Getting ripped off - Discuss
 

If this isn't an appropriate section, mods could you kindly move it please and thank you. I figured it was since it has to do with someone on this board.

I have a problem with someone on this forum. They owe me money and for what I believe for a long time. Now the fact is, I don't need it right away and can do without it, but its mine and I want it back. It isn't a lot of money when looking at how much airsoft costs and. Personally since this person has never taken the initiative to contact me, as it has always been me pursuing the issue, it makes me believe that he does not care to pay me back, although saying otherwise which is a blatant lie. I have seen him post about spending money or attempting to, although he obviously has a debt to pay off, now personally when I saw this, it pissed me off. I mean honestly, its almost been over 2 months, IMHO thats more than enough time to pay off $100. I have contacted him in early November regarding the status of the money and have gotten reinsurance that he will have it although he hasn't gotten back to me since. I mean sure, I understand shit can hit the fan, unexpected bills come, you trash your car, ect. I'm a nice guy, I don't want to be nasty but I have no problem doing it. I gave him time, 1 week, 2 weeks, a month, and now its been over two. I mean how long is someone suppose to wait? I'm not going to name names, at least not yet and If I knew who this person was, I would have never done business with him to begin with, although he used someone else's account. Now if "you" are reading this, I have sent you a pm and expect a reply promptly or my money in my account. If neither has happened, I'm calling you out, and Im pretty sure your friends and team mates won't be too happy with you being associated with them as I know some of them and they are great people. You sir, are frankly an asshole, and I will burn you faster than hell itself.


I have done probably a lot of transactions, probably in the hundreds as I do a lot of buying and re-selling and I jump on good deal I know I can make money on and I get bored of things quick. Many face to face and many shipped, ranging from $5 to well over $1000. Now, I have been burned twice, however both cases the other party not local, in this case he is. I mean for the guys that do a lot of buying and selling, how often do you get burned and have a transaction went sour? ever feel that you get the shit end of the deal? I mean personally I believe you can get a lot of info based on how someone has shipped a package to you.

My big beef is, I hate it when I pay a lot of money for something and when it arrives the package job is a piece of shit, I mean really, how much does paper stuffing and double taping cost? I will take too much tape over too little, any day.

Anyways Its getting late and I need to sleep.

Discuss - My situation, (what would you do, what do you think about what I;ve done?) Biggest piss offs when doing transactions and transactions form hell.

You still have that bazooka thing... right?

Throw out a name man...2 months is more than enough if you have been diligent in contacting and asking for payment.

If I can't make a payment, the person knows right away.

No Comms = Fuck You

If someone can't take the time to even update me, they are ripping me off, end of story.

Well you already have 2 of the 5 required steps

1- Try to contact him - check

2- Post a thread about the incident - check

3- Give his name to the community -

4- Give his name to the local mafia as a snitch -

5- Kiss the kids before bedtime -

Yes, both of them :P.

Ill give him a chance to reply/pm me

can we start a guessing game to find the persons name ,instead of step 3 :P



also if hes local why dont you just talk to him in person.

Or hunt him down and take a finger for a deposit lol. But looks like you've done everything you could to keep it low key and he hasn't caught on, so pressure would be the next step.

What does he owe you $100 for? Not double taping or something? Need a little more info before I can get on the "Head-on-a-Spike" Bandwagon.

Sex deal gone awry?

I hate it when that happens.


You are doing the right things I think so far. You could also contact his teams captain, especially if it's a Snowdragon.

I've done a few transactions in my early times on here. I was very trusting and never got ripped off from out of province. I try to only buy face to face now, from someone I know, after seeing some of the horror stories on here.

Irrelevant. Debts must be settled as a priority, particularly the interest-free variety.

double taping?? I hope yopu don't mean me.

i have been scammed before ($300 lost) and it was a deal too good to be true, i was too excited and forgot to ask for his contact info. He got banned on ASC and lost contact of him since. think twice before buying from non age-verified members.

now i had learned from my mistakes and everytime i make a purhase, I need to get that person's contact info. (address, phone number, real name). All things aside, 99.9% all ASC members here are a pleasure to deal with.

You didnt buy a gun off "thedraven" did you?

/Didn't RTFA

I've dealt with TANK so I can vouche for his character.
He's too nice and too patient, to have this kind of crap
happen to him.

If you need to borrow my m500 8mm shotty to extract
payment via sack shots, let me know :)

Online orders = nightmares.
If you are going to buy something from someone. Make sure you check their Trader Rating.

Ive only had one bad experience with buying online, i guess im a lucky sob (/me touch wood). A seller on Ebay wanted me to pay 40$ and asked for government papers for shipping. It was for a 10$ small piece of aluminum barrel for a 1/35 model kit , that's my only negative over 180 auctions ive won. Ive learned to ask for shipping cost before bidding.

But there are some other things to check before buying here like it was said.
Traders rating, age verified, personnal infos are one of them. If you are still not sure find someone who can vouch for the buyer/seller here on ASC. But even with those infos, shit happens sometimes.

A month is too long to wait for your money. Especially since it can be transferred instantly electronically.

Who tapped who? O.o

When I was reffering to double tapping, I meant generally that it pisses me off when people do shitty package jobs. Extra pieces of tape although not very expensive are vital on how a package survives shipping. Wasn't referring to him specifically just venting.

Basically, I bought something for $300 that he was going to get me. When the item arrived he liked it soo much he kept it for himself and would order another one for me. I didn't like that so I wanted a refund, however he used MY money to buy what he kept. He paid me $200 in the first week and has been dragging his ass on the other $100 for over 2 months. As for checking his trader rating, the person had his verified status removed for being a shitty seller, however, he used his brother's account to do the transaction with me, who has positive feedback. It was only after payment was sent that I found out his actual screen name. The fact is I know he has been spending money, on airsoft (IE. posting in for sale adds, attending games, ect) which only puts fuel on the fire.

instances like these are rare. sorry to hear that bro.

I mean no system is perfect, even with a lot of feed back, chances of getting screwed over are not 100% its just less likely when dealing with someone.

Anymore horror stories?

I had a package shipped from the states once. Paid $500 US, Guy insured it for $1000 in which I had to pay duties for. Didn't fill in the proper paper work and I had to track his ass down to send the proper info to Fed Ex as it couldn't be cleared. Ended up having to pay another 2% worth of duties as Fed Ex had to get someone to inspect the package. After all that when i got it, I didn't recieve everything that was promised asked him about it, said he shipped it. Filed a paypal dispute and I got it the next day as he shipped it the day of and bam I get a bill from Fed Ex for brokerage fees. $500 item ended up costing 700.

I feel bad for you. Yeah that sounds like ass dragging. He owes you $ but is spending it instead. He should have paid up within a month at the latest.

What can mods do for you? Can you post 1 letter of the username per day? Can you PM the brother to set things right.

This wasn't lazed^out or something like that, was it? :p

I tape the shit out of my packages, but in a manner than a few quick slashes with an exactor knife will open up a package. Its not like to much tape is a bad thing when used properly, As long as the parcel is packaged properly inside the box and deep enough that an exacto blade doesnt damage it.

Usually when I buy or sell, I request a trade or phone number or cell number. In some cases I have texted the EMT password to the buyer and then informed them via PM that the password has been sent to the number that was provided, some folks are not always up for that but its nice when they do agree. Alot of bells and whistles and hoops but this is the world of online shopping and buying, one can never take to many precautions.

^^ thats very smart idea :) never can be to safe

oh boy. not much you can do in a situation like this. if he was going to games id get 2 of my biggest friends and ask him nicely *whack whack* give him 3 days and ask him again even more politely. also try to find out where he lives.
but sometimes you just get screwed and have to bite the bullet. what i would do is keep harassing him and harassing him over and over until he finally gives it to you. spread the word that he is a bad dealer and give him bad rep.

look on the bright side, it cold be all 300 bux :)

im not kidding about the getting rough part. sometimes you have to step out of your comfort zone to get results.

This is technically theft. Ever thought of contacting the authorities?

Am I the only one who thinks this guy's brother should also have his verifyed status revoked?

Allowing a third party to use your account for commerce has got to be a violation. It totally undermines the whole point of age verification and trader ratings.

I'd like to know the screen names involved so that I canavoid them in the future.

Sorry to hear of your dilemma Tank. I really hope it sorts itself out for you. Some people are just arseholes and have nothing better to do than to screw around.
I'm having a similar experience with two clowns right now. they pm me interested in my M1A1.
They plead "please put it aside pending payment"(to reserve it) and so I package it up real well, making it bomb proof and wait. I get contact info and words of assurances that payment is on the way. Well no sign of payment. I email and pm. NADA!
Please have the common courtesy to be truthful of your interest in said item and at least fire off an email or pm. Maybe a reply would be nice? Maybe someone else would like the item?
Others want the price to go lower. I'm selling stuff because I'm outting from airsoft. My stuff is brand new and having just been used to display. They want the moon and the sky. I try to be fair and sell it to the price they want with the damn shipping included. Guess what? still not good enough. Now, they want to send half now and half later. I tell them I'm willing to go the price they want ,but in return, they must follow my payment terms. My feedback is all good.
Will I accept empty pop bottles? and what they will find in their piggy banks? Very frustrating!

I've had nothing, but great transactions so far in the past and it's only until recently that things have gotten really wacky.
Good luck to you Tank, and keep us posted. It's amazing that some people will dirty their reps for $100.
I say that there should be a hall of shame with names mentioned for deadbeat sellers and buyers in order to protect future customers and sellers.

Happy Holidays to all!

Having a similar thing happen @ work right now.

One girl basically stole 30 dollars of mirrors that I was selling then never showed up again. Good thing I've got her cell # and reverse lookup is a joke. (long story short, working demolition, and was given a bunch of the store's stuff they didn't need, so I'm salvaging them)

I have to say I'm in agreement with you there.

IMO people flake too often. Thats why if someone is serious about buying something they should give a non refundable deposit.

Happy Holidays and what not to everyone. If I don't get contacted by this guy I will post screen names and advise an admin. However, he is part of respectable team, don't what their cred being bashed cuz of him so Im trying to get in contact with the C/O first. Will keep you updated.

My advice, Take his first born.... he wont fuck around anymore

If this guy is a member of a respected team, and you've tried to get a hold of him, you should now put the name/team name up. The idea of keeping the item for himself is pretty damned cheesy, and not getting back to you in 2 months is far more time than needed, especially if this fellow is buying/selling other stuff and going to games. I had a similar problem not long ago with a member of team Wolfpack. The upper chain of the club got wind of what was going on and bam, problem solved less than 24 hours later.

An admin or mod should take care of this. I'm pretty sure this sort of thing is against the rules around here. Both accounts should be penalized.

Unless shes around 20 and good looking im not really interested, and if shes only worth 100$ to him, well, as I said not really interested :P. Made some headway, got a msg from him today. Basically he trying to raise funds to pay back debts, hopefully for him I'm the only one. Will update when I get more info.

On that note:

Communication is key to any transaction, especially one that has not been completed or one member of the party is owing. A message every few days or even once a week on updates goes a long way and prevents someone from knocking on your door with a Louisville Slugger.

I hope you get your money back from this guy soon, what is he did is wrong in so many ways. *Jumps on bandwagon*

Joe, if you don't get this resolved in a manner that you deem "a reasonable amount of time", contact me.

I hardly have time for myself these days, let alone airsoft... i come on maybe once a week and it pisses me off to see stuff like this happening, especially around Christmas time.

I just had $300 stolen from me this past weekend by "a friend of a friend." She's a really cute girl too, which makes it that much of a harder pill to swallow. It's also made my holiday season much tougher to bear, as that money was all I had budgeted for social activities from now through New Years. Although I don't have undeniable proof that she took it, she is the only plausible suspect in a room of people that I fully know and trust. So at the moment, I'm extra bitter.

Anyways, let me know if you don't get this resolved and I'll put a move on having the age-verified status of the brother revoked.

Age verification is a privilege, akin to having a driver's license. You should be lending your account to complete deals as much as you should be lending your driver's license to someone else to use (ie, never.)

Sorry to hear Brian, hope you get it back,
Will update, however, just because of the season I don't see money coming back anytime soon so Im not sure how long a reasonable mount of time is. Then theres the sellers bad habits to factor in.

Bah, I say no mercy.

Take him to Sparta!

I would think that most of us here are smart enough to distinguish between the player and patch he wears when he plays... I know personally I'd never hold an entire team responsible for the conduct of one player... can't speak for everyone obviously... but still.

I've been dealing with a local player here by the name of Dustin Faber who still owes me $260, since last april/may. Originally the money was given to him to order parts from UNC since he was already grabbing stuff, and I was suppose to give him the remaining when it showed up (i was between paychecks and thought he was doing me a favor since we were suppose to be the same team). Long story short parts never showed up and after numerous excuses he finally admitting he was lying and didn't have my money. Unfortunately I have been intending to file a suit against him but for one reason or another haven't been able to. Well, I'll either be filing tomorrow or next week as soon as my paycheck clears, and from what I'm told I'm not the only one suing him.

Definitely don't let it go, I know I won't.

Just to update, have had frequent comms from the guy and I got my money today via EMT so problem has been resolved. Hopefully a lesson learned, however all the other stuff will have to be sorted out with the site admins regarding the user accounts but Im happy I got my money.

Congrats, man. Glad to see you got your cash back. I hope the admins do some swift justice on the account of this guy's brother (who is at fault for letting the guy use his account.)

I totally agree. I would never ask someone to hold something for me just like that. When I bought my WA 92FS from Koopa, I wanted the gun really bad, but knew that because of other bills that had come up, I didn't have the cash. So I offered to give him a non-refundable $25 deposit to at least show that I was serious in my intention to buy, and wasn't going to have him hold a gun for me and end up passing other offers for it, then have me back out. Of course, I was dead serious, and it would take extreme circumstances for me to back out on a deal that I promised I would carry through with. But still, it's reassuring for a seller when at least they have that.

And yeah, I would totally agree with the 'wall of shame' idea too so that we could know who the deadbeat sellers and regular flakers are.