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correct molle gear for US SF
do the US SF guys wear Ciras or just the marines? I know that they wear whatever they really want... but I want to be as authentic as I can.
reason I ask is my plate carrier just doesnt have the capacity I'm looking for |
which unit? USMC FR uses diff kit from an ODA which uses diff kit from one seal team, to another. You need to be a bit more specific Graham.
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US Special Forces, so not any marine/navy units.
more like the SF units associated with Airborne |
US Army Special Forces are a unit that belongs in the Special Operations Forces (SOF) which comprise of several special units from Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.
In the SOF, since you've mentioned Army units, you're mostly left with the Special Forces and Ranger units. The SF pics that I've seen, they wore a wide range of gear from chest harness to armour vest. If you want to be like a Ranger, just make sure that the gear comes in Ranger green. You're pretty safe if you choose something that is made by Eagle. Lot's of sites will have specific threads on these units so that you can get a better idea of what you like. |
A Tan Maritime CIRAS is fine with SF units and many other SOF units ;)
If your just looking for Plate carriers Ravs and CIRAS will be fine, but as you stated SF tend to where their own thang, depending on region and ODA. Some American SF and Polish SF in Ramadi http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...anda/48656.jpg SF and their tweaked humvee http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...anda/48655.jpg Sexy m79 http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...a/48650yn3.jpg |
US Army Special Forces also use SPEAR gear (vertical MOLLE loops instead of horizantal like everyone else)
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Also if you have Mag Pulls but they on back wards. SO turn them 90 degrees. It works a lot better.
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WTF?
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The only different type of magpul is the Ranger Plate ones. |
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The end user assessment is that it was a giant piece of shit, both the armor carrier and the ELCS kit. Cmooooon MikeL, hehe, I expected you to be on top of this stuff :D |
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I think he means this. Which is actually a great idea..the thing is super tight on there and and the pull is low profile but still grab able.
http://www.teametf.ca/gallery/d/13661-1/magpull.JPG |
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Yo man, I heard from some super secret squirrels from ODA megaforce that sandpails are the HSLD shiznit for dumping mags. Beats rollypolly hands down.
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greenside
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So if your looking at a green-side kit, ODA style.... My personal advice would be to avoid plate carriers.. IIRC most green side kit-outs dont use them since they can be very uncomfortable after 24 hours, and overtly hot. I'd say go with something like the LBT 1195 rig (though i suppose that might be more seal), or a chest rig. the LBT 1961 is nice, or the BHI CRCH is sexy too... What primary are you running? Does it have to be modular? What uniform pattern? |
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1. LBT rigs, I am really uncertain as to whether SF actually use them. Afaik they are specifically a Navspecwar thing. 2. As for no armor in greenside, here are some pics of it. I can not say 100% they are all SF as opposed to another unit like EOD or something, but from what I can remember they were at least not Navspecwar. I need to wait for H-G to get home to confirm this info and to the validity of the photos. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...yu/a_sfp33.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...u/gsadgdas.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...sf_phil_51.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/Yuxiyu/sf51.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...il5editwj2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...l35editpo6.jpg |
You got me, I have a NSW fetish, and sometimes i leaks into other parts of my brain:P.
Personally, I think greenside,I think NSW riverine, but thats just me. In any case, i think I should calrify. By Greenside, does he mean a green, yet still sandbox-esq loadout? Or something more along the likes of LRRP. Most of the armour-shots you have there are "greenside" loadouts in that they are a temperate environment, but are still in built up areas. edit- no disrespect taken, I'm the first to admit that my knowledge of non NSW kit is sub-par these days, and to be honest you and yourboys seem to have it right on the money! |
Searh for SF in Phillipines, I'll have to search my PC but they are like 1 year old
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great pics, thanks guys. looks like some dudes are wearing Eagle gear
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If CIRAS is good enough for Gary Sinise, it's good enough for me!
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2. Not 'greenside' kit. |
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As do I, hell, for the longest time I didn't know what greenside was, despite how obvious the name is. Yeah, I also think LBT riverines, or ALICE setups, etc, but I guess today's world military situation calls for armor to protect valuable manpower. Glad there was no disrespect taken! Thank you for your kind words ;) |
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Alot of the Kit worn in the GWOT, on the Army SF / Ranger side is coming from Eagle Industries.
As you can see in the Pics, Coyote Tan / Ranger Green / and even some retro Woodland is still being worn. Alot of latitude is given to operators on setting up their "Rig" as it works for them. I wouldnt say theres any SET way to go to emulate / reinact their set ups. |
im no expert but i do know from using my stuff on field ex's you could change how youve got stuff set up 20 times before you get it figured out, use the pics as a guideline, like aries_ranger said thiers no set standard
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Also, greeside does not equal "urban ops in green environments". Big clue - helmets arent worn greenside.
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Not that Iam into doing impressions of any particular unit , I just use what works best for where Iam. I have owned a helluva lotta gear but recently scaled it back. The way I see it the best option has been a plate carrier and another base rig (chest rig or molle lbe harness) I personally have 2 full sets of pouches (1 in coyote and 1 in od) that way I can use either base rig with the pouches I need for the terrain Iam in. It dosent matter what the color the base rig is because the pouches cover most of it up anyways. It costs a bit more in the long run but your gear will last you ages and it saves from buying a ton of different rigs.
Thats my take on things anyways :) Currently Iam running with alot of different companies pouches because they all have something different but very usable. Most of it is PPM or TT stuff but there are a few esstac , eagle , and supply cpt pouches thrown in. |
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Last pic, guy on the right, those almost look like Merrel hiking boots lol
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Merrel Sawtooth are pretty popular within many SOF
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merrels.
Greenside 'm thinking the RLCS kit, in particular the RRS(or RRV), even though thats what they are wearing in Iraqistan, cept stay away from the CIRAS stuff. But I've seen plenty of pics where guys are wearing the old lbv-88's with the belt kit, and the eagle tac-v vests in particular. However these pics may be a little older. The thing with jungle is that less is more as the old saying goes. |
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Those are in Fact Merrels.
Kit could be Eagle or paraclete, as they are the 2 Major suppliers to JSCOC and SOF. And you dont see many, if any Army teams wearing DCU's in IZ anymore. |
I used to own a pair of those actually :o
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Another thing graham you may want to ask yourself.
Is this my outdoor rig. If so, ask yourself how much you crawl around through trees and shit. If the answer is plenty and lots the last thing you should be buying is a CIRAS. If anything go Tiger 12 and get a chicom rig and a 6004. |
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