Glock 17
 

hey guys i was looking into getting another glock i would get the 17 iv got the 23f and 19

i dont know if i should get the Tokyo Marui or the Ksc

thanks

I can't speak for the TM, I've never owned one, but I have a KSC glock 17 and I wouldn't trade it for the world. Only thing I can say is throw on a metal slide and upgraded recoil spring/rod and you'll be set for life! REALLY nice weight, hard, crisp blowback and runs awesome on propane. Very nice look, feel, weight and accuracy. NEVER had a problem with her in my life. As I said before, I wouldn't trade her for the world.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...s/100_2805.jpg

Glock 17 is in the top right. She's a beaut! :D

nice so ksc is the way to go

by the way will it fit the tokyo marui frames like OD and Tan

TM and KSC Glocks aren't compatible.

damn

is there different frames that will fit the ksc

TM G17 3rd Gen would be my recommendation:
- Very, very accurate stock form.
- Great recoil on propane, slide can handle it.
- Lots of upgrade options that are readily available at all HK retailers.

Can't find a better gun out of the box when it comes to the G17's!

My 2 cents....

I can't speak for the TM, but I also have a KSC, and it's a badass gun. Stock, it was great, but felt a little too "toyish" for my liking. HFC134a just didn't give me the power and range that I wanted, although it was plenty accurate. And I was afraid to break it shooting propane.

So I upgraded to a metal slide, steel spring guide, and an upgraded recoil spring. I also installed a Madbull Black Python 6.03mm tightbore barrel. This gun is sweet as hell now. It feels great, and sounds even better with all the metal parts.

I won't be parting ways with this baby anytime soon.

Picking up another KSC Glock means you can use the magazines you already own.

I'm partial to KSC Glocks myself, as I do own a couple Glocks.

Airsoft + Glocks = KSC!

I have had four KSC glocks now my oldest is around 7 years I think.

all the glocks i've owned so far had been KSC. i cant think of any negative things to say.

so i am going to order the KSC by the looks of it ill just paint the frame

FYI ... believe what you will (I own both a TM G17 Third Gen and a KSC G19)

Brand New! The 3rd generation Tokyo Marui Glock 17, with glow in the dark front and rear sight. The Glock 17, also known as the G17, was a product of the 80 s and was the pistol of choice for the Austrian Army. It was later adopted by the Miami Police Department in 87, and the trend carried on with the NYPD using it as a service pistol in 89.
The Tokyo Marui version is a worthy replica of the real deal, combining excellent mechanics with the authentic-looking aesthetics of the exterior. As you would expect from Marui, this is a well-built gas blowback pistol, which is mechanically and physically very solid. Comes complete with standard and glow-in-the-dark night sights.
Metal inscribed serial number located on lower receiver below the front barrel also acts as a concealed safety. Internal hammer system allows the gun to be pre-cocked for instant shooting. Patented glock safety trigger design means that accidental discharge is prevented unless you pull the trigger with your finger. Blowback is strong and matches that of the KSC Glock 17. Where the Marui Glock 17 shines above the old guard KSC Glock 17 is in accuracy and distance. As we have come to expect from Marui pistols, this Glock shoots VERY straight and is highly accurate. In stock form using TOP / GREEN gas, maximum travel distance for a 0.2g BB is approximately 100 meters (300 feet). With no wind, travel trajectory is EXTREMELY straight and stable. Actual distances may vary on each gun based on the intensity of the hop-up that owners can manually tune for the most effective distances.
The hop-up dial can be adjusted once you take apart the top slide. Disassembly is exactly like the real Glock (same as the KSC Glock). Pull down on the disassembly lever and the top slide slides forward to come off the lower receiver. The hop-up dial is located on the barrel assembly which is visiable after you remove the slide.

Is that coming from personal experience, kevorkian? Everything I've ever heard is don't use propane on ABS slides? Does TM use special ABS materials?

Thanks for copy and pasting the news article and/or box and manual information!

*rolls eyes*

If you already own a KSC G19, you may be a little disappointed with the G17 - out of the box it's lighter and not quite as "solid" feeling as the 19 and 23F. I've owned a couple of KSC 23Fs, an 18C and TMs 17 and 26. I was never satisfied with the hop-up in the KSCs, and didn't keep the TMs long enough to really get a good feel for them. However, if you're happy with your existing Glocks, you might as well stick with KSC - cross-compatibility of mags and seals is a good thing.

it'll run for a while on propane with the stock slide, haven't seen one break yet but they seem to pop off the rails if liquid propane shoots through it (upside down, lift too fast etc). i have, however seen ksc slides snap even when basically brand new. overall tm wins hands down in my opinion, you get great kick (really fast on the stock slide, kick is comparable on fmu sig226 and g17 with metal slide installed), crazy accuracy/range and a refined internals design. keep in mind the tm is much newer than the ksc's and how far gbb's have come in the meantime especially thanks to tm. also, some of the slides available for the tm are GORGEOUS. i had installed a pgc in black and a shooter's silver one to date and they are both amazing quality and have fantastic fit and feel.

somethings wrong with that c&p crap

"Metal inscribed serial number located on lower receiver below the front barrel also acts as a concealed safety."

I don't like airsoft only features in my glocks. KSC stuck with glock design.

"Where the Marui Glock 17 shines above the old guard KSC Glock 17 is in accuracy and distance"

I actually found it to fail there I was hoping it would follow the hicapa, sig and 1911 from TM but it just didn't. both my 19 and 17 KSC's outshot TM (maybe my tm was fubar)

TM glocks need to be field striped to change hop-up thats a - point there too.

The TM Glock would be rated ok/average
The KSC Glock would be rated great/best

and yes as stated above the 17 is the older gun and does not have the feel the 19 does

I have the KSC G18C and love everything about it. Never misfeeds, always superbly accurate, great with propane. No complaints.

I'm sure the G17 would be the same deal.

Just cause we're all talking about Glocks here, are any mags cross compatible? It sounds like no.

TM?
KJW?
KSC?

I have a KJW G23 and it's basically a TM clone, so I assume it would take TM mags, but what about KSC, etc? Anyone know the compatibility between these 3 companies?

And KSC Glocks need a stupid small tool that you can lose easily to adjust hopup. *rolls eyes*

KJW and TM Glocks FTW.

I have never used the stupid tool after the first time. I use my finger to change mine. whens the last time you lost one of them?

I haven't. I've never owned a KSC Glock for much time. I was just saying it's one more thing to lose that the other Glocks don't have, and it's small.

Some owners' fingers simply aren't dextrous or sized properly enough to fit in the chamber of the KSC, so for them field stripping is still required unless they want to carry around that tool.

The argument is old and pointless. Use what feels best in your hands and makes you happy to shoot.

I love my KSC glock 17...but yes...metal slide (mine came with one) and recoil spring...i have this problem as of late that the slide gets stuck and starts guzzlin out gas.

ive owned both a 19 and a 17 i love my 17 more...dunno why i just do

I've been at this sport for about a year and a half and I have spent a lot of money, bought a lot of guns, tinkered with this & that so yeah...I'd have to say what I have to say "IS" from personal experience! I wouldn't say a word otherwise!
I've never owned a can of duster, I'm a plumber with lots of propane to spare! Not every gbb I own is modified and they all get the same treatment...propane...propane...propane...and don't forget the silicon oil too!

DON'T believe everything you hear...the proof is in the pudding my friends!

Chill, dude, I wasn't bustin' your balls or anything, it was a serious question! I'm interested in getting another glock and I'm thinkin' about gettin' a TM. Your info was good, sorry if I sounded snippy or somethin'. No hard feelin's

NO HARD FEELINGS !!...Sounded like you were calling me out !!!! It's been a rough day!

By the way, buy a TM Glock...

too bad KSC got a lawsuit a few years back for the Glock trademark thing or else the KSC glocks would look just as sexy as the TMs.
btw: i wouldn't mind going with either company's glock. both are proven to be excellent brands. they each have thri own pros and cons. but you wouldn't go wrong with either one.

alright so ether one is fine maybe ill get both

Still, the trademarks on the right side of a TM Glock frame aren't really authentic.

Here is my humble opinion, I own both KSC G18C and TM Glock 17 Gen 3

KSC G18C (Metal slide, extended threaded barrel, reinforced recoil spring and guide):
(I've ran approximately 1000 rounds through it with propane using .20 bb's)

Problems encountered:
Broke stock air nozzle, fixed with epoxy, although now I have to secure mag with second hand to ensure mag is flush with air nozzle to shoot at optimum velocity.
Cracked first metal barrel, replaced with extended silver threaded barrel.
Screw on bottom of slide that holds air nozzle in place kept on coming loose, had to use red oil to secure it in place, full auto works but even on safety at times
Safety switch had alot of problems, never confident that its in the right place due to its looseness.

Conclusions: Alot of problems from the get-go, never even used once in field (which is scary), way too much work and headaches for a gun that's supposed to be uber reliable especially from KSC's reputation with Glocks. Performance: When it shot well, it would do 280+ easy going easily 30+ft with a flat straight trajectory.

TM G17 (Guarder Metal slide and barrel, reinforced recoil spring and guide, enhanced hammer spring):
(I've ran approximately 800 rounds though it with propane using .20 bb's)

Problems encountered:NONE
On top of being one of the nicest glocks I've seen and held, I have to testify that it shoots UBER STRAIGHT and far, the hop-up works perfectly (albeit you do have to remove the slide to access it), TM has serioulsy incorporated the best elements of their high kick, high grouping into a solid glock, add a metal slide and barrel and your rocking. This thing shoots, hard, straight and with my mods is now amazingly reliable.
I cannot wait to use this in the field this summer,

Conclusions: Outside of initial moding issue (unique to my situation), this gun will be my new secondary without a doubt, I highly recommend this as a sidearm project that will give you an amazing return on your investment, trust me, you won't regret it. Performance: Easily 290-300fps, going easily 50ft with a flat straight trajectory.

Hope this helps.

JL