the biggest culprit for fogging is a poor seal around the cheek nose area. As you exhale, the hot air comes up from your mouth nose, and it gets trapped in the goggles area. Without good ventilation or dual lenses, the hot air inside mixed with potentially cooler / humid air outside means fog inside.

The goggles fit my nose / cheek area perfect which is rare. I actually have issues with fitting other masks. In terms of fogging, the Save Phace website claims that their goggles do very well against fogging, but are not "fog proof". Their single lenses use a fog resistant coating on the inside.

The single lens V force goggles have a similar single lens design, and also has anti fog coating on the inside. I've only ever fogged up on the V Force Grills on rainy days, never on normal dry days.

I tested the Save Phace ones by running around my backyard, and I even wore them while mowing my lawn in the backyard (35 mins worth). The lens did not fog, but the ventilation was an issue. The lack of holes definitely dampens the performance of these goggles. A major issue for some, not so much for those that take them on and off a lot.

The only other thing that I think detracts from these goggles is the finish. there's an odd satin like sheen to them, which kind of diffuses the purpose of camo if your mask has highlights on it.

I haven't played a game with mine yet because I will be taking them apart and doing a CADPAT paintjob on them, and then matte coating them. There is a green / brown graphics version called the "Hoorah", but I want mine to be true CADPAT. Updated pics to come! :D

In closing, here's some pros and cons:

PROS:
- approved with Mil spec and paintball standards
- good cheek weld
- low profile
- good protection against BB's
- OK against fogging
- some camo patterns available (Multicam, etc..)

CONS:
- ventilation: not eough holes
- small size might not work for people with larger heads
- single lens comes standard, you need to buy a thermal dual lens seperately

that is all really good. i would like a MC mask. But can the new mask lense stop a .40 cal bullet like the grill? i might pick up the MC one. but the Grill really is one of the best googles out there. Next to this one here, it is the smallest.

This surprises me... I have personally shot the same type of goggles I wear with a .22 Hornet and the bullet didn't penetrate the lense. That's not good enough for airsoft anymore? Or is it the fact of not have the face shield aspect?

Typically it's a paintball field insurance issue. Non-paintball-approved goggles aren't covered by their insurance. It has little to do with the actual ballistic rating of the lenses in question.

Donster: the Grill is pretty small but I have found 2 issues.

1. if you're buying one for face protection, the vent holes are still big allowing BB's to penetrate and possibly hit your face / teeth

2. the curved "brows" of the mask stick up a lot. It will interfere with wearing any headgear like helmets (for those that want as much of a Mil sim experience as possible) it will not let the brim of the helmet sit low enough, but if you don't wear a hemet - no problems.

after you use these for a game, please tell me which you prefer: the Grill or this mask. I would be really interested in your opinion. Great review btw! really informative and thorough :)

is it possible to take off the goggle and not use the mask...

Donster, will do :)

Skladfin, no you can't remove the goggles unfortunately (they aren't 2 seperate pieces). I mean, you could if you cut the bottom half of the mask off with a Dremel if you wanted to. You could do the same with the Grills too.

Hi! I have a Save Phace mask too. I just wanted to share that I tried shooting at the lens and the mask with a 360fps gun at about 6 inches distance. It was just about 2 shots each but there were no marks I could see.

I've skirmished with it once and compared to my old JT Nvader, it does offer a better cheek weld but it was still difficult to use the iron sights of my MP5. I think its because the MP5 iron sights are just too low. I haven't tried it with my M4 yet since it's still under repair.

As for the fogging, I live in a tropical climate and I didn't experience any fogging during a 30-minute game.

It's the -10 Celsius days I'm worried about. I'm full of so much hot air, I could make a mesh mask fog.

That was a joke, btw. ;)



Oh - and nice washing machine, panda.

any word yet on how these stack up to the grill in battle?

I am curious to see how a boonie and a baseball hat looks like with the head shield removed. Wondering if you could take a pic of yourself wearing this mask with a boonie. My biggest beaf with paintball masks is that headgear, as the aforementioned, are awkward to the point of useless.

I"m in the process of getting a save phace mask, I read some other reviews from other sites and i'm quite convinced this is the Mask for me. A guy ran the shower for 10 minutes and then put the mask on and had no fogging at all
.. quite extreme but I think i'll take the review's word for it considering it is an Airsoft mask.

I was wondering where besides www.savephace.com could I purchase one because on the site it says "cheaper at your local retailer" anyone know someone who can supply these in Canada?

Check the B/S/T section I have had a set for sale for a while now, I think there are a few others as well.

is this a paintball approved mask, by all Paintball fields?

yes. im actually selling a MC one if you are interested. PM me

Could we get a picture of it removed from the mask?

Gonna bump this one.

I am looking for low profile goggles, not a mask in any way. With my current goggles, I can't get very good cheek weld. This makes it very difficult to quickly look through my irons, or any low-medium height mounted optics.

Would my best bet be to get the Save Phace and then chop off the mask portion? Or get the Vforce Grill? I need Pball approved goggles, and every pair I have tried so far just did not cut it.

Does anyone Sell the Savephace lenses... the lenses thermal lense that came with my mask did not fit correctly and both anchors did not snap into place


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The single clear lense works Fine, but I live Canada and I need that thermal lense it's December!!


All in all the mask is super lightwhieght, the Digi All terrian pattern looks nice, I can fit my glasses underneath it perfectly, I can look down my RDS fine and as for head Gear I can still wear my PASGT
Swat helmet with the forehead protector on

- like the last review said it's ASMT - SE approved, they shot a quater inch ball bearing at the lense at 450 fps and it only dented the lense.

If you are shot from 10ft or less in the lesne it's recomened you remove your lense prior to next game.


- Cons - you need some really thin ass screw driver to remove the forehead protector to attatch the Visor, I recomened using something thats megnetic.

- Cons - Not so much the a Save phace issue but, I had to pay 50$ COD from customs to have it shipped from texas

- Cons - My mask showed up with one of the anchor pins cracked...


anyways just looking for lenses now, it's not a mask for everyone given face shape but it works for me!!

Really good and in depth review. However I did try a pair of these on myself and was not impressed at all. The fitment was horrible since the seal around the eyes is a solid density foam and didnt seal around my face. There were gaps around the inside corners of my eyes,that right there was the deal breaker for me, I quickly removed these and wrote them off. For my eye protection I trust nothing less than the Jt spectra proshield with thermal lens.

Fair enough bro, like I said it's not for everyone, and it's not a flex fit
but it worked for me, and the big part was being able to have my glasses on inside the mask or else I'm shooting at people that are already hit walking to the sidelines cause I can't see shit, thinking i'm pinned down and thier out to get me!

lol

However I would like to add though if you pick up the digi camo and the yellow mirrored lense, and attach the visor, you look like masterchief =)


Thanks for your input though mate, i'm dealing with their corperate esculations guy, we had a converstaion earlier and i guess his extention goes directly to his house.

Must be nice living large working from home..

Is it still possible to use iron sights with these masks?

i am afraid not...

JT-Flex... I just picked em up, They are really good. The V-force Grills can stop a .40 I got a pair of those. Jt-Flexs are really nice though.

Just a suggestion to you guys, get the JT proflexes if you want some thing that is paintball approved and that you can shoulder. You can break the goggles in half if the field allows half masks and if they dont the mouth protector is flexible and can be folded up so you can shoulder you weapon. I may do a review.

couple of questions:

1) are you actually able to to cheek your weapon to look down your sights?
2) how well does it match up when you wear an IBH, MICH, or other types of head gear
3) how comfortable is it?
4) any issues with forging during winter games?

Thanks.

Warning plug for the DYE i4 mask ahead:

If you want a small mask with great ventilation the DYE i4 is a great option. I have used both a save face and the i4. Save face although small as shown in the op are in my opinion one of the most uncomfortable masks I have ever worn. Not only are they uncomfortable in the way they rest on your face they hot in comparison the i4. my biggest beef with paintball masks is that most seem to direct your breath up into the lens, fogging it quickly. The i4 is the first mask I have worn that diverts your breath down and out of the mask making it cool, comfortable and most importantly not fog. The i4 has a very small design allowing use of most iron sights. Also the i4 which only use thermal lenses are virtually fog proof even in the toughest conditions. During an all day milsim I had to run up a hill on a really foggy morning. I was already breathing hard at this point because the humidity levels were close to that of a sauna. I was breathing very hard after that run but was surprised only two little patches of condensation had begun to form in the top corners of my lens. After a few experiences like this one with my i4 I will never use another mask. The philosophy; fogging=death must have been the motto for dye engineers while designing this mask.

Sorry to take away from the review but opinion and discussion are the principals that a forum is predicated on.

Hey Supermohawk, you say that you can actually use your iron sights on your gun with these masks? I just have not been a ble to find a mask that allowed me to actually look down my iron sights. which really sucks! Been using the SYKES mask but alot of of the fields wont allow them.

I have used the i4 with some different ironsights: M-4, AK variants, MP-7 (sights flipped up and stock extended) and G36K all without trouble. Ok the MP-7 gave me a bit of trouble.

I use one of these. Very comfty and flexible. I can use the sights of all my guns with no problem.

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Who sell it ?

Its a Sly Profit. You can find one in any major paintball retailer.

How do you like the sly profit there SuperCriollo. Do you find it good lower face protection. Seems like the air slits are nice and narrow and im particularly looking for a cqb mask myself.

+1 for the save phace. I wear wide prescription glasses , no problem and i like the fact that it fits real close to my face. I think this leads to less jiggling while running.