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ajy101 December 14th, 2007 00:58

Why have a PEQ AND a flashlight?
 
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Okay, I'm a newbie, but why does he have a flashlight on the side, when the PEQ also has a flashlight? Thanks for the insight!

sarcastro December 14th, 2007 01:01

Real PEQ's have a IR light hence the need for a separate white light as well.

lupo December 14th, 2007 01:01

Because the PEQ2 isnt a flashlight. Its a laser aiming/targetting device.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PEQ-2

Danke December 14th, 2007 01:06

That's almost a pun, "thanks for the insight". Click on the link and you'll see why you might want a white light.

szetor December 14th, 2007 01:13

also, the PEQ might just be a battery pack eg. non working light.

rockafella December 14th, 2007 02:12

ok, I could be way off here, so if I am please correct me. As far as I know The AN/PEQ 2 and other simmilar devices do have an illuminator and a laser aiming system, but it is more than just a simple flashlight/laser sight in a box, it is mainly used in low-light situations where stealth is of the ecesnce. The light/laser targeting signiture emitted is only visible with the uses of NVG.

Styrak December 14th, 2007 02:48

That's correct. Laser painter for targets and laser aimer for using the actual weapon, both infrared therefore only visible by NVG.

Ronan December 14th, 2007 02:59

Makes me laugh every time i see them use those things.

If America ever goes up against a real army, hope they realize NVG's aren't only worn by American soldiers!

Firas December 14th, 2007 03:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 595036)
Makes me laugh every time i see them use those things.

If America ever goes up against a real army, hope they realize NVG's aren't only worn by American soldiers!

haha I could imagine that :D

DC_ACU December 14th, 2007 06:09

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Originally Posted by rockafella (Post 595018)
ok, I could be way off here, so if I am please correct me. As far as I know The AN/PEQ 2 and other simmilar devices do have an illuminator and a laser aiming system, but it is more than just a simple flashlight/laser sight in a box, it is mainly used in low-light situations where stealth is of the ecesnce. The light/laser targeting signiture emitted is only visible with the uses of NVG.

Do you just copy and paste this shit from like, wiki or something? jesus.

The Saint December 14th, 2007 06:29

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Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 595036)
Makes me laugh every time i see them use those things.

If America ever goes up against a real army, hope they realize NVG's aren't only worn by American soldiers!

But in reality, odds are that they'll mainly fight countries with little to no NVG available. Even if they fight a country with widespread NVG use, the other country is more than likely to have their own version of the AN/PEQ-2 as well. In either event, using the PEQ allows the Americans to maximize their NVG's effectiveness with little to no real drawback. So it's really not nearly as funny as you think. :rolleyes:

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 10:02

Simple answer is.............. because there's room for it on the rail. Am sure people would install turn signals on their RIS if they were about to properly mount them and have room for them.

FOX_111 December 14th, 2007 10:17

The correct use for an RIS rail in airsoft involve packing as much shit on it as possible. Having 2 lights and 2 lasers plus 1 grip is not uncommon.

People are RIS whores.

Danke December 14th, 2007 10:23

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 595128)
Simple answer is.............. because there's room for it on the rail. Am sure people would install turn signals on their RIS if they were about to properly mount them and have room for them.

What colour turn signals are available?

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 10:26

Orange. Good for low light CQB operations. :D

Danke December 14th, 2007 10:31

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 595139)
Orange. Good for low light CQB operations. :D

If they're self canceling I'm in. I'm a bit older now so I wouldn't want to be running through the trees for hours going blink blink, blink blink, blink blink,,,,,,,,,,,,

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 10:36

Lol, that'd be funny, having a sensor built in that senses lateral movement and turns the signal off.

Royal Paine December 14th, 2007 11:02

gotta have the turn signals on the back of the guy on point in CQB too - then they don't have to take their hands off their gun! hmmm maybe a brake light too.... lol

Styrak December 14th, 2007 11:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111 (Post 595136)
The correct use for an RIS rail in airsoft involve packing as much shit on it as possible. Having 2 lights and 2 lasers plus 1 grip is not uncommon.

People are RIS whores.

But being tacticool is cool! :rolleyes:

Lakonian December 14th, 2007 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 595128)
Simple answer is.............. because there's room for it on the rail. Am sure people would install turn signals on their RIS if they were about to properly mount them and have room for them.

Or a hood ornament :p ...

I think they're pretty useful.. especially if you're calling in for some close-air.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111 (Post 595136)
The correct use for an RIS rail in airsoft involve packing as much shit on it as possible. Having 2 lights and 2 lasers plus 1 grip is not uncommon.

People are RIS whores.

But, watching them cry trying to get their 14lbs CQBR up'n'ready is pretty great. :p

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 13:04

Hood ornament, good idea. Replace the front sight with one of these:

http://content.answers.com/main/cont...of_Ecstasy.jpg

Be good for those with Systema PTWs!

Fei Korv December 14th, 2007 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 595201)
Hood ornament, good idea. Replace the front sight with one of these:

http://content.answers.com/main/cont...of_Ecstasy.jpg

Be good for those with Systema PTWs!

Get me one in your next order will be nice on my SR-15 front :D

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 13:46

Gold plated on on Ebay right now for $375US. Lol

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18K-G...QQcmdZViewItem

Ronan December 14th, 2007 14:40

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 595221)
Gold plated on on Ebay right now for $375US. Lol

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18K-G...QQcmdZViewItem

I'm bidding... tis so going on my ptw ris!

ajy101 December 14th, 2007 15:47

Thanks for the replies everyone. I really thought the PEQ comes with an "illuminator" which I take to mean "flashlight". Does the G&P clone come with a flashlight? What exactly is an "illuminator"?

I am just starting out this hobby, and want to get my equipment right the first time. I don't want to waste time and money on junk that I will discard later.

May I ask: just what equipment is actually used in an airsoft match?

1) Laser pointers?
2) flashlights?
3) scopes?

I'm thinking with the short range of airsoft, and the way lasers and flashlights give you away, that much of this equipment are just dressing right? Or am I wrong? How is this equipment used in a match?

Thanks!!

ajy101 December 14th, 2007 15:50

actually I'd like to extend my question to red dot scopes with x1 magnification.

I like the ACOG from G&P, because it looks "authentic", but I'm thinking - "is x4 magnification even useful in airsoft?" Are those red dot scopes with x1 magnification good enough? Can the G&P ACOG clone reduce the magnification to x1 so it's the best of both worlds?

Thanks for the insight and patience!

Flying Squirrel December 14th, 2007 16:28

Most fields don't allow you to use LASERs.
I've never used a flashlight (but they look cool on some guns) an in CQB You can blind people!
Scopes & Optics generally a good idea. Helps you aim better at distance.

1x Is no magnification. Think about it: 1 * X = X. RDSs and Reflex Scopes are good for lining up a shot quickly or shooting with both eyes open.

The power you need on a scope is (in my opinion) really dependent on the gun. There isn't a point putting a 40X scope on a gun that can only shoot 60ft and conversely a 4x is useless on a sniper rifle.

I use an RDS on my P90. I have a 4x replica SUSAT on my L85 and it works fine for what I need it for. My L96 and the AUG-A2P both have 40X Scopes on them. I also have a replica ACOG that is 4x that I sometimes used on the AUG aswell.

This stated I use iron-sights alot too.

techobo December 14th, 2007 16:35

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Originally Posted by ajy101 (Post 595272)
Thanks for the replies everyone. I really thought the PEQ comes with an "illuminator" which I take to mean "flashlight". Does the G&P clone come with a flashlight? What exactly is an "illuminator"?

I am just starting out this hobby, and want to get my equipment right the first time. I don't want to waste time and money on junk that I will discard later.

May I ask: just what equipment is actually used in an airsoft match?

1) Laser pointers?
2) flashlights?
3) scopes?

I'm thinking with the short range of airsoft, and the way lasers and flashlights give you away, that much of this equipment are just dressing right? Or am I wrong? How is this equipment used in a match?

Thanks!!

It really depends on what kind of impression you are trying to re-create. That is, if you are going to be going the MILSIM route. If you just wanna play, just grab what looks cool and suits your playing style.

The best thing to do, IMO, is to play with your AEG stock for a while. Get used to the irons and develop your skills. After that, look into an M68 Close Combat Optic, or Aimpoint. G&P makes a cheap one. Or check out www.1337tactical.com. And unless you are gunna go down the snipxxor path, you don't really need a scope with magnification. Especially if your AEG is stock.

If you are going to be playing indoors pick up a Surefire. It's good that you wanna do it right the first time. I just picked stuff up without researching when I first started. I regret it now. I am trying to complete an impression, but I have to re-buy certain things, because I didn't know better.

As for lasers, not all fields allow them so check before you go splurge on one. You might want to check out an AN/PEQ5 Carbine Visual Laser (CVL), made by G&G, if you want a nice one.

But again, those are all things I would buy. Find out what you like, research pictures and ask around. Then go and complete your loadout.

ajy101 December 14th, 2007 16:43

brilliant. Pretty much answers all my questions (except 1).

Regarding the ACOG: can the magnification be reduced to x1? I know x1 is no magnification! My point was that I think I see pretty good without magnification for airsoft ranges - I don't need magnification, it just looks cool to have a scope.

I was just wondering whether in real-life, is it typical to have a x1 magnification "scope" that has a red-dot, or are those things just stuff for airsoft (made to imitate scopes that would have some magnification in real-life?).

Plus, the second part of the question was about the G&P ACOG clone in particular - can it zoom out to x1 magnification, so I can use it without magnification for most of the time, but zoom in for those moments when it might be cool? That way, I can just save up and get ONE scope, rather than buy one of those x1 magnification scopes for normal use, and then an ACOG for those rare moments when I might want "some" magnification.

Thanks!!!

Flying Squirrel December 14th, 2007 16:58

Most replica 4x scopes that I have seen are fixed magnification.

Again RDS and Reflex sights are used to let you line-up your shots quickly or so you can "holosight" and use both eyes to shoot. If you line up the dot using your primary eye and then open your second, the dot will appear to float in mid air and you are able to shoot with both eyes open.

RDSs are used in real-life in CQB or anything that requires close-range shooting has has limited time to line up your shot.

For example. In Toronto anytime you see a picture of the ETF their guns are usally fitted with a reflex sight.

ajy101 December 14th, 2007 17:17

That's awesome information. Thanks for that.

So am I right in saying that, an RDS/reflex-sight is all one really needs for airsoft? With the limited airsoft range, unless one is totally blind - why would one need the extra range of a scope?

Second question is this: those reflex sights that look like a scope for airsoft but only have x1 magnification - are those used in real-life, or do all the real reflex sights look like those square window things?

thanks!

ThunderCactus December 14th, 2007 17:29

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...eddot%20Scopes
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...eddot%20Scopes
Both those are red dots, typically if it's a long tube it's a scope, if it's a short tube it's just an RDS

And to add on to making fun of using an AN/PEQ against an enemy with night vision, not only do you need to worry about your AN/PEQ, but your IR tabs, ACU is obvious under NVG, any fake gear lights up, and they may want to turn the IR strobe light on their shoulders off :)

leblanc74 December 14th, 2007 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 595246)
I'm bidding... tis so going on my ptw ris!

I just sent my offer, this will be sweet can you imagine on the field a PTW with the hood ornament as a front sight?....

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 18:24

Damn leblanc, seems you are following me around. Make sure you point out those who suggested the entire thing. :D

ajy101 December 14th, 2007 19:27

What about my question about scope magnification? For an AEG, is it really necessary to have a scope with magnification, or is it really just window dressing? I'm thinking with airsoft ranges, scopes are just window dressing, am I right?

thanks!

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 19:55

Actually they are useful in some areas, scoping out detail at longer ranges, pinpointing your shots on smaller areas (like a bum exposed from behind a tree), verifying that you did in fact hit the guy, etc. Fussy eye relief and lack of fast acquisition are two downfalls of a magnified scope, but with both 1x RDS and 4x scopes, there are pros & cons between the two.

So no, it's not "window dressing" at all.

Dracheous December 14th, 2007 19:55

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Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker (Post 595366)
Damn leblanc, seems you are following me around. Make sure you point out those who suggested the entire thing. :D

Then more and more people will just see how you're trying to trick people to add weight and surface area to themselves and their guns to give you a bigger target... :P

CDN_Stalker December 14th, 2007 20:08

That is true, and makes them move slower too. Look at Apoc and how often I've shot him.

techobo December 14th, 2007 21:42

As I said before, unless you're going for a sniper/sharpshooter role with an upgraded AEG, you will do fine with an RDS. And ya, in real life, people use reflexs with no magnification.


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