GBB Riffles why not?
 

Im just curious why companys dont make riffles like gbb handguns, ? they would be alot more fun, sound way cooler, and have more realistic kick.

plus the mags are bigger so they could fill more gas,and every time you change a mag you change your gas, no more need for recharging and switching batteries etc?

You'd need ALOT more gas to get the actions working on a GBB rifle. There's a few AEG's right now though that have blow-back (G&G L85 for example).

Well heres my take. With really no personal experience with GBB handguns and rifles I'd have to say give it time. To me, airsoft is still a fairly new thing despite being around for a few years. Technology is always expanding and people/companies are always creating new ways of things working, in this case airsoft guns. With propane being so widely available and cheap I see no reason as to why gbb rifles can't be a mainstream thing in the future. (other then the gas consumption)

anywyas i'd talk more but its late and ive had a few beers... night!

You guys do remember the early days of airsoft when the rifles were gas powered right?

Okay...well basically it's the same thing if you wanna do it now, you'd have to have a remote line to a tank...
That's why electric guns were made, to get rid of that tank.

Battery VS propane tank....... Ill take the battery.Remember airsoft is a game not the real thing we can only take it soo far. If people want the RS feel that bad go out and buy one and take it to a range lol.

For those of you who are relatively new to airsoft (i.e. started within the past couple of years) and aren't familiar with pre-AEG airsoft go check out http://www.classicairsoft.net to get more info.

i cant wait for gryphon to get on this thread lol he will tell you all about Gas Rifles and how there is nothing better! lol

It's possible, it's just EXPENSIVE, and much harder to maintain. Pre-AEG, all airsoft was gas powered.

Somebody on here made a GBB SR-16 about 3 years ago... Let me hunt to see if I can turn it up.

Third result: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...ight=GBB+SR-16

I don't think gas consumption has to be as much of an issue as everyone makes it.

The only real condition I can think of is that the gun would come out as a comprimise between an AEG and a Classic style rifle...

Lighter bolt, more 'GBB' style mechanism would mean minimal kick, but the payoff would be a simpler mechanism and better gas efficiency.

I just think nobody cares enough in the production end of things to make it so.

Instead of gas in the mag, wouldn't gas in the stock be a feasible solution? Granted the range of guns you could produce would be limited. I like full stock guns anyways.

There is nothing better than gas rifles. ;)

/points to sig

I recently found a video of the Y-E mp5 being able to fire after a guy jumps into his swimming pool with it.

www.youtube.com search 'classic airsoft' it'll be there.

not related, but hattrick i love your sig hahaha

well theres no way I would run around with an external tank, I just cant see how they cant store the gas in the clips, I mean as long as there not highcaps it shouldnt be an issue it cant use that much more gas then a hand gun.

I believe that was one of the merits of all classic airsoft, they're water-friendly.

I think it's totally possible....ie Maruzen MP5K 50 round mags....and hell, propane is TOO powerfull for that gun.

Remember what would probably suck though....mags would end up weighing MORE than their real versions.

With heaviness comes..recklessness? Think what happens when you drop a GBB mag. Usually something gets destroyed by its own weight.

Cooldown? Probably wouldn't happen with the realistic capacities that would be in place with GBB mags (which would be wonderful) but when you're mag desides to run out of gas in the middle of a firefight, ou're fucked. Even if you can gas it up real quick, you'll get oe or 2 shots off and then out again. Waiting for mags to warm up is a real pain in the ass.

Speaking of cooldown, airosoft in the winter or even the majority of nights in Canada is not going to happen.

I absolutley HATE AEG's....they're fucking lame, they sound liek shit, they are uber troublesome when they fail, they seem to be overengineered (who the hell thought to put a sewing machine inside a gun) and they aren't intimidating at all when used. Not to mention because of all this, so many paintball-esque things like hicaps (why any airsofters uses a replica that rattles I don't know) and inproper firing techniques (I'm no expert but holding a gun by the magwell is not how you do it).

Anyway, GBB SMG's and rifles just wouldn't go down as good as people might think.

Now if I could put into production all these wonderfull (yet surely flawed) ideas I have about a propane combustion rifle....then maybe :) But we all have these dreams....
Paintball did propane combustion, surely we could.

I agree that they don't sound intimidating at all
troublesome IF they fail (go prometheus!:) )
over engineered? more like UNDER engineered, it's a very simple system made of ALL the wrong metals (pot metal BOOO!)
hi-caps ARE gay, unless its a drum or box, and only on an LMG, those really do rattle. And drums just look stupid on rifles.
And lastly, improper firing techniques piss me off too, but just because your gun is gas powered, it doesn't make you any more aware of what your doing.

Honestly I REALLY like the gas powered guns, they're cool to watch, cool to shoot, the fact you can change their FPS whether your playing indoors or out. The only downside I've seen to them is the hose on the stock. Unless of course you want to pay 200$ a mag.

Tanio Koba is about to release a Diemaco C8 GBB.

Info
http://www.taniokoba.co.jp/m4news0814.html

Video
YouTube - Tanio Koba Gas Blowback M4 Airsoft
YouTube - TANIOKOBA GUSBLOWBACK M4(C8)

Exactly what ThunderCactus said, what does that have to do with the method of propelling the BB?

Uh think about it....

Can you hold you GBB by the slide an fire it....NO....(a lame ass AEP yes)

If you've got a bolt with some kick flying around, there won't be any more holding-of-the-mags or firing out of stance.

It won't have that much kick...
More of just a sound difference.

Ha Ha. Try an Escort M60, it's beastly

Enough that it throws your aim off like a real steel? Not likely.

haha, I never said it throws your aim off...I just said it was beastly :D

heh, never said real steel either

I know I know, but the previous argument would only apply if the gun had real-steel-like recoil.

No, it applies, read what I said....

You're going to have to be aware of a moving bolt and ejection port. So you're going to be more likely to hold the gun the way it was meant to be held.

With a tiny bit of bolt movement? I'd think you could hold the gun any way you want, including sideways with one hand, lol.

correct me if im wrong, isn't the marushin M2 carbine a GBB of sorts? it's neat in the fact that it has two gas chambers, one for semi auto and one to assist the first in full auto to prevent loss of power. I can't imagine how fast that freezes the mechanism though

Escort guns do not have a tiny amount of bolt movement. The recoil IS enough to throw your aim off on full auto slightly. They certainly have more recoil and noise than the TK guns, that's for sure. Look at any Youtube video.

Look for the aatv video review on the SP M16. It has some good video through the optics and with a laser on the target so you can see how much it jolts around.

YouTube - Airsoft: Gas YE-MP5 Underwater - Available in HD Y-E gas mp5 fires in water?


yeahhhhh, gas rifles own.

Has anyone seen the old school Tokyo Mauri commerical where the guys are running around with the tanks on their backs? I'm glad my gun is electric.

Yeah because TM wasn't trying to sell anything there. :rolleyes:

I'm glad my gun doesn't sound like a friggin' sewing machine.

STAR has this : http://www.starairsoft.com/product_d...?productid=266

which I'd pickup if I had the money =)

Meh i would run around with a tank on my back if i got my hands on that m60 :)

What's a bolt action sniper rifle have to do with gas blowback rifles?

That's what everyone else says after they shoot my SP. :)

Tell me folks, where's the tank and hose in this shot? And no, it's not the HydraStorm drinking tube draped over my shoulder.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...4/100_0616.jpg

It's gas powered, the action just advances the next round without compressing a spring. It's not gas blowback, but it's a gas operated rifle. Pretty cool regardless, if you ask me.

Coming out of the handle, which you so happen to have precisely placed to hide it?

Actually, that's where the hose is in the original design of the SP. Most classic airsoft have the air input either in the pistol grip or from the buffer tube if an M16 variant.

Gryphon, how do you find the straight hose? I use coiled, myself. Just curious of how you found it.

im pretty sure gryphon uses a Coiled tube as well.

Yep, mine's coiled as well. I could get away with a smaller straight hose that would hide easier but it's difficult to find 6mm hose in black locally. I'll have to order some.

And yes, the tube comes out of the pistol grip and is hidden by my arm. ;)

How would someone go about getting their hands on one of these fine Gas driven pieces? Aside from the classifieds that is.

I am teh winnar!
What do I get?

Ah, undestood. The hydration hose is just simply a hydration hose then. Got on the wrong track when somebody else mentioned the hose cover...

Just to throw in my 2 cents. I'm not a big fan of the reliability of a Gas System versus an electric one. I've never owned a GBB rifle but I've owned several handguns including a full auto Glock.

The cool down factor is a big one and the only way I can see getting around it is to have a LOT of mags. Then you could allow used mags plenty of time to regain their heat. Sticking them next to your man-purse accelerates the process but makes running difficult.

Well, his has an external tank, so it won't be a problem. And the gas system is supposedly much more durable then most handgun GBBs.

Its probably more reliable then an AEG actually... especially underwater ;)

You've never heard of Classic airsoft have you?

what happens when you run out of gas in the external tank?
you would need extra backup tanks, one large main tank to refill the smaller one, or a compressor.

i think Tonio Koba is heading in the right dirrection with the gas in the mags.
each mag should have more then enough gas to shoot 30 rounds+ blowback.
if made to be powered by CO2, then you'd have no problems playing at paintball fields since they have plenty of CO2 tanks to refill your mags.

sure the mags would be more expencive, but the rifle it self would be cheaper (at least it should be) since it wont have that complex sewing machine running on the inside needing constant maintenance just to keep it running.

CO2 is fairly cheap, batteries-pistons-springs-gears-motors-wires, all that crap can be expencive, and i think its impractical to have all of that just for the simple operation of shooting a BB down a tube.
keep it simple and it'll be reliable. make it complex, it'll be expencive and troublesome.

i'd sell all my AEG's for one good GBB rifle.

Tanio Koba mags use CO2 powerlets from what I hear, non refillable... I could be wrong.

There is another company (on youtube) that made pretty much the same gun, except it takes propane.

And those CO2 cartridges get expensive real fast if you have a itchy trigger finger.

Ok, I gotta give you gas guns guys props. A guy at the game on Saturday had a gas gun and it was amazing messing around with it. Scared the crap out of people when I fired it too.

Well considering I have one 9 oz tank that's lasted for an entire bottle of PHX .28s and STILL has gas in it, I don't really concern myself with running out since it happens about as often as you running out of battery power.

That's certainly one nice benefit! :D

They sound soooo amazing on Full Auto.

Indoor Toytec P90 is insane....

As far as the cooldown problem, as long as there is an external air source it is never a problem. I've used an Escort MP5 in cold weather flawlessly, not one pressure difference. HPA is also a good alternative to co2, but requires more work to refill.

No worries about cool down. I once used my FTC SD3 (now sold to another ASC member) with CO2 in the middle of winter with no frost or issues. Only down side was no hopup for that design.

I was concerned that the fixed hop would be an issue with my SP, and the adjustable hop mod for this gun is not something an amateur would want to attempt.

Both I, and everyone I've shot at long range, can safely attest that the fixed hop in my gun is NOT an issue! :) You should see how well it sails these PHX .28s. Unbelievable.