Underage airsoft and the new parts rules...
 

So...
When i Heard the news that the buy and sell parts section would soon be becoming age restricted i thought it was too bad, I personally am underage, but i try to be responsible with my AEG, but thats not important, I'm curious to the ASC's thoughts about this subject...

Do you agree with making the sale of parts and accessory's 18+?

Agree or not, this was a decision a long time coming and the admins of this board thought it appropriate.

And that's pretty much the end of this thread.

Well I don't see why we should restrict the selling of red dot sights to minors, I do think that minors should not be allowed to buy anything that is restricted to import, such as receivers. Restricting the parts section makes it just that tiny bit harder for minors to get their hands on a working airsoft gun, and so it is a good thing.

Yes, but how would they go about classifying what can and cannot be sold to minors? It's easier for the mods to use the same coding for the AEG and spring/gas gun restriction than it is to create a new section devoted for underage parts.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I support the decision. Non age-verified individuals were taking advantage of the loophole in the system and building AEGs from parts - closing the parts area to non verified personnel was a smart move.

The thing is, if an underage member was patient, they could basically buy all the necessary parts to build an AEG from the parts section. It's been a "back door" to the age-verification system that I'm sure has been quietly exploited by more than a few underage members. I was a lurker on this forum for about 2 months before I signed up and got verified. I discovered that hole before I even signed up. But being 37, I figured just getting verified would be a better idea... LOL

Seriously though, there were many parted out guns sold that were only a few minor (and easy to get) parts short from being a full AEG. I'm sure that someone with the money and attentively paying attention to the parts section could probably assemble a full MP5, Armalite or AK from parts bought from different sellers in the matter of a couple of weeks if they wanted to. In that sense, I totally agree with the decision. Any parts that an underage gun owner could need are legally available new in Canada without age restriction, so a place like www.airsoftparts.ca.

On the other hand I can sympathize with the loss of access to cheaper, used parts and accessories. And it's never any fun to lose privileges you once had before either. It sucks, but it was done for good reason.

You know, if the parts & accessories forum were split, the parts could be kept age-restricted, but the accessories section could remain open to all.

If your too young to be verified, get a parent of yours verified.

*EDIT*
Why not just make the sale of receivers/body's 18+?

That way kids can still buy everything else, but without a body you cant exactly build a gun.

But why would you need to buy everything else but the receiver, if you're not supposed to have the gun anyways? Red dots, mags, sling loops mean jack without the gun, so what's the need for these things?

This discussion is moot. The admins made their decision. It's done.

Age verifiers aren't supposed to be verifying PARENTS of people.

And yes someone could easily build a gun out of parts on the classifieds, if they know how to put it together.

The only parts that people can't get anywhere else easily are receivers, which are sold in the classifieds fairly often. No receiver, no gun.

i approve of the making the parts and accessories age verified only!

Anybody can be verified as long as they are 18+ with picture ID.

Parents included.

There is nothing wrong with selling a red dot to a minor. Because of the shaky legal position of airsoft in this country the community self-polices itself in an effort to ensure its continued survival. To that end, this decision was made.

Taking one for the team eh? :D

Good thing you aren't an age verifier then.

less then a year to go for me so fuck it why not lol

I can name one hitman-esque member who definitely has taken advantage of the loophole.

Subtle...

why, what ever are you talking about...? *innocent voice*

I'm not talking about anything. That would be rude.

I'm implying however... :)

Well, posession of an airsoft gun by a minor is NOT illegal. Only SALE to a minor is. If a parent wants to buy their kid a gun has every right to do so. Now, I personally say that the gun should be in the parent's custody at all times except when it's to be used, and then under parental supervision only, but not all parents feel that way. Hell, I had pellet guns when I was 13 or 14 and my parents couldn't give 2 shits about me having them as long as I didn't do anything stupid with them.

So kids can legitimately have airsoft guns. They just can't buy them themselves. And I agree that they should be allowed to buy all the necessary parts to build their own either.

Yupp.

But he also got his MP5 from shootsoft.....

:rolleyes:

i like the idea because i was scared to buy from a non verfied seller...clears that up. also if the non related airsoft sale thread is for verfied only why not the parts section...

I'm wondering why the gear section isn't age verified only as well now.

+1 to that. It just makes me feel better knowing I'm buying from someone 18 or older. Simply a maturity thing. Lets me know I've got a much higher chance that I wont get ripped off and not have some 12 year old think he can just take my money and not ship me a product.

You don't have to be 12 to ship a block of wood or a rock in place of the item you're expecting...

But with verified members, you know someone, somewhere, met this guy, and it'll be possible (and probably pretty easy) to track the scum bag down.

Add to that the fact that they could possibly also sell in the other sections (or all sections), giving them some trader feedback sooner/more often, which in turn gives you peace of mind to buy from someone.

+1

For the record, the only people who would have a problem with the parts section being restricted to age verified people only are the minors

My spidey sense is tingling, indicating that the restriction in question is both reasonable and effective.

It's simple logic my friends, you shouldn't need to buy parts unless you have the gun and you shouldn't have the gun unless you are over 18. Therefore only people over 18 need to see the parts section.

Please read the FAQ on age verification. Parents have been turned down more often than not.

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I'm very happy to see this happening. If you have someone legally resposible for you (underage players) who play the sport you will have no trouble getting what you need.

In the past two weeks I've taken my nephew to buy parts for "his" gun, He's happy and underage. I'm legally responsible (and his mom) for his actions and with the ASC support he KNOWS the beatings he would get comes from my team, not me if anything were to arise :P

He plays WITH me, no babysitting for other players to worry about.

Again, there's nothing illegal or wrong for a minor owning a gun if it was acquired for them by a parent.

so then the parent can buy them the parts...

Pretty sure sales of any airsoft is actually ILLEGAL in court, ownership isn't. Personally no comment on the age-verified whole thing.

I agree on it from the standpoint that a lot of other folks have used in that I feel safer spending my money on something from a verified member who'd ostensibly be old enough and mature enough not to screw around. Besides that, verified members have to at least meet in person with a verifier anyway.

Correct. When I say it in that way, I mean air guns in general, from clearsoft to pellet guns. Even though the law doesn't include actual airsoft guns, that's the law everyone refers to when they claim it's illegal for a minor to own guns.

Just because you're verified and 18+ doesn't mean you're mature and responsible. There have been countless number of douche bags that were verified (and later revoked). Likewise, there are those that are younger than 18 who are responsible and mature. But overall, the age verification helps weed them asshats out.

But the move to restrict the parts and accessories section helps cover up the loophole where a number of users were piecing AEG together from parts. While receivers/parts could have been separated so non-verified members can access the accessories, it would've been a nightmare to sort out (administratively). As well, going along with logic, if you're not old enough to buy the airsoft gun, why the need to buy parts and accessories for it? It's like buying car parts when you don't even have the car yet (or when you can't even legally drive).

While it may come as an inconvenience for some, it was the sensible thing to do. Plus, if you need an accessory, there are plenty of other sources to get them: for example, go on eBay and hit up eHobby, they have a large amount of accessories and for decent prices. Many members on ASC have shopped from them before.

Usually the people who bitch about the age restricted sections are the restricted 18- users.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=24187
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=22395

Been there, done that. 18+ was always on the table, the recent "complete guns minus a small part" partouts were just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Someone once posted that if someone was meticulous and mature enough to assemble a gun from parts, it shows maturity and all.

You know what shows even more maturity? Waiting until you finally have 18 candles on your cake.

wow, thanks for your input guys, i guess my thoughts are this.
Trying to control the flow of most parts and accessories to minors this way is useless, they can just buy them from airsoftparts.ca. Bodies seem like the only thing that should be reasonably restricted and I agree with that, but things like springs and and lights? My point goes with what Crunchmeiser is saying, Its illegal for minors to but them, not own them, and in my case, when i got my AEG as a gift, i was hoping to integrate myself more into the ASC comunity by buying my parts here, not from a store...

well...when you turn 18, you can integrate all you want.

alright fine, wait i shall...

And now they are. All the other crap is just in the same boat because it would be a nightmare to try to administrate it all.

alright, i guess thats fair, thanks for all your input guys

I was shopping throughout the Parts/Accessories Section (and gear section) long before my Age Verification (which was quite recently). During the wait for my AEG (last summer) I purchased those little nessecities like mags and a random other accessory or two. I could have been Age Verified at that time, but wasn't (I was old enough). It would have been hard to find the deals I did if Parts/Accessories was closed off to me.

Basically, I'm saying that the system isn't perfect (we know that), and there are still some gaping holes where Age Verification doesn't reach (See Northwestern/Northern Ontario, Northern Canada, and essentially anywhere where there isn't a major city (thus eliminating some of the best places to play)). Yes, it's definately getting better though.

I think internals/recievers/major body bits & pieces should be locked up for Verified users only, yet common accessories (mags, RDS's, mounts, slings, etc) and small parts (pins, iron sights, sling mounts, hop-up rubbers, other commonly replaced parts, etc) be made available to everyone. It's hard to build an AEG of of accessories and small replacement parts (a mag, an RDS, a couple reciever pins and a sling/sling mounts don't amount to much of a gun).

This is just my opinion of course.

ASC supports the 18+ rule. Since, according to ASC community, those under 18 shouldn't have an AEG, then those under 18 should have no need for ASC parts.

Simple as that.

Oh, and Crunchmeister, in Ontario it is actually illegal for a minor to own an airsoft gun. There is provincial legislation covering that.

No. The provincial legislation says that businesses can't sell imitation firearms to underaged individuals.

For the third time (fourth time maybe?) that would be a nightmare to seperate for the admins.

Believe me, I know. I've been a board admin I was simply just stating my thoughts on the matter. At this point it's no longer an issue to me since I have that little icon on the left, just adding a cent or two.

Buyers can be scammers too you know.

Why are we even talking about this.

The current rule is working fine. End of Story!

+1 man, i agree with the new rule for classifieds parts and acces. I cant stand underage players complain about not getting this, not getting that. Cmon guys this sport was intended for 18+. Lets keep the integrety of the sport while we still have it. Appreciate and understand the rules. They are implemented for a reason.

I believe there is also provincial legislation forbidding minors to own airguns.

This would probably be in the trash..

But the mods and admins on this forum can set rules whenever they want and do whatever they want. Deal with it.
If you're underaged, go buy parts from other websites, if not and you can't do anything but to complain about this on ASC, than leave.

Something about a pot and a kettle come to mind...

Yup, this is true, but when dealing online such as this it's sometimes a risk we take.
Though it can be for the most part eliminated through age verification only, I suppose I just find it inconvenient for myself.

thanks again guys, and to clarify, i was not complaining, or trying to get the rues changed, just curious as the the ASC's opinions, sorry if it seems otherwise, im happy to wait, and fully understand the rules...

That's funny coming from you.

+ fuckin 5

Haven't been able to find any. Link or it doesn't exist.

WOW... In my last tread, some asshat accused me of "fabricating propaganda" for my own agenda. Funny, I'll see what he has to say about this tread...

relax you cant deny it sounded fishy we have dealt with the issue thats all that matters

I think it's too bad. I'm almost 40, but can't get verified where I live, and now can't get parts either. It's NOT just the under-agers who aren't verified, it's people like me too...

Anyone in Ottawa Aug 26-28th who can verify me? I haven't heard back from PM's to locals.

Kind of good in a way. ASC became my airsoft ebay for a while. Now I won't be tempted to spend so much money. Instead I can focus more on getting some fishing lures and a decent 7' fast action worming rod for bass.

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