HK 417
 

I'm going to attempt to make a custom HK 417. As of now, I'm still trying to figure out what to do about the butt stock, grip and assorted details. I came across this gun while looking into German assault rifles. Not a fan of the M4, but a lover of the G36, this struck me as a really interesting weapon. A great cross-over if you ask me. I'll try to post pics of the finished product, if it ever comes out right ;)


http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...hk417_12-1.jpg


Cheers.

sweet man. im a g36 fan as well and seeing this model gets me excited about buying a new gun. good luck with project!:D

Uh, you realise that this is chambered in 7.62, therefore you will have to dremel you upper and lower in two, add lenght, glue and finish in an estetically pleasing way?

Oh, and that ain't a G36 mag...

Hurricane makes a 417 style butt stock.
http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...roducts_id=365

Best wishes on the build, to my knowledge the only kit out there that changes a lower reciever would be the hurricane SR 47 kit that is no longer in production, atleast I dont believe it is, Im not sure if anything exists out there that could even change a lower to accept g36 mags.

Best of luck.

Like surebet, I'm wondering how you're going to get a 7.62 armalite lower.

Yes, I know there is a ton of work to do and it'll be a looong project but the end result would be well worth it, for me at least! And yes, but the G36 mag would do well enough, and if not, a Sig 552 mag.

Thank you so much! :o

That saves a lot of trouble!

purchase an sr 25 body and mod it.

they keep calling it a g36 mag.... what kind of mag is it really?
the only clear mag i can think of other than a g36 is a sig mag

face fucking palm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_HK417

Ah yes thats right, I forgot that G&P has an SR 25 reciever out, I believe G&G makes one too and Classic army just has a full build SR 25. Its still more work than I can fathom to make it work though. Its not like the BB feeding holes would line up with the hopup, shame there wasnt a mag well mod to make the lower accept the mag, sorta like how G36 series guns can get the adapater to accept armalite mags.

Tell me you're not that dumb.

And yeah, an SR-25 body may work as a base. Not sure though.

Whoa whoa whoa. This is airsoft buddy, anything is possible. If you don't think that it can happen, wait awhile.

What you don't seem to grasp is that the magwell is insanely larger that a regular armalite magwell, hence, the complete destruction and reconstruction of your gun's body.

If you want clear mags, find another way, this is a retardedly complicated mod if you intend on being able to field it.

Also, armalite mags, sig 552 mags, and g36 mags are all WAY different. And they're also completely different than 7.62 armalite mags.

If that is what it takes, then so be it. However, this is just the beginning, Im only just thinking about how it will work, when everything is on paper and I have my materials list, then I can worry about any problems I may run into. Thanks for the tips. I would not have considered this if I didn't have any experience in airsoft modding.

Well you better worry about that one before you trash a perfectly good body.

Yeah. Might work on paper. Real life? Not so much.

But good luck with that. You'll need it. Lemme know in a few months :D

Also, that mag does not exist in airsoft.

No, a G36/Sig/whatever mag is not an acceptable substitute if you're building a fricken' 7.62 platform.

Ok if he can still not grasp the idea that bullets are not all the same size, take this picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:30-30.jpg
The one on the left is 5.56 used by g36c, sig 556, m4a1/m16 and many more.
The bullet on the right is 7.62, see the difference?

could he just cut the tops off and affix them together? like so whats up in the magwell is the top of an m4 mag but what hangs out the bottom is a sig mag?
or like take apart a g36 mag and put it over an m4 mag. i dunno id just give up on it if i were him

RRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look, please keep all of your doubts and negative opinions out of this thread. I did not post this as a 'help-me' thread, I posted it as a declaration of my project. So please, wait for the photos like happy people.

well hes probly gonna end up with something thats all cut up and uglier than a duct taped ak or hes gonna end up with a gun and a bunch of parts he paid a lot of money for that are no longer usable

Ok. But maybe you should actually do it first and THEN tell people if it actually works. Which by the sounds of it won't cause you don't seem to grasp the idea of 5.56 vs 7.62 and the limited amount of parts we have to work with in airsoft.

Seriously, riddle me this:
Non-existant body
Non-existant mags

If you haven't done enough done enough homework to figure out that you will have to do a reciever for all intents and purposes from scratvh *couch*illegal in Canada*cough* and design, prep and build a whole new mag system and somehow manage to make this fieldable, you shouldn't post a "declaration of your project".

As for as this idea goes the only thing I can see even remotely (and I mean like almost god damn near impossible) working is mating a 416 upper with a SR 25 lower and only God can imagine what the alignment differneces for the hopup for the mags would be.

Plan B: Get a Sr 25 full build slap a 417 stock on it, some HK style sights and just keep telling yourself its ok!

This would be the best plan.

Still, SR25 upper =/= HK416 lower as far as the lenght goes

Good god...When you undertake a project like this, where you try and create a gun that doesn't exist (yet), most of the time, you start from scratch. It requires you to make most of the parts yourself, and take things apart if need be. You do not go out and purchase a group of items that you think you can magically piece together to create your weapon. Grasp that.

Yes, but in this case it's a complete scratch build that is required. Complete.

It doesn't matter.

I am capable.

This gun will be made.

Perhaps you should just put questions about your abilities to rest by posting pictures of your previous projects, since you claim to have experience in modding.

Showing the caliber of your previous work would go a long way in establishing credibility and silencing your critics.

Right right, sorry its late and I must be half to sleep already, I was thinking SR 47 which uses and AK hop for some jackass reason. I think I was thinking about internals lining up, either way its to late to try and absorb all this, Im going to bed.

Three melded springs! Im so sorry I totally could not resist.

I'm just waiting for the inevitable "how hard could it be?".

i can see his next thread being a "my gun is broke" thread or a "what parts do i need to fix all this stuff?" thread in the doctors corner

to be honest im kinda hoping he can pull it off just cus i wanna see it made

Communist you might as well give up right now. every one knows that you cant make your own airsoft guns/parts it's impossible. just look at candyman from Arnies Airsoft he failed epicly the first time he attempted to make a
WA 2000 from a Western arms GBB, i bet it doesn't even weigh the same as the real one.
http://www.ukmonsters.co.uk/oldmadwe...umbs/wa228.JPG
http://www.ukmonsters.co.uk/oldmadwe...ics/wa2000.htm

This is airsoft it does not matter, if you think you can do better than go do it. if not then shut up.

He could take a SR-25 and put the 417 stock on it, put some H&K sights on it and use a sharpie to color in the trades and call it a 417.
Or he could make all the parts he needs from scratch. the point is it doesn't matter!

i think that thing actually looks kinda neat though it needs like an upper handguard and a longer barrel, but i dont understand where the mag goes. also the bipod looks ugly

The facepalmery in this thread is intense!

You've never seen a WA 2000 have you? It's an actual gun.

eh eh FAIL :)
it's a Walther 2000

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...her_WA2000.jpg

or if you are a fan of the G36 series, you can just buy one of those?

pppfffffrrrrrrr this thread reminds me of the kids who could not even build their own legos and would ask for someone else to do it.
its tchoo cumplikated whine whine
dont do it you might learn something.

If that's the G&P, expect to pay up to 1000 for the body alone.

;)

Juggelz talked me out of it a year or two back.... lol

My version of the HK417 are basicly a G&P SR25 with a Hurricane 416 Stock, PSG style grips from KA, I tried putting a 416 front(JG) it looked like an ugly bastard so kept the SR front and currently in the look out for a HK front sights to make it closer to a 417 other than that you will have a hard time finding parts that fit or you could always resort to one off custom job that cost more than the real steel counterparts.
in any case good luck with your build.

Buy a KA MRF... It's the closest thing to what you're looking for....

nice one! good luck with that and send some more pics.

the first version of the 417 used g3 mags same shit mighy be easier

Yes it is. It's a nice body too. :(

The G&P SR25 URX (the one I own) have something similar so after trying the JG I decided to leave the original back on as they are the closest thing to the 417 look

The G3 magazines are a different size from the M4s unfortunately.

There's a magwell conversion kit for the G36 to use M4 mags, but I've e-mailed the makers to see if they plan to produce any for other models, such as the M4.

That's kinda the idea. The G3 fires 7.62. The M4 does not.

Hunh? To convert an M4 to use G36 mags? Why would anyone want to do that?

I converted a 416 to take M4 mags, does that count?

Lulz.
It would be more productive.

strange how you can tell that but you cant tell the difference between a g36 and an m4 mag
i dont think it would even be possible. the m mag conversion for a g36 is just a dif magwell cuz its magwell is removable. an m4's is not. theyd have to make an entirely different lower
youre joking right? my 416 takes all my m4 mags

*whooooosh*

This thread is just facepalm after facepalm.

@Communist: You seem to not be grasping -- and not because many people haven't tried explaining this already -- that the HK417 is chambered for 7.62x51mm.

HK417: 7.62x51mm
G3: 7.62x51mm

HK416: 5.56x45mm
G36: 5.56x45mm
M4: 5.56x45mm

7.62x51 on the left, 5.56x45 on the right (forget the middle one):
http://tacticalmoose.com/pic/2671836...0Bdqvav_ph.jpg


The first thing you may have noticed is they're very shiny. You may also have noticed 7.62x51 is a lot bigger.

This is why people are trying to tell you you need to modify the receiver to make it longer, or use an SR25 receiver, and why you need to use the larger G3 mags and that G36 or SIG552 mags won't do, or that M4 receivers won't do. Get it? If you're building an HK417 but it's using 5.56x45 mags then its an HK416. The WHOLE POINT of the HK417 is that it's chambered to 7.62x51. It's like a KAC SR-15 vs SR-25.

Aaargh! /facepalm

do the real steel bullet sizes even matter really when it comes to airsoft? airsoft mags are just the size they are without any bullets in them so id think the size of the mag itself would be what made the difference but i guess the bullet sizes tell you relative mag size differences

They matter in that their size (length, mostly) determines length the magazine needs to be for them to fit. And since airsoft is trying to realistically replicate their real steel counterparts, it matters to airsoft in terms of appearance. Otherwise we would just stuff 10,000 BBs in a big hopper.

This is why I love airsoft. Too realistic.

Does anyone know what he's trying to say?

Something about the size of the bullets are the size of his *****?

.22 short?????

I'm not going to say that this isn't possible, cause I'm sure the right person with drive and skills could pull it off. However extending an Armalite receiver that much is pretty risky. Not only do you have to make it longer, but also consider the alignment of mag to hop-up, and clearance of the gearbox.
Goodluck on your build, but just be aware of all the circumstances before you start chopping. Keep us updated.

Please... for the love of god...just stop.

Well, you've earned it.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...d-facepalm.jpg

I still don't think he gets the caliber difference, since he keeps talking about using M4/M16 and G36 mags.

I think he'd end up building an HK416 the hard way and call it an HK417. Like people who once put SR25 front ends on M16 lowers and tried to call it SR25.

Rumor mill says JLS had plans on making an HK417 - even still - I'd wait until a little larger of a company decides to reproduce it.

Not that JLS is bad or anything - my FS2000 was an OK gun - and quite comfortable too.


You get what you pay for, is all.

I approve of what he said, this is the post that made the more sense in this whole thread.... sorry guys.

Has anyone ever thought of telescoping bullets, one minute its 5.56 then you give it a yank and then it's 7.62?

Or maybe add water and they swell up like the foamy pets?

You could have a 416 or SCAR L one minute and then presto a 417 or SCAR H!