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which would you get?
just wondering which is an overall better gbb?
KJW P226 (Full Metal, Black) http://www.aasurplus.ca/components/c...P226-Ldone.jpg KJW M9 Vertec (Full Metal New Version) http://www.aasurplus.ca/components/c...-newm9done.jpg |
I'd get neither because KJW is shit for reliability
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I'd surely get a P226.
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Anyway, if its your first pistol and you want something thats going to work, I'd look for a TM hicappa 5.1. Stock the thing is a beast and even though its plastic will still handle propane. Installing an enhanced recoil spring will help make it last longer as well. The only thing is, that you'll be looking at additional costs of making it metal if you choose too. I currently have two of these and have sold off all other pistols. One is stock save for the recoil spring and I still prefer to "use" it over my FMU pistol. However the FMU is a much nicer pistol feel and showcase wise. |
+1 on the TM Hi-Capa too, the stock frame is metal from the grip up. Long barrel so it is quite accurate stock. The gun is simple to rebuild and repair should you need to, and aftermarket part is aplenty, and metal slide and barrel choices are much more vaierty than just about anything else out there should youwant to upgrade down the line. Only thing is it is slightly longer than the P226 and maybe the M9 too...
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Get a 1911 then.
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still there. i just like the flush with the gun look. i think ill go with the p226. while im on this subject whats the diff between a gun thats non-railed frame and a gun thats got a railed frame. |
TM P226 ftw
Unsurpassed reliablility when using propane and upgrade parts galore if that's your thing. |
TM HiCapa or TM 1911 all the way for GBB....
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My usual suggestion is to complete your user profile so local players can point you to deals or help you, then go see the guns in person before buying anything. It will also answer a truckload of questions all at once. The rest is some red-tape to be able to buy them. That part is up to you. |
I have the non-Vertec version of the KJW M9 full metal and I love it to death. It's seen well over 1000 rounds (and that's a modest figure) in the short time I've owned it (no gaming, but target practice). In terms of power and accuracy, it kicks the shit out of both my KSC Glock 17 and WA Beretta 92FS "Perfect version). Keep it clean and lubricated and it will perform flawlessly.
My only gripe is that KJW mags tend to be less than reliable and easily develop leaks. The one that came with my gun leaks like mad. The other 3 mags seem to be holding up well to date though, and have seen many fills already. Another thing with KJW is upgradeability. You won't find many after-market parts for them. However, other than perhaps enhanced springs, I wouldn't see any need to really upgrade this gun. I'm more than happy with it in its current state. The only upgrades I have on mine are a 150% recoil spring and some Hogue grips. That P226 looks pretty sweet too, and that's on my 'to get' list as well. Not sure if I'll get KJW or not, but I definitely want full metal. |
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I mean your profile does not say where you live. Look at mine and most others, you'll see what I mean. Under our names it says it all, yours does not. You can also find deals here if you can get your age verified.
Yep, a rail is a rail. Like I said your first pic of that P226 has one. I dont find rails to be a 'must have' option on handguns. Never did, likely never will. |
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btw i cant get age verified. id prob never use a rail on a sidearm. thanx for your help. |
Getting age verified helps us know you can own airsoft guns legally, and gives you access to the deals in the Classifieds here.
Why is it impossible? Are you under 18 and asking us for advice so you can buy something you cant legally own? You do know that airsoft in Canada is under some very precarious laws, right? My choices of guns have always been to go for what is simple and what is proven to work. For that, I asked around and got tips for what to look for. |
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Your maturity is not in question. It's a lot of laws that apply. Using real guns under supervision also does not matter one bit; not the same laws.
I suggest that if you are truly mature, you will wait for a few years. If not, I am sorry but I cant help you. If anyone here helps you, it can put us all under scrutiny we dont need. If you or your friends screw up with an airsoft gun... guess who will get blamed? The retailers, the sellers, and the folks who gave you advice. So here's my advice; wait. Most parents dont know the laws around airsoft. If they really want you to get guns, they should sign up with a profile and get informed. There are places where you can play if you are under 18, and that depends on the field owners, but most anywhere in Canada it's 18+. Insurance costs are the reason, laws are the other. So now that you know, you have to decide what option is more mature. |
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Well, purchasing your guns anyway as you just said is illegal and certainly immature on your part. (I notice that you said YOU would purchase, not your parents, so what is the truth?)
I am sorry that you dont understand the reasons, but that too is why you have to be legally an adult to own an airsoft gun. That way, if you screw up, the consequences are on your ass. The (maturity) ball is in your court. |
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Ok, so do the smart move next if you truly understand. Gather your cash and wait.
You're not the first person to wait, you will not be the last, and as any others who have waited will tell you: It's worth it. That's how you really prove the maturity part of things. Dont be like the hundreds of other kids we get here each year. |
i would stay away from kjw myself, i dont know about their new stuff, but their old stuff was garbage. if i had to pick, id say the p226 tho, a mate has one and its been pretty good sofar.
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p226 for sure classic SAS pwnage
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I'd go with the P226. But that's because I think Berettas are ugly. Oh, I also have a KJW P229. :D
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Wait till you're 18 and save up so once you're old enough, you'll have enough money to buy yourself a TM P226 and a metal conversion kit. This will make your 226 ten times better than that KJW gun. I have many GBBs and the worst are my 3 KJW, the best are my 2 TM then WA then KSC.
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My only gripe with KJW is the magazines that tend to be problematic. |
You know, this sort of confuses me. I'm personally all for the 18+ rule for accquiring anything that fires a projectile. Kids shouldn't be allowed to run amuck with airsoft or pellet guns. I personally have no issue with kids owning said guns, as long as it was purchased by a parent and the said parent supervises the kid while the gun is in use, and then the gun returns to the parent when done. But I'm gonna sort of play devil's advocate here.
Why is it that as soon as someone who isn't age-verified or admits to being under 18 speaks of accquiring an airsoft gun, everyone seems to jump on him on how it's illegal and not to excpect any help from anyone here on illegal activities. Yet, those same people chasing down the noob with torches and pitchforks are doing illegal stuff all the time by buying and selling guns in the classified section on this very forum that "doesn't condone illegal activity". Airsoft in particular may sit in a grey area of the law, but there are sections of the law that are quite clear on the matter of transfer of guns. Airsoft guns are considered replicas according to current laws. According to the law, possession of airsoft guns (ONLY accquired before Dec 199 is totally legal, but transferring them to another private individual is illegal. Buying them is illegal, regardless whether it's a private sale or from a licensed importer. Selling them is illegal. So technically, anyone who's bought an airsoft gun in the last 9 years (I include myself here) is guilty of buying a prohibited item. And I'd say that includes the majority of us on this forum. Whether the posession and use of airsoft is clear or not in law, the law is quite clear when it comes to buying and selling - it's illegal. End of story. So while we may be correct that the under 18 crowd shouldn't be allowed to buy airsoft guns, I think we're sort of shooting off our own guns inside our glass houses by slamming these underage noobs like that all the time with claims of illegalities, when most of us are even more guilty in the eyes of the law. Not to piss people off here, but I just thought I would make this point. |
We invoke the 18+ law for a matter of responsibility as well. It's also about the future of our activity/sport/hobby.
Think of it like this; the more people fuck up, the less chances we have to play airsoft so the more we make sure people don't fuck up, the longer we can play airsoft. If people buy more on the classifieds, nothing will happen. If under-aged kids do more immature acts involving airsoft, the more chances we have of losing airsoft. Finally, on to my last comment about KWJ and TM; I have: 1x KJW Para P14 with 4 extra mags 1x KJW Glock 23 with 2 extra mags 1x KJW M9 with 1 mag The M9 mag leaks, all the Glock mags leak and all of the P14 mags leak. Among my collection, I also have: 1x TM P226 with 1 mag 1x TM M1911A1 with 1 mag None of these mags leak. It can't be just "bad luck" with 7 leaking KJW mags. I make sure all of my mags always have a bit of propane in them, that they are all in a safe area, not too cold, not too hot. |
KJW mags suck. They do. I'm lucky that my 3 main mags for my M9 haven't started leaking yet. I've resorted to loading them with less propane than the original mags, and I think that may be the answer.
The original 2 mags I got with the gun, I would fill for about 7 seconds (till it was full and started squirting out propane). There would be enough gas in it to shoot 2 full mags of BBs. Those mags both developed leaks within 2 weeks. With my 3 new mages, I fill them for about 4 seconds. I can only get one mag, but I've had them for several weeks now and they've seen more use than the original 2 mags, and they haven't started leaking yet. I hope they stay that way. |
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My KJW mags don't leak from the valves. They leak from around the base and from the pins that hold the base on the mag body.
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Styrak, I'm talking about quality here. My TMs don't leak. Besides, I did not say KJW sucks because if I thought it did, I wouldn't have 3 of them.
I'm saying that my TMs are more reliable. The thing that really ticks me about KJ though is the lack of trades. Finally, when I wanted a P226, I could have bought a full metal KJ but I went for a plastic TM and I don't regret it one bit and I also don't intend to modify that gun at all. So overall, I think that TM makes a better P226 than KJW simply for the lack of trades and the leaking mags. |
Keep in minds that i have seen 2 KJW M9 :
the slide broke while firing resulting in receiving the slide in the face. One guys luckily received it on the side of the face while the other one receive the slide in his tooth... The slide is not very good quality.. Very bad and feeble metal is used. Not recommanded. Stay away from KJW. Take a TM and it will last very much longer. |
Trades are a bit of a sore point with KJW for me too, although in the end, that's just cosmetic. When you're out in the field shooting at someone, what you have inscribed on the side of the gun is meaningless. If I'm buying it as a collector's piece or have some theme in mind (like the C8 metal body I just got for my TM M4), then they mean something.
My WA 92FS with all the trades is the cosmetic gem of my collection. It's the one of the sexiest looking pistols I've ever held, airsoft, pellet, or real steel. But in the end, I very much doubt I'd ever use it in the field, because to me, the performance is lacking compared to my other pistols. The accuracy is there at short (20 foot) ranges, but not enough power or range compared to my M9 or Glock. But as a collector's item, I love it, and it always gets a "WOW!" or some other positive reactions when I take it out to show it to someone. To me, that's its main purpose - to look pretty. In the end, as long as it shoots straight, hard, has good range, and performs reliably, that's what really matters to me, not trademarks. And my M9 hasn't failed me yet. Although it hasn't seen field use yet, it's shot more BBs than many people's guns that are used in the field regularly, and for me, that says that the gun is solid and reliable. And it will be my primary pistol for any outdoor games for that very reason. Now if only the mags were as reliable as the gun itself, I would consider it the perfect pistol. Unfortunately, that's not the case. I really wish I could find another brand of magazine that works with KJW. That being said though, I too would prefer a TM with a metal slide and plastic body over an all metal KJW. They are definitely made of higher quality materials. |
All the KJ guns i had owned were great and had no issues. But the quality control is obviously not up to par with the TM so buying a KJW is a gamble; you have a slight possibility of getting a defective one...
i'd personally go for the p226 |
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I prefer the 226, however...it's a KJW. TM's new 3rd gen GBB guns out perform pretty much all others. Great range and accuracy....the KJW is solid as a rock..and just as accurate if you throw it.
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never noticed but the kjw p226 looks good without trades...
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