TSD/WELL VSR-10 Review(MB03)
 

This gun sucks, accuracy sucks, FPS sucks, everything sucks balls. dont trust buyairsoft.ca

tough audience

That was a good review. The gun itself looks great.

hey thanks for the review, im sure the jg version is very similar in most aspects but it comes down to the vsr-10 or L96...

Gorgeous pics, very nice review as well.

I'd have to say for the money spent, I think it's definitely a worth-while investment based on what you've said.

Something you mentioned: issues with accuracy. Do you find 8/10 shots will hit their mark and then occasionally 1 or 2 will inexplicably veer off somewhere, or just overall the spread is too high for your liking?

I have the L96 and I've found with mine anyway, that after switching to the .25's (Which I know you mentioned you're using) the accuracy becomes RIDICULOUSLY accurate for my personal taste. (40', <1" spread, without wind)

I'm interested to get more information from what you're saying there.

Anyway, great review... and amazing pics.

*Sidenote - what camera do you use? Nikon D50/90? Rebel XT? I love the color and the resolution and clarity are just beautiful. *

The VSR one I have is ACCURATE with the exception of one or two that veer off but Im only using .2's

good review M8, both guns are HOT

Nice write up! btw is your camera a DSLR or a point and shoot?

I get about 2 inch devience at 20metres, that's about 60 feet.

Camera is FujiFilm A820. I bought it on sale for $170, craptacular camera btw. Those shots are "just" lucky.

even after you cleaned the gun's internals?

yup, that's about it.

The rubber seems to be such a bad quality, have to get rid of it asap.

what size of inner barrel should I buy and would any hopup rubber work?

510mm inner barrel size. The hop up rubber is VSR-10 type.

Because of a couple reasons, unless you get a thread adapter and silencer, using a different inner barrel length will result in inner barrel wobbling inside the outer barrel. So you have to have exactly 510mm.

But they don't sell VSR-10 barrels in 510mm length, only custom makers do.

Such as EdGI from phillipines, his inner barrel is made to your exact needs.

It's sold in 6.00mm or 6.01mm.

He doesn't have a website, you have to email him.

eicban@smg.sanmiguel.com.ph

other than that, if you get a thread adapter + silencer, then you will need this thread adapter.
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...R1002_srch_VSR

There is a 14mm positive threaded version sold on Redwolf.

Hop up rubbers:
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...GCY55_srch_VSR
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...SRHBH_srch_VSR
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...TMSCP_srch_VSR

Firefly seems to be the most popular. Nineball gives great airseal, and I'm really not sure about the KM.

Where could I find a shell holster similar to the one you have mounted on the back of your VSR10? I'd like to get one with the same size shells you've got on there.

I got the ammo band from local hunting supply store.

and the dummy rounds are from BB Bastard.

Possibly solution to your mag issue. I read a review of the TSD SD700 on buyairsoft.ca had a similar issue and that person said to pull the bolt back before inserting the mag.
Good review and nice pic with the ammo band.

So what would be the difference of this to the JG bar-10 vsr clone which is around $100 more? It's not that I wouldn't be willing to dish out some extra cash for the JG, but if this is practically the same, then why not save some green. I have heard from several people though that this is not very TM compatible and hard to upgrade.

at already 450fps Im not sure how much more it needs to be upgraded. Ive been looking for a TM VSR Mag to try out to see if they work but havent found a cheap enough one.

On a side note, Ive got a picture that I took of a friends plate carrier with foam plates an inch thick... the picture is of an airsoft BB that was fired from my TSD VSR that went through the fabric of the vest and halfway through the foam plate.

I know that the FPS is higher than a stock JG bar10, but there are other things that could be upgraded. Basically, Is the amount you pay more for the JG bar10 worth it when you could just get the TSD?

Wow I'm sold. Can't beat the price and as long as I can hit a human sized target after it's properly cleaned from 100 feet I'll buy one.

The JG version is shorter, and fires 390FPS out of the box, but if you do the airseal mod, it "supposedly" goes all the way up to 500FPS. who knows.

Well... i don't mean to sound like one of those "which gun is the best?" posts, but I'm having a little trouble with this one.

JG bar-10 is more money, apparently %100 marui vsr clone, probably more reliable, and better looking astheticaly.

TSD vsr clone is less money, higher fps stock.

Don't know.....

I don't really know where you get the "looks better" from, since it's all based on the same model.. but sure okay.

JG BAR is shorter, i'll tell you right now, that means shorter inner barrel.

Magazine solution?
 

http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AR-WELL-MB2-MAG.htm
I recently found this off airsplat. I think it's out of stock right now, since I cant find it off their website unless i do a google search. It's designed for the MB02, which should work on the MB03, and hopefully your TSD as well. Best part about it, is that it's cheap and apparently it's a metal enclosure design. Let me know what you think. Great post btw.

thanks for the link but that seamline and shine looks nothing like metal..

From what I've read the JG BAR-10 is a closer clone of the TM G-Spec (read: 303mm inner barrel) whereas the Well MB03 uses a custom length barrel and an unconfirmed threading on the barrel end. This means that if you buy a Laylax/PSS10 barrel you're either too short (430mm) or too long (555mm) or as Skladfin mentioned you can get a custom one. As well it's not confirmed if you can place a silencer on the end of the Well's barrel to cover the inner if you do decide to go longer.

Keep in mind that the TM VSR-10 trigger group was never designed with a 400+ FPS output in mind. The reason the Laylax Zero Trigger and the PDI v-Trigger exist is to get around this problem with a completely different design. With the stock springs in the Well/TSD the sears in the trigger are bound to break at some point. Upgrading the sears (or buying a better trigger) and getting a better piston will cost you almost as much as the gun itself but would increase the reliability of the gun by a huge margin.

So, With the TSD/WELL vsr clone, eventually, you will need to do some semi-expensive work on it, but to get the JG bar-10 shooting up high enough to be most "effective" you will also need to do some upgrades on it. Hmm... damn I can't make up my mind..

well I bought a VSR silencer adapter and the thing DOES NOT fit! The outter barrel of the TSD/Well is way larger than a TM!

Does your barrel appear to be a bull barrel? Ie: The barrel has no taper from receiver to muzzle. If so you may be able to source the threaded muzzle for a G-Spec (I know they're around I just can't find one right now) then use a silencer adapter from there.

If you take a look at this picture here
http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload...VSR10-02-L.jpg

It's for sure that the thinner thread end is the 14mm CCW end. So if you use Microsoft Paint and determine the width of the 14mm CCW end by pixels, it comes out to be 156 pixels. Then you take the thicker end which attaches to the muzzle end and determine the width of that in pixels, it comes out to be 222 pixels.

so you divide the 222 by 156 and you get 1.423.

then you multiply 1.423 by 14mm and you get about 20mm, which is the real size width of the thick end that attaches to the barrel. And I've measured VSR's muzzle end size and it's about 24~25mm. So obviously it don't fit because the muzzle is too big for the adaptor. I wish I could have told you before hand.

Using this method you might be able to find one that fits.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=19886

that one, I've determined it to be 27mm, it might fit, it's a G-Spec version.

Or I just go to my local hardware store and go shopping lol

I myself looking into getting a sniper kit going hopefully by summer, I appreciate the review.

Now for my question(s)
-Will you be upgrading the rifle?
-If so what?

Also let us know how it was to skirmish with and keep us up to date if you change anything with the rifle.

Thanks,

Steve

The second picture is what I was talking about. The first one just adapts the original G-Spec threading inside the muzzle to a normal 14mm threading. The first picture replaces the whole muzzle. I can't guarantee that would work but that's probably someone's best shot.

Thanks, your review sold me on purchasing this exact model. I've got it running nicely, cleaned it as you suggested also.

Purchased this Marui Silencer Adapter from the WGCShop.

http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...cc_vsr10sa.jpg

Fits perfectly within the VSR, threads nice and tight with the deepfire 200mm silencer I bought from airsplat.

http://www.airsplat.com/Itemdesc.asp...DACC06&eq=&Tp=

Haven't had any issue's with hitting human sized targets after 130-140 feet.

Ok this part is weird, I have the same adapter, but mine is way too small for the VSR's outter barrel.

Mine fit's right in, nice and snug.

Where did you order yours? And is your VSR the same?

hey i just registered for the exact purpose of asking you guys about this silencer adapter, and i wanted to ask if it would work on the jg bar 10 also. i tore up the orange tip getting it out of my gun, and desperately want a silencer for it; but in order to do so, i need to get some sort of barrel adapter to go inside where the orange thing did, and then on the other side be a 14mm threading for the silencer. please let me know what you think

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=19886

this one looked like it would work.....

How useful do you find the Bipod? Just for looks, or does it actually help?

I find it very useful in many ways, not really anything negative to talk about.

did you buy the bipod seperatly?and if so how much i want to buy this gun as well thats why im asking these questions

Try going to the first page of this thread and actually reading it.

hey i tried taking apart the hop up on my TSD/WELL VSR-10 the same one that you bought from buyairsoft.com but i cant get the two screws out that hold the metal of the hop-up together any suggestions?

where did u get ur sound surpressor and im sorry if u all ready answered this question?

FANTASTIC REVIEW! Wonderful pictures, and very helpful.



Bravo Zulu!

is there a guide to tear it down or did u just go with the flow?

the link is in the review.. .it's pretty obvious

hey i tried taking apart the hop up on my TSD/WELL VSR-10 the same one that you bought from buyairsoft.com but i cant get the two screws out that hold the metal of the hop-up together any suggestions?

My mag
 

My mag was having feed issues so I added a piece of 1mm thick plastic to the bottom of the H or O shaped "locking piece". It is the mechanism mounted on the plastic stock itself, not the bolt part. Just cut the piece to let room for the button. Just use crazy glue. Not a high stress area. Eazy pezy.
Great Success!:D

Make sure to remove the 2 on the rail and underneath to remove the barrel assembly. Screw off the barrel cover and the screws should be easier to acsess. If that wasn't the problem and there just ass tight, trie some lube or WD40!!:cool:
hope it helps.

kk thanks ill try that do you know if they use like a thread lock on the screws

Hey guys,

I'm considering buying either this Well MB03(the gun you guys have just been talking about) for $60.00 american or the Well L96 AWP for $139.00 american off of airsplat.com

No doubt monetary wise the MB03 would be the way smarter choice, but the way you guys talk about the lack of accuracy and hop-up not working so well, I'm drawn away from it.

Eventualmente, (half spanish, and half english for eventually) I would like to be sniping at about a 150-160 foot range and be able to hit a man sized target using .3 gram bb's If this is my destined goal which gun should I buy? I know that the homemade upgrades to the Well MB03/VSR-10 will give me the same fps as the L96, but I just want some of your feedback.

Also, if I am using .3 gram bb's will that increase the distance I am able to snipe @?

By the way, the review was incredible, very easy to follow

Your Sniper purchase
 

Well, I would ighly reccomend the Well L96 (MB01) If you can find one. My sniper cover has one and it owns, stock @455 FPS with .20gs. If you use .30gs, you'll get about 100-150ish accurate sniping. it'll go 200ft. stock with .2s but you must have little wind and a steady hand.

I own both guns, L96 and VSR clone, the VSR is preferred for moving with it because it is MUCH lighter then the L96, but the L96 is, as 22RE_yota states very very powerful and accurate. By the way, I've shot both in the ranges of 50-250ft, and BOTH guns are able to hit targets dead on with little to no wind, but that may be just my buying luck.

so let's say I get the L96, then should I perhaps buy the .25 gram bb's.

also what does it mean when you say "stock @455 FPS w/ .20 gram bb's

main review updated with details on upgrades and parts list for upgrades regarding increased accuracy and range

It means that stock (Ie, no modifacations), the gun shoots at 455 Feet Per Second muzzle velocity using .20 gram BB's.

I'm looking at getting the Well L96.. I'll definetly be running 0.28g or heavier in the thing. Heavier BB's will give you more effective range.

With my results that I posted earlier I was using BB Bastards 0.28g BB's

With very very little to no wind I could use0.25g BB's, and I do surprisingly notice quite a difference between those two weights, for the accuracy gain that a 0.28g BB gave me, losing very little range was not a big issue.

you don't lose range using heavier BBs lol. You actually increase in range because it retains more energy over distance, try setting your hop up a little higher.

You're probably right, I'm still trying to learn more about my guns.



But it makes so much sense that I would lose range. heavier projectile, same propulsion= less velocity no?

Great review! i think i've just been convinced into buying this, although my heart was set on the L96. Damn buyairsoft selling their last one yesterday!!!!

Loved the review so much that I bought one.. hah.
Thanks a ton!

Heavier BB means the BB will hold it's energy longer, and hence be more accurate at longer ranges = more effective range.

Heavier BB means the BB will hold it's energy longer, and hence be more accurate at longer ranges = more effective range. FPS != Accuracy, FPS != Range.

heavier BBs loses less propulsion or "power" over distance because it has more mass to retain it. So for example, a 0.12g BB would lose its propulsion after 100feet, and promptly falls down, but 0.30g BB will continue to have its propulsion even at 150feet. thus providing you with more range

Got it. Thanks guys.

I'm really not sure which one
 

ok, after read your review I am completely torn. I can't decide which gun to buy!!!! the VSR-10 Marui Clone WELL (MB03) or the Lg96. They both have good power. I don't want to spend 320$ on a gun that may and may not be worth it. I don't really want to do a whole lot of mantenance on either guns. Fixing the hop up is fine, but I don't want to do a whole lot of other things. I guess my question is the ever-hated noob question: which is better?? I like how fast the Lg shoots, and they both shoot accuratly, but the price is dragging me down (along with the almost 10 lb wieght). I just bought a 200$ gun (not alot in your eyes, but for me its a fair amount.) can you guys help me decide without destroying me (and my confidence?? :wink: )??? thanks.
(and any advice on not sounding like a noob when I ask a question would be greatly appreciated.)

I have experience with the WELL L96,

L96 is just about the same gun as the VSR-10, they are same brand and all, with the same amount of grease inside the gun. So even if you get the L96, you'd still have to clean it anyway, VSR-10 is much more lighter and fieldable than L96 as well. And of course, it's $100 more

really, the VSR-10 is 100$ more? On buyairsoft.ca the lg96 is 100$ more than the VSR-10 ..........
so you are recomending I buy the Vsr-10?? it is a decent gun, good for a person new to sniping?? (it shoots over 100 feet accuratly with .28 bb's, right??)

Ya, I said L96 is $100 more, I guess I didnt word it correctly =\

ya its accurate enough

Almost any airsoft gun will shoot over 100' "accuracty" with .28's. If it's your first airsoft gun, get an AEG instead.

The ACM sniper rifles aren't bad, but they're not nail drivers. They'll need some TLC to make them into really, really nice sniping platforms -as will any airsoft BAR.

Whats TLC?? just some cleaning up of the gun??

I already have an AEG, a shotgun and soon a pistol. I'm looking for a decent sniper without the huge price tag of some of the brand names. I just want to try sniping, and see how I like it. I have no idea how to tell if a sniper is good, but its seems the average range people use is 100ft. Am I right?? So if the Vsr-10 shoots 100ft and can hit a man sized target fairly consistantly then I would probably buy it. Also, if I wanted to increase the FPS and then the range I could do the teflon tape mod and remove some of the air brake. (anyone know where I can find the instructions for either one??) I know I can buy extra/r eplacement parts for it so if the piston brakes because I removed the airbrake, I'll be happy.

TLC = Tender Love & Care :). Any airsoft sniper rifle will need some work to make it really effective.

Generally, any airsoft gun shooting over 300 FPS should be able to hit a man sized target at 100' shooting .25's. With a gun shooting 300-350 and .25 or .28 ammo, you can probably hit a man-sized target at 150'. I can't remember exactly where the thread is, but CDN_Stalker did a really good post on BB weight vs. FPS and accuracy. BB weight and good hop-up adjustment are going to do more for your range/accuracy than FPS will. Also, a tightbore barrel will decrease your groupings at range.

the bolt on my vsr-10 won't lock into place when i pul it back i don't know if i broke something of if it can be fixed any sugestions

Gun doctor section....

God.. noobs just love dirtying up this thread..

Importig from the USA?
 

South of the border www.airsplat.com sells Well MB03 for $60 with scope - undistiguishable from the one reviewed here. Ebay sells some "VSR-10" of unspecified brand from $70-80 with scope and wooden stock. Buyairsoft sells it for $220 with scope. US Federal laws prohibit stores to ship replica weapons to Canada, but they can ship it to the nearest US post office and you can pick it up. I wonder if anybody tried. It looks like same rifle to me - should not cause any problems with customs..

Have just read this airsoft laws....
...and still puzzled. It is legal to possess, legal to transport, and illegal to sell unless you're licensed dealer. Sounds like it is legal to bring it to Canada for personal use?

I love this gun.
I got mine in wood, and just had the urge to make it my own, so I painted it ultra-flat olive.
It's pretty good when it comes to performance, great for its' price.
One thing.
My hopup lever will only go back.
It seems to be really, really stubborn when I try to push it forwards.
Stubborn to the point that well.. It doesn't go anywhere. It feels like it's locked there.
This isn't normal, is it?

The hop-up adjuster is VERY stiff (at least for me). I used a pair of pliers to grab them and force them forward. Now my .25 BB's are straight and right on target!

For a clone, this is a damn nice one. Lets me get a feel for sniping without forcing me to dish out a lot of $$

I agree, Kookamater.
It's alot of fun.
I'm so glad I bought it.
But yeah, about the hop-up, All I did was remove the barrell assembly from the stock and I just pushed on the hop-up at a lower location of the lever. Now it's fine and way more accurate.
Did your cleaning stick come without a hole?

Skladfin, you mentioned that the inner barrel is 510mm,
Do you think a PDI 01 509mm inner barrel (for the Marui M16A1 and AUG) would fit?
Here's a link: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=23474

no, because VSR-10 has a different type of hop up system than regular AEGs, its not cross compatible, you HAVE to get a VSR type barrel

Alright thanks, I'll check out that guy you recommended earlier. Wait, do you know if the TSD receiver is compatible with aftermarket outer barrels? Namely the PDI 690 because that would solve the inner barrel problem.

probably ya if you wanna go that way

One more question, can the bottom rail at the front be replaced with a regular bipod stud?

i loved the review, it made me buy it! but GUNNER 552, my hup-up adjuster isnt stiff, so mabey its just your gun? or mabey i was lucker? i dunno... but once again, amaizing review and great pictures!

one guestion though. ive herd that you can remove the rubber butt thing, but i dont know how. do you just pull it out, or do you have to un screw something?

thanks!

M700, seriously, you just got back, you have a chance (a small one) to not completely ruin yourself. Just restrain from asking dumb questions for a little. Your past the stage where you of all people should know this.

wow this review is so nice, that im buying it now xd

Thanks for the info and great review Skladfin, I should be ordering the non-scope/bipod version from buyairsoft soon. I might post some pictures when the whole project is done and painted.

Just got mine, but I need to work on my spraypainting skills before I even think about doing this gun. Also some questions: how can I remove the orange tip to put the King Arms thread adapter you recommended, and can the front sling loop be taken off to attach a regular bipod?

yea, you can remove the sling loops, they have a screw thing on it, so you can somply twist it off.

and a sudgestion about the painting thing, practice on a wal-mart crapsoft thing a few times, once you get a hang of it, than find a pattern you like, and do it!

also, just a realy stupid question, but is your name by any chance brandon? just wondering because he invited me over like a month ago and i brought my VSR over, and he bought one just to be who he is, a fruit. no awfence if your not who i think you are gabe_guitarded.

Wow, what the hell.

Thew orange tip can be unscrewed! It might be a little tough at first as some are glued in but a good pair of pliers or a monkey wrench will loosen it up! :D

Thanks mate! I'll give that a try. Any help on removing the forward sling loop would also be greatly appreciated. :)

EDIT: I received the Well version, not the TSD, so I'm not sure of any design inconsistencies so if you have the TSD your help may not work for me.

Its just a screw... unscrew it out of the stock :D

this M700murder guy is back?....

Yea, he didn't actually off himself like everyone hoped.

Oh haha no I meant just the sling loop, leaving the stud for a proper bipod to be attached. My fault for badly wording the question!

what, you didnt know i was back. ehh, what ever. oh ya, and sory for screwing up the thread earlier(like a month ago) i just have a VERY short fuze, so i sorta spaze a TONE.

m700... please stop posting on my review thread, I really don't appreciate it.