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boondock saint May 19th, 2008 00:58

Starter Rifle
 
What would you guys recommend for a good first airsoft rifle. It's gotta be electric, full auto, decent accuracy, and rate of fire isn't a big concern.

Gigaknight May 19th, 2008 01:09

I hate to break it to you, but this will get you flamed for not reading the FAQ!

Zombiefruit May 19th, 2008 01:18

Get age verified. You have to be 18. If you are not 18+ then you're going to have to wait a few years. If you are 18+, then Tokyo Marui is always a good choice. If you want to go a little more expensive then the Classic Army line of M4's are all metal. You can buy from 007airsoft.com or from shootsoft.cabut you must be age-verified to visit shootsoft. Good luck!

matt491 May 19th, 2008 01:21

Start readin' kid.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=58784
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=253
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=29

boondock saint May 19th, 2008 01:39

Ive looked online and done some research so far im lookin at either the tm g3sg1, or the G&G UMG on 007airsoft. And i was just looking for some firsthand help from you guys because you have prior experience in airsoft guns so i figured you would have better insight than i would, and im 19 i turn 20 in june so please dont condescend me.

Donster May 19th, 2008 01:57

fill out your profile so people can better help you, esp the age verifiers.

matt491 May 19th, 2008 02:30

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Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 720974)
Ive looked online and done some research

"Some research" doesn't cut it in the airsoft world. If you've done "some research" then you would know both are fine guns for starting. Just depends what style of playing you'll have and where you'll be playing. Not to mention which gun is more comfortable for you. WE can't tell you what gun is best for YOU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 720974)
...and im 19 i turn 20 in june so please dont condescend me.

Bahahahahahahaha Welcome to asc, pal. Your age means dick all around here.

TokyoSeven May 19th, 2008 03:13

What is good is a matter of opinion, in most cases though cost is reflective of quality.

Gun reviews can be found all over the internet, regardless which search engine you use, a different combination of search words can yield different searches. Let me keep it short and sweet, for the bulk of it, AEGS are simple motors that drive pistons that compress a spring to expel air to propel a BB down a barrel. How you want that set up to look is up to you. There are many brands of companies out there that make airsoft guns, how much you pay maybe relevant to the quality you receive.

Something else to consider is how easy it would be for you to attain additional magazines and replacements parts for your selected AEG.

SDS_ShooterMcGavin May 19th, 2008 03:53

Full auto and decent accuracy... Go with a AK.

arman May 19th, 2008 04:26

g36c!!!

Bowers May 19th, 2008 05:56

there really isnt no "best starter" its just everyones opinions

find a gun that you like

then read reviews if it sounds good and can do what you want then there you go

Firewalker May 19th, 2008 06:33

If you're going with most compatibility/ upgradability an M4 or AK of some sort would be your best model. There are innumerable options for both of those platforms and offer you a chance to create a gun to your liking. They also offer options from both sides of the Canada/ US vs. Terrorists conflict that's going on now, as well as the old school Cold War and Vietnam War era conflicts to suit almost all your tastes.

I'd recommend G&P for a manufacturer over any other, but their internals do require a minimal bit of work out of the box. So if you can't get that work done, or can't do it yourself, your next best bet is a Classic Army gun.

boondock saint May 19th, 2008 21:29

I was pretty set on the tokyo marui g3sg1 but i saw a video online of this guy saying that he had it for 3 days had only shot it twice and the gears messed up. So that made me kind of uneasy. and although i love the basic design of the ump i havent seen many options for customizations and im worried that with such a short barrel the accuracy will severly suffer.

Muffin May 19th, 2008 21:35

If you know your gun, you can fix anything. It could have been a simple shim job and the gun would shoot right as rain. UMP's may be a more rare item as far as popularity and upgradability. However, if your looking at internal upgrades you need parts that match the version of the gearbox. Shorter barrels can be less accurate then say an M16 but you also need to consider what your going to be using this weapon for. Woodland? CQB?
Get verified and come on down to the classifieds, you'll kick yourself for buying over priced stuff and waiting 3 months at 007.

boondock saint May 19th, 2008 21:39

wow 3 months. thx for the tip.

Shirley May 19th, 2008 22:37

It's not about the gun..It's how your skills come into contact with the weapon. ;)

boondock saint May 19th, 2008 23:33

lol are you trying to get all philosophical on me

kalnaren May 20th, 2008 12:28

Hitman is quite right. It's how you play that will determine which gun is best for you.

Personally, I'd recommend a Classic Army G36 full size or a Tokyo Marui M14. Those guns have nice long barrels that will give you great accuracy stock. The CA *might* need some preventative maintanence, though I've put probably over 20,000 rounds through mine and it's still going strong. The G36 is nice because it's light for a full size rifle, but it only has a small battery so upgrade potential is limited without modifacation.

Azathoth May 20th, 2008 14:31

3 months is a short time for 007 standards. get verified and goto a private dealer.

boondock saint May 20th, 2008 21:49

i know clearsoft aint exactly a favorite subject around here but i bought my little brother a tactical force tf7 for his 16th birthday and after charging the battery it wouldnt fire so we charged it again still wouldnt fire. I know the battery is charged because after i took it off the charger it was pretty warm and i know hes puttin it in the gun the correct way, so do you guys got any idea whats wrong with it.

kalnaren May 20th, 2008 22:05

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Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 722390)
i know clearsoft aint exactly a favorite subject around here but i bought my little brother a tactical force tf7 for his 16th birthday and after charging the battery it wouldnt fire so we charged it again still wouldnt fire. I know the battery is charged because after i took it off the charger it was pretty warm and i know hes puttin it in the gun the correct way, so do you guys got any idea whats wrong with it.

The Airsoft Gods are telling you not to use shitsoft.

Red Ghost May 20th, 2008 22:15

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Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 722414)
The Airsoft Gods are telling you not to use shitsoft.


Agreed. Do some preventative maintenance on it an THROW IT THE F**K OUT!

In all seriousness, Clearsoft is crap.

boondock saint May 20th, 2008 22:25

i know its crap thats why im savin up for one of the high end airsoft guns but it was a present for my brother so do you got any tips for what might be wrong.

Red Ghost May 20th, 2008 22:28

Does the motor do anything at all? If not, it could be burnt out. Or the trigger switch may be FUBARed. The wiring could be faulty, or the fuse could be blown [Assuming it has one].

If I were you, I would regard this as lesson #1 and stay far away from clearsoft in the future.

Skladfin May 20th, 2008 22:29

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Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 722441)
i know its crap thats why im savin up for one of the high end airsoft guns but it was a present for my brother so do you got any tips for what might be wrong.

are you sure your little brother isn't you?

boondock saint May 20th, 2008 22:35

no the motor doesnt do anything im hoping the wires just got disconnected somewhere. and no skladfin it aint mine. right now the only airguns i have are pellets guns. I have a walther cp99 with a nickel slide and i just sold my beretta px4, and a crosman 2240. Ive only ever owned one airsoft gun it was an electric clear beretta (piece of shit broke in two days) that was the last time i ever used airsoft.

Muffin May 20th, 2008 22:47

When you pull the trigger, can you feel the motor move or click? Does the battery get hot when you try to fire it?

boondock saint May 20th, 2008 23:02

no nothing happens at all.

Styrak May 20th, 2008 23:04

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Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 721852)
Hitman is quite right.

Never thought the day would come!

Hehe.

Muffin May 20th, 2008 23:05

Then its a power supply problem, test your battery to be sure that its holding a charge, just because it gets warm doesn't mean it charged. Check fuse, wiring soldering. Could be the tabs connected to your motor as well.
Hope you find the problem.

boondock saint May 20th, 2008 23:06

ya thx, how exactly do you check if a battery has a charge.

BBS May 20th, 2008 23:13

put it in your gun and try shooting it? :shrug:

if you feel the power is lacking compared to the first few shots you took, then you need to discharge it and get it juiced up again.

boondock saint May 20th, 2008 23:17

wow apparently you didn't read any of the other posts, it wont shoot at all but it seems like the battery has power but im not sure so i need to know how to check that.

kalnaren May 20th, 2008 23:18

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Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 722501)
ya thx, how exactly do you check if a battery has a charge.

Well, technically without a loadmeter you can't, unless you have another thing that uses the same type of battery. You can stick a multimeter in it to check voltage levels, but that won't create a load. If the battery is below it's rated voltage after a full charge, it might need a deep cycle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 722514)
wow apparently you didn't read any of the other posts, it wont shoot at all but it seems like the battery has power but im not sure so i need to know how to check that.

Wow apparently you don't use the SEARCH function, because there is a nice thread in the FAQ section called "The Battery FAQ" which explains all of this.

/spoonfeed

BBS May 20th, 2008 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 722514)
wow apparently you didn't read any of the other posts, it wont shoot at all but it seems like the battery has power but im not sure so i need to know how to check that.

you're right, my bad...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 722515)

Wow apparently you don't use the SEARCH function, because there is a nice thread in the FAQ section called "The Battery FAQ" which explains all of this.

/spoonfeed

thank-you.

boondock saint May 21st, 2008 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 722515)

Wow apparently you don't use the SEARCH function, because there is a nice thread in the FAQ section called "The Battery FAQ" which explains all of this.

/spoonfeed

well i had a specific question about a specific battery in a specific gun, so i kinda figured doing a search wouldnt do me much good. Mainly because like ive said i dont think the battery is the problem i think its the wiring and i wanted to here what you guys thought.

Muffin May 21st, 2008 07:34

If your confident, start dismantling it. Start with the motor plate and see if its the problem, if not check near where the battery is stored for a fuse or dissconnected wire. If its neither of those you may need to check further inside the gun until you find the problem.

kalnaren May 21st, 2008 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by boondock saint (Post 722596)
well i had a specific question about a specific battery in a specific gun, so i kinda figured doing a search wouldnt do me much good. Mainly because like ive said i dont think the battery is the problem i think its the wiring and i wanted to here what you guys thought.

To which we gave you our opinions, to which you started asking how to check battery levels (and it's not a specific battery in a specific gun, it's a generic battery in a generic gun), to which we directed you to the battery FAQ which answers your questions about the battery.

Azathoth May 21st, 2008 10:22

If you kept the receipt return the damn thing and get your brother the best gift of all. Government of Canada gift cards... Cash.


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