CA to release new M14's and get this... plastic bodied M15A4's....
 

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I don't get why they are going to devolve their M15A4 line by starting to make two models without metal bodies.

And Id still take a TM M14 over a CA any day, though they are looking really nice.

The CA M14 is almost an exact copy of the G&G.. just a hint of warning.

It's possible they're trying to get a share of the current Cyma-UTG-ECHO1-JG-KART-A&K-etc AEG market. CA metal guns are already significantly cheaper than same model TM guns, so I'd imagine plastic CA guns would be even cheaper.

Thanks for the heads up on the CA M14s, i didn't know they were that bad. are all CA guns like that, or just a few? Specifically, how are the G36 series?

The G36 series isnt bad.. just with CA replace the piston to solve most if not all of your worries when upgrading. other than that stock they run fine.. especially the G36K

k good to know, thanks. i really wanted the M14, but i dont want the hassle of replacing all the internals. Its too bad TM couldn't have CA exterior quality =(

...and they use mustard as gear grease. I opened my G36k mechbox yesterday and it was full of that mostly dry yellow grease. Took forever to wipe it off the gears and reversal latch.

I was surprised to find the yellow piston still intact after nearly 1000 shots though. While my g36k fires at least 340fps, the spring was also surprisingly weak.

so then should i purchase a CA G36c or a TM G36c?

As far as I know...

The TM G36c has better internals parts.

The CA g36c has a better finish which looks more like the real thing and less like plastic (according to most people).

If you plan to upgrade the internal anyway, you might as well go CA.

well i DO plan on upgrading the internals, but what exactly else is crap albout the CA guns? piston? is that it? cause i might as well just go all CA if that is the only thing that truly needs to be replaced quickly. Is it easier to replace internal on the CA or to replace the exterior on the TM?

Tappet plate is SHIT on the CA SCAR series, although, they may have fixed it. Less then 1000 rounds thought and it breaks in 2 spots.

Don't kid your self about "TM couldn't have CA exterior quality". The TM externals are just as good, if not better then those of the CA. I had a M14 Socom for a few months and the body felts great. Besides, in todays world, there is a large amount of stocks you can chose from to swap with the stock one if it does not please you. Hell, Redwolf even has MC-tech Multicam stocks for sale for 150$ USD.

so you're saying just stick with TM because they have better internals and just replace the exterior of the TM guns cause more than likely, the exterior parts i will buy will be better than the CA's externals. Or do i have it wrong?

Quick side question: Can the TM G36c take the extra-long nylon-fiber handguards as made by companies such as Star?

The CA piston has a bad rep. My G36K hop-up missed the bucking. On the other hand, CA G36 serie comes with reinforced mechbox and gears (or at least made from a better metal than TM's) and 7mm metal bushings.

There is nothing wrong with the exterior of the TM g36c, it's just the texture and color of the plastic that some people don't like.

If you care about trademarks, TM has the the H&K logo, but you still see "Electric Air Gun" written right next to it.

I'm pretty sure STAR g36 parts are compatible with TM, but if you want the long handguard, maybe you should get a G36 instead of g36c.

k that sounds good. Basically, if i get an M14, im going with TM and if i get a G36, i still dont know whether or not to go with TM or CA. CA, like you said, has a good gearbox and great externals, but if i am going to put a higher spring in my gun, i will need to upgrade the bushings and stuff anyway. As for the G36c, i heard that i can add any upgrades to it, thus i can make a G36c into a G36. That being said, i think it would be better to go with TM cause they have he better internals than CA and then just get all the CA quality (or better) exterior parts, such as those made by STAR. However, what is your (and i say your to the collective airsoft community) opinion on this?

!!!EDIT!!!
I was looking at the Mechbox.com site with regards to springs. They recommend to instal reinforced gears and metal bushings on TM guns if i want to shoot at around 390 (but below 400 fps). However, on the 007 site, the upgrade package required to make your gun shoot 390 also includes a new piston and fuse in one case, and the "advanced option" has the same stuff, but with a reinforced gearbox. My question is whether or not i actually need all this stuff, or can i just follow the advice on the mechbox.com site? Thanks!

I see some typical TM fanboyism here.

I've had a few CA guns (including G36C)....all were far beter than their TM clone by far.

TM is almost always a rip off any way you cut it. Unless it's a full metal gun anyways, avoid TM if at all possible as go CA.

TM's are also not perfect. There are just more of them....

TM M14 is a very solid gun and needs nothing in terms or exterior reinforcement. It's performance is incredible and with light upgrades (spring, spring guide, tightbore...) it is a tack driver. I'll be buying a M14 eventually, and you can count on it being a TM, not from rumors of CA's being no good, but because the TM simply kicks ass.

My Friend just got a CA G36C.

Got through like 500~800 rounds through it not really any problems at this point really.

Also another problem with CA's is their bad hopup units. Stock CA's almost always have the shittiest range of anyone's AEG's (I think it has to do with defective rubbers and buckings that they ship with all guns but, my AUG with a new PDC hopup unit and a new systema rubber still has less range than my stock TM P226.)

If you want a gun that works from the get go; go with TM. If you want your sturdier body, but internals that require replacement, go with CA.

Sorry but bwuahahahhahaha. CA beats TM external finishes any time. After handling a couple stock TM's (and feeling like a kid) i went back to fiddling a couple CA's (*orgasm*). Man... why do people even buy TM? Oh yeah... because they stick metal bodies on them. Heck even my CA stock looks 10 times better than a TM stock. I have also seen a TM RIS handguard... you could still see the casting lines on it...

Save yourself some hassle, grab a CA, change that cheap piston head and you are good to go. Oh and the bucking.

I asked a couple vets why does CA doesn't change their internals to TM standards... i was answered the following: 'CA knows we get their guns and then just upgrade the internals to the fps we want. So they don't bother changing their way's.'

If you want realism, grab a CA (unless you got 3 grande sitting around, get a PTW), and change some internal parts. It's worth it!

But you can't even take out your trigger guard roll pin :P

that is all good advice. and its not that i haven't done my research, but i just dont know which compnay to buy from. While i beleive that CA beats in terms of exterior quality, TM, from the get go, beats out CA. And if i buy a gun, i wont have any money to invest in upgraades right away. That, and the fact that i can get more upgrades for a TM M14 than a CA M14. However, if i go with a G36, stock, i would get the CA. However, i was told that you can upgrade a G36c into a G36k or G36. That being said, i would still get the TM cause i would change the exterior with a metal reciever and a nylon fiber handguard. Thanks to all who answered my questions. i really appreciate it. i am going to go with a TM M14 i think. now i just gotta save up and buy it =P

I own a CA M-15 in plastic , it,s crap.

DO NOT force the trigger assembly on with the CA M14, I had one come to me and the little latch thing on the mechbox was snapped off and zero chance of fixing it, so it could be a "Buy a new mechbox" moment.

I have no problems with my CA36. Though even after a spring upgrade it's range does seem limited....

Remember that if you get a TM G36C, slapping a longer handgrip and barrel won't make it shoot any better than it does stock; you need to get a longer inner barrel as well, which means a new cylinder as well I believe. If you want a G36 or G36K from the start, just buy one (the Star G36 series, I've heard, is exquisite, and should be picked over CA). It'll probably cost less than upgrading a TM G36C to a full-length G36.

You mean you own their new M15 AEG with the plastic receiver, or their old springer M15? If it's the springer, of course it's not going to be that great.

Yes saint , its the springer

A challenger appears!

1 word: reliability

In 9 years I have never had a TM gun arrive broken from the factory. I've had quite a few CA's that didn't work out of the box, or broke within 1000 rounds, or needed replacement parts out of the box.

I say the new/stock TM of my choice will outlast the new/stock CA of your choice in a 9.6 volt, 200,000 round torture test. Loser pays for the BBs.

Thanks for stating what i stated! :)
I said that TM are much more reliable. But it's cheaper to get a CA, and change the internals to TM standards or above TM standards ;)

Or you can do what certain people do, get a TM, change the internals to above standard parts, stick a metal body, change the stock, and finish by changing the front so you have a really nice looking gun. Or just get a CA and change the internals...

But i do like the idea that a lot of parts are compatible with TM. I'm not sure about CA tho... so for custom work, i would go with TM or just built from scratch with TM compatible parts.

i guess i must have a weird CA my G3 as had the shit beat out of it. my only problem was the stock because i was a moron and landed on it. but the amount i have shot through it on a single trigger pull with nothing bad happening.

i have a few upgrades in mind but i want to saves some time and money and just get a systema mech box and some new hop-up parts and inner barrel.

well either way, for a newbie such as myself, who doesn't have much cash to begin with, a TM is perfect. A TM M14 to be precise. Not only is it one of my favorite guns, but its full metal save for the stock and there are a ton of great upgrades for it that i can't simply find for the CA M14. That and i can get a real wood stock is always awesome as well! =P

I must say it does feel good to finally have my setup (gun wise) all picked out (TM M14). Second step is actually getting the cash together to buy the gun. Whats even worse, a year or so after i get my AEG, im going to get a sniper rifle, which will be a blessing and a curse. Blessing cause its (Tanaka Kar 98k) awesome, and a curse cause its so damned expensive. but i shall cross that bridge when it comes.

Although TM is the slightly more trusty/reliable brand than CA, people are starting stick to CA as well because they are cheaper considering the preupgraded parts (gearbox internals, metal reinforcements). The relatively new line of CA products are safe to trust. One will almost never hear their CA guns breaking (2006 models and up), but a TM's reliability is still superior...in stock form.

on a side note: Donster 125. IMHO isn't your M14 bascially a sniper already? as nice as a Tanaka Kar 98k is don't waste more money on it, if it breaks replacement parts are a bitch to find. Plus its not really useful on the field unless you are determined to play the role as a sniper.

i mean this in the most un-patronizing way possible but if i come across as seeming false and superficial, forgive me. I really do appreciate your concern on the matter especially considering the fact that, like i said, am a newb. That being said, i plan on joining the WWII re-enactors. So, since i would be an Axis soldier and since i love the Mauser and since i need a sniper rifle down the road, i plan on purchasing one. That being said, i wouldn't make my M14 shoot over 400fps as it is bad on the internals. the mauser will be able to shoot 450 with no strain whatsoever. as for the CA guns. you are most likely right, the newer stuff is generally more reliable (or should i say considerably so) than their old stuff. But just for myself and my own peace of mind, i think i will stick with TM. Besides, im going to purchase the 350fps upgrade from 007 airsoft, so it will be good-to-go once i recieve it. the only thing after that is a TB barrel.

Thanks again for your input on the sniper rifle. I have considered it thoroughly. My main answer is: If my grandfather, along with a vast majority of the soldiers in the Heer, and the SS could kick ass with the Kar98k, then im sure i will manage to use it for sniping. That being said, its obvious shortcomings as a main weapon is why i am so eager to use it as one via the WWII airsofters.

Many People including me start out with TMs as they are extremely reliable. Other companies just doesn't have the same "trust" as you do with TM's Upon making a first purchase.

I can sense your passion. good luck.

thanks! its just that i have heard nth bad really about TM internals. For me, as well as most of us, we know what we like to look at. Its what's on the inside, the guts of the AEG, that make it perform. So, that being said, i have decided to go with TM. As for passion? lol who knows. I just like to rant cause it makes me feel smart. Sorta like writing essays for politics class =).

You do know that we were on the line of talking about M14's right? Or did you just skim throught the thread untill you found something to comment about?

First of all, I, unlike you have owned both TM and CA. You may have gotten a chance to finger fuck a TM, which was probably an older series (plastic) but the TM M14 is pretty much full metal and the metal is much nicer then that of my CA SCAR-L.

With that said, YES I would buy a CA over a TM if it came to a M4. Yes I would probably buy a CA over a TM if it came to a G36 (I would have to get the Army Code receiver for it though). NO I would not buy CA over TM if it came to the M14's.

Ask local players that use the TM M14 and those that play againts one and they will all say the same things : 1. Laser accurate 2. No need to upgrade other then brushings, spring and spring guide 3. Most lethal gun on the market (I was regularly knocking out whole fire teams when defending and was able to pin down most players while staying outside of their upgraded gun's range. And this was with a bone stock TM M14 SOCOM.

EDIT for DONSTER 123: University level politics or High School? Just finnished my ISU for my grade 12 political science class...

So basically what i said. CA > TM for finishes. TM < CA for internals... but you end up changing the internals anyway so... yeah.

I'v held the CA M14, it felt awesome and the look well it was painted. I do hear that the TM one is a lot better. Well good, but i would still go with a CA for a full metal gun.

understandable. hey, i just had a quick question. how do you actually mount a sight on a stock TM M14? i didn't see any rails or such, but i could be mistaken.

You install a RIS:

Small RIS kit:
#1 http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=6952
#2 http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=9490
#3 http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=6804

RIS conversion kit:
#1 http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=6204
#2 http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...sp?prodid=6801

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/revie...uct/631/cat/16


I've never used the CA M14 but I do know that any of the "plastic bodies" complaints do not apply to the TM M14. The fit and finish is first rate. There's a reason it's one of the more expensive Maruis.

sorry i thought that link had a picture with a scope.

It has a scout-style scope mount built in. But if you want a more traditional style of mount (further back) you have to buy it seperatly.

Most of the TM promo stuff shows it with an aimpoint-type scope.

only plastic part on the TM M14 is the very outer body. EVerything within that is metal (not entirely sure of the gears and whatnot) but i had the SOCOM one <3'd it beautiful gun ran smoothly.

Just get a scope base. I recommend the low profile ones from ether Hero Arms or King arms, since they are the lightest and I find the more practical since I dont wear a full face mask.

i do wear a full face mask, so would the side mounts still work? that being said, my mask is the lowest profile paintball i can get and i bought it purposely for that reason.

grade 12. i am not taking politics in uni. Though i did write a lot for my grade 12 ISU. if you get stuck on yours, i can send you mine. 20 solid pages with great sourcing and references on why the war in iraq is justified (i like to stir the shit when i write =P ). Its uni quality for sure. put it this way, if i was taking politics, i would submit this paper without hesitation.

EDIT:

Does anyone know of a high profile scope mount base for the TM M14 that can be used with a full face mask?