TM 1911 vs WE-TECH 1911
 

Sup guys! I would just like to know your opinions which one is better,

The TM 1911(ABS Built) or the WE-TECH 1911(All Metal) (Both the old kind of 1911's WWII models)!

Thanks!

Hm, I could write a whole book on this, or just point you to this link: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...pic=79463&st=0

In short, if you've got a lot of money to spend and/or don't care about full metal body right off the bat, go with a TM1911. If you're on a tight budget and/or want a full metal body ASAP, go with the WE1911. It's worth noting that WE involves a higher rate of lemons, but you take the good and the bad when buying a WE.

TM > WE hands down

When you run a plastic slide on propane for a good 6+ months on a TM gun u'll understand why.

I have the tm1911 and it handels propane and green really well and and added bonus this thing is hella loud, lol

Thanks Guys thinking the same thine :) TM :)

Uh... I think you mean TM < WE

(eg. Lesser < Greater )

I have a WE 1911, it's great for chairsofting....airsofting belongs to my TM Hi-Capa.

Personally, I'd suggest the WA 1911A1. It's built like a russian tank, and only costs $235CAD.

i need my hands on a TM 1911

No, I believe he means TM > WE as in TM is greater than WE because as far as results show for the newer version TM GBB's (including the 1911 altho less info because its new) you don't need full metal in order to run propane reliably. And with TM you're getting better quality control and fit/finish.

Wow, so the TM 1911's run propane out of box reliably? I didn't know that when I bought mine, but ill be that much happier when it gets here.

I know TM makes good stuff and I look forward to trickin this out (although my back account cowers in fear), but thats the life we choose to live

peace

They're very similar to the Hicapas, which are extremely reliable on propane. However, the 1911 is a newer design, and is narrower, so the sidewalls on the slide etc are a bit thinner. I think basically at this point there isn't evidence to show whether its reliable or not, however based on the fact that it has pretty much hicapa internals, peoplel are guessing that they're quite reliable.

Worst case you play it until it breaks and then upgrade to metal slide, something most people do eventually anyway.

And you can give the community some feedback on how long it lasted :D

Kanyon, he's clearly implying that the metal slide is better. I don't know where you got the idea that tm's(abs) slides don't crack...

I ment what i wrote, and wrote what i ment... TM > WE
The plastic slide will survive a longer peroid on propane than a WE guns' internals will last on duster.

(maybe a little bit of an exageration)



Good thing we didnt have to get the grammer police involved in this one.

Quick question about that review. Don't flame if it's stupid, BUT... If the WA trades are quite crappily (is that a word?) put on there, would it be possible to get a metal stamp set and re-do them deeper? Considering the WA is metal. I don't know what the metal is like. Although I assume it's not top quality. And doing so might weaken the slide a bit one would think. Would that be an option?

I'm guessing you mean WE instead of WA. And yes the metal is pretty crappy, and adding proper trades to the gun will not make it better. I don't know for sure if you can get a metal stamp and re-do them, but i'm sure something like that would cost you quite a bit and is not worth it on a WE gun. To the original poster, get a TM. TM is abs yes, however TM is known for performance and reliability. I've dealth with WE guns and I can say that out of the many that i've gotten several were lemons. I suggest steering clear of WE.

Oh jeeze, I must have read it wrong. Too many brands. Okay I thought the WA had the metal, so I figured it might not be a terrible idea. Thinking now you'd have to have the same stamps in the correct font to make it good.
Well TM would be the way then. Thanks Grim

If you're going to game it, definitely get TM over anything else.

A good portion of their lineup now is pretty much propane ready, or has proven to run on propane for a long time without failure stock out of the box.

This includes the P226, Hi-Capas (4.3/5.1) and the 1911.

Thanks for that. I think it'd be propane or nothing. But I mean if the slide breaks, then I'd just get a new metal one. (With a couple other addon's). So yeah... Thanks for the imput! :D

Thanks for the help guys. TM seemed more reliable. Should be getting one soon for my side arm :)

Just got mine in the mail 2day. My god...this peice looks amazing, way better than in the pics i've seen on the web. The weight is nice and even and the slim mag is a VERY good change from the usuall bulky mags.

Put some propane in the mag, popped in 3 shots and fired away. Its got a pretty good kick to it, much harder than my FMU ksc uspc...but yea, i luv the short trigger, i luv the looks....yea its plastic but its still the sickest peice ive seen thus far...cant wait to get a fmu upgrade on it and have it weigh a ton :-)

anderson and anderson have got 5 in stock for a good price...check em out (i dont rep them)..get this peice asap if you luv the 1911a1 series peices!

Creation has just released a full metal upgrade kit... gonna get that soon...

I've been running a TM hicapa 5.1 for 3 years now. Zero maintenance except a bit of oil in the mags once in a while. The only upgrade I have done to the gun is a 150 recoil and hammer spring the rest is stock. I never ran anything other than propane in the thing... ya the slide lock is dead but the rest of the gun is still running.

But the two WE I worked on died within 6 months

just a question for those that know: whats the major diff between the pgc and the guarder metal kits other than trades? which one fits better and is easier to install?

PGC is CNC'd... Gaurder kits are die cast (i think) and lower in quality than the PGC on two levels: production and overall finish.

I heard there is alot of filing when installing the PGC... so I will be purchasing the creation kit... alot more expensive but the fitment is excellent.

how do you know the creation fit is realy good? all i hear about are pgc with a few guarder going around so im not sure myself. I dont mind a bit of sanding (makes the peice look more real), but i dont wanna learn to be a gunsmith ;-)

Also, creation only makes slides, not lower frames?

Creation just released a full metal kit for the TM1911... go to globalairsoft.com and you will find it...

jeez! $239 when the guarder/pgc is around $130?!?!? why is it so expensive? Also, how do you plan to get it from hong kong to you without it gettin seixed (haha)?

Tell yourself you're paying for extra, extra quality, if it'll help you sleep at night. ;) And talk to Raygis, he might be able to get the kit for you.

Agreed, I had to fix two brand new WEI Dragons last year, while they are cheap and kick hard, they really aren't that reliable. Another bud of mine recently got rid of his WEI 1911 Dragon because he was having really bad issues with it.

I just got a WE1911. It kicks hard and is quite accurate in stock config, even more so now that I've shimmed a lot of the looseness and put in a Tanio Twist barrel and v-hop bucking (plus the stock hopup lever is the H style). But it's having issues feeding consistently, and it's definately a summer gun. Not a problem for me, though, since I got it at a great price so I can afford to upgrade the internals some more. :)

I have a WE-Tech 1911 Tactical that I got from airsoftgi.com for $110. However, I did get a little bit of a lemon, but I think I know how to fix it. It's a pretty good gun, + you get a free spare mag.

I've been researching 1911's for a while and this thread really helped. I'll probably go for the TM Hi-Capa 5.1 based on what I've read here.

WE vs. TM 1911
 

Here is my question. Is the WE compatible with TM parts? I have seen one thread on ASC about this because the guy wanted to install a threaded barrel and silencer on his 1911. The person who replied said that he 'believed' that WE is compatible with TM parts. What I am looking for is a straight answer to this question? No "i think so" or "i believe so." Yes or no? lol

Just a final note, I plan on getting a WE 1911A1. IMHO no one should be forced to pay $150-$250 for a full metal upgrade. It boils down to the fact that it is a chunk of metal that has been cut to shape:smack:

No, it boils down to the fact that pistol frames are restricted parts and we can't get them easily in Canada.

Like I mentioned earlier Styrak, it is my humble opinion. If you want to spend a ton of money on a slide, I am not stopping you :)

Anyways, back to my original question. Is the WE 1911 compatible with TM 1911 parts?

Some parts are, some parts aren't. Any parts you wondering about in particular?

Its the outer barrel I am interested in, and the magazines. I would like to attach a silencer to a threaded outer barrel. Does WE sell spare magazines?

The magazines aren't compatible. There was an impromptu test on the field one day with a TM1911 and a WE1911. The mags would slide in a certain point but not catch properly. Saint was there too so he might have more details.

The slides you can get cheap. It's the frames that are the problem :S.

I just want to say as someone who has owned WE hi-capa's and currently own a TM 1911.. that WE guns are terrible. The metal all has rough and bad edges.. bad fitment. Overall I would never recommend a WE gun to anyone. The high number of lemons, terrible workmanship and failures easily makes it worth it to save up a little more to get a TM.

WE sells spare mags, you can find them at UNCompany and WGC. The outer barrel is the same for both, though there are always possible fitment issues with aftermarket parts. If you go over to Arnies, there's more info there because the question of fitting TM outer barrels to WE1911 has been asked repeatedly.

I got a WE Tech 1911 (They call that ''M1911'' on the box...don't know why) and it's a very good gun for that price ! It shoots hard,and pretty good. When you rip the orange tip it lookslike a real, so don't make bad jokes with it.

I don't get any problem,and the only bad point I've found is the bad smell of propane.
For low-budget skirkmishers, it's THE gun to buy.

I don't know why everyone is so hot about the WE 1911's, they're horrible. Look around the forum, there's tons of threads concerning problems with them. And the comparison always seems to between WE and TM/WA, what about poor KJW? Yeah, KJW is still not TM/WA quality but it's certainly better then WE. And the main argument in favor of the WE, ie the full metal, is also true of the KJW. Generally the only thing people have against KJW guns is leaky mags, but I have both a 1911 and an M9 and not a single leaky mag between them. I haven't had a chance to game the 1911 I admit, but my M9 has served me very well. I'll admit the 1911 is definitely a summer gun but that's true of any of the single stack 1911 models.

Kuro_Neko

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol


To anyone thinking of buying one of these, make sure you order 2-3 of each of these as well heheheheheh

http://www.marstar.ca/images/Handgun...00-Bushing.jpg
http://weairsoft.com/index_product_v...1&imgid=452188

and

http://weairsoft.com/index_product_v...1&imgid=452189

Actually there's several threads already that cover a few simple steps you can take to make the WE 1911s reliable. Half the people who rag on 'em do so based on hearsay and/or had trouble because they never corrected the underlying issues (actually it's just one issue at the root of it all, the slightly over-long spring guide; all the subsequent problems were a direct result of people trying to fix their broken gun without first understanding why it broke in the first place).

So the fact they have crap gas efficiency and bad fitment, and sometimes don't work properly aren't issues?

The crappy gas efficiency is really only on the WE Hi-capas, the 1911's are only a single stack 14 rounder so the gun can blow through a whole magazine and still lock back. The bad fitment issues however that is a real problem on the 1911's

Most single stack 1911s have poor gas efficiency, specially on propane. I get roughly the same performance (~20-ish shots) as I do from my Western Arms single stack 1911 mags. I do suggest replacing the piston head in the WE (which, as previously mentioned, is mentioned in other threads).

I also wouldn't call bad gas efficiency a major issue, as long as it can empty the BBs, which it does.

As for fitment, you mean furniture? I don't see how you consider them "bad", or are you talking about the recoil spring guide? (we already addressed that)

And what doesn't work? I have two, I did the mods, they work fine.

WE can either be great or utter crap due to the high lemon rate. If you want a showpiece, they'll do fine either way. Metal is a bit cheap; they don't take dings well and scrape easily. By not taking dings well, I mean they can outright crack from things the TM, WA, and other brands would shrug off.

Magazines are pretty crappy; usually leak, sometimes even out of the box and any base pads inevitably wobble. This wouldn't be a problem if their mags were compatible with other brands, but as far as I can tell the single stack mags are proprietary. Really quite sad though, because it seems that most of the other problems can be solved.
A minor nitpick, but if you're looking for a reenacting pistol, the WE has a shiny chrome barrel never used in the original 1911s and 1911A1s.

By fitment I think they mean how the parts interlock and tolerances.
My TM MEU has almost no rattle in it, and the all the parts fit tightly but work well. Isn't just for my sidearms either; my teammates' Hi Capa 5.1s and Sigs have similar tolerances.
No matter what you say about the other issues, you have to admit that the WE techs do rattle horribly.

I suppose you could solve problems in the WE with a bit of work like Drake stated, but I'd get the TM because you rarely find any problems, period.

Most of their newer pistols are good with propane. Just don't use it in their Desert Eagles. I know the M92s, Glock 17 3rd gen, capa series, 1911 and MEU, Sig all work well.

1911 is good for period loadouts. The MEU has lots of the nice features on modern 1911s. However, they aren't quite as skirmish friendly as the Capa series due to a pretty low gas capacity. I typically load 20 into an MEU mag instead of 28.

My experience has been the opposite: mandatory shortening of the recoil spring guide and other small modifications aside, the WEs have been functionally good (I've had three; sold the HiCapa cuz it turns out I don't like HiCapas, but I have an MEU coming) but aesthetically they're pretty crappy. With the exception of the MEU they either lack or have butt ugly markings, the grey Parkerized-wannabe color is unappealing and wears easily, and a personal pet peeve is the blatant absence of the rollover notch (flaring) on the ejection ports of the modern versions (Tactical, MEU).

The TM and WA come with plastic, so when dealing with a metal upgrade the end quality (and resistance to dings etc) really depends on the body kit you end up buying. And that being said, the base WE is still cheaper than the base TM or WA in most cases, so you could still add higher quality aftermarket body parts to it and come out ahead, price-wise.


Have to agree with the mags, although I've had leaks develop on mags of just about every brand at one time or another. The fix is usually pretty simple. More annoying than leaks, IMO, is the plastic feed lip on the WE mags -- really wish they'd gone with metal like WA. Fortunately they now sell replacements.


True, but only an issue if you're looking for an era-specific 1911A1 (WW1/WW2/Vietnam etc). I noticed they did use a proper black barrel in the MEU, not sure why they aren't just dropping those into the 1911 Classic now. Again, the silver lining on the cloud is you can use aftermarket parts (as confirmed by bleaches) if you want black. I'm swapping out my chambers for other stainless ones (and maybe a matching barrel) just because I want better markings.


lol ok, that's not what fitment means (Styrak, tsk tsk): the correct word is "fit."

fitment: An item of permanent furniture or equipment; A thing fitted to another in order to accomplish a specific purpose


I've read reviews that mentioned loose fit/tolerances on first gen WE 1911s, didn't seem as bad on mine (2nd gen), TM may be fit more snugly but my Western Arms 1911 is similarly loose as the WE. Either way, it's not some horrible wobble/rattle, at least in my two guns.


This has not been my experience. What generation gun did you witness this on?



As long as you plan on staying with plastic, then yes the TM is probably a better option. But anyone with experience installing metal kits knows once you go down that path you usually need to start changing other stuff as well, so you're back in the same place.



A double stack load on what should be a single stack mag rubs me the wrong way right off the bat, so it's not a huge issue for me. I prefer milsim and realcap loads, so my 1911 mags usually have 8 rounds (standard Wilson or Chip McCormick single stack 1911 mags as used with MEU 1911s). This also allows me the use of highflow valves, even with the limited gas reservoir.


When I get the MEU (which will be new and unmodified), I'll give it a good look over for the points you brought up; my current WEs have been tinkered with all sorts of ways and have a bunch of aftermarket parts, so my assessments may not be 100% fair when dealing with a stock gun.