Do you have china made guns?
 

Hi,

Do you have or own china made guns like Well R6, Cyma MP5-J, DE M50, etc? :)

I have the UTG MP5, it was ok but the lack of Trademarks and poor fire selector are turn offs. My front RIS for my TM M4 came from a WELL M4 that I butchered along with the verticle grip.

The Well R6 is a great gun. There is a fellow here who got it from the states. It has held its own for several games now and shoots great. It shoots as well as my ICS, which kinda pisses me off.

I am going to open it up sometime this weekend and see whats inside, but from what I can see it has a plastic mechbox. Selector switch is weak and there is too much resistence in semi mode to really fire well in semi, but auto works great. And the hicap it comes with works great as well.

UTG MP5 here, it's pretty weak, but it's only my loaner gun for cheap friends who doesn't want to buy their own guns.

I see. I just brought a china gun. A Well R6. I tried to modify it and I've been addicted. I fixed all possible air leaks by applying some teflon tape. Changed the barrel to a 510mm 6.03ID tightbarrel, changed the cylinder to type 0, changed the plastic bushings to metal bushings, re-shimmed then installed a SP120 spring. Tested on a poor man's chrono using .2 BB, it made a hole at bottom central then dimpled on the other side (top).

I'm planning to change gears and the piston body soon so that I can install a SP130. Now my china gun shoots just like my CA M15A4 Carbine. The only thing I didn't like about the china gun is poor quality plastic material, no real gun logo and the barrel is not one piece.

Anyway, I want to buy the china M14. I've seen it and it really looks like the marui. it also has metal parts. I'll modify it also once I've brought it. :p

Hmm. Sorta reminds me of my next project: adding a turbo onto my 4-door sunfire. Stupid, nearly pointless... But a definite cool factor.

firemachine, damm, I thought you were dead

In general, most people here have a very low opinion of Cyma and other guns from China.
They tend to be extremely low quality. Even when they have actual mechboxes, the material to make the box is plastic instead of metal. There are major quality shortcuts everywhere.

Now, I dont know where you live or how old you are because your profile tells us nothing. I cant suggest you go to games or local help either.

If you can do so where you live; go to a game and see what people really use. You will understand in moments that people use what WORKS. Yes, there are cheap guns out there. I had a few myself because I had money to toss away then.
All have been spectacular pieces of crap.

Seeing them in person will make so many things clear to you.

Seconded.

He loaned it to me for a round, somehow it was used to effectively take out a guy with an ICS M4 + quite a few accessories.

Fixed hop-up and no functioning semi-auto, but I have to say it was pretty decent for a cheapo ripoff.

I gots a Well r-8 kicks about 15 rounds a sec at 300 fps im lovin it! Havn't taken it apart yet.

Most of the new ones have a pretty much direct copy of a TM mechbox, a metal one nonetheless, and most of their parts are compatable with TM as well. Hell china beat Tokyo Marui by already releasing the USP AEP, with a metal slide and double capacity battery nonetheless!

Cheers,
Alex

I took apart the R6. It does have an adjustable hop up. like a G36. only stiffer.

Regular mechbox
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...stock04052.jpg

R6
note the metal bevel gear and lack of motor connectors. They are just twisted on
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...stock05007.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...ock05009-1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...stock05010.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...stock05009.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...stock05008.jpg

Yeah, that whole thing with the USP had me going WTF. Can't say those guys are just copying anymore, even if the changes are baby steps right now. Hell, apparently the new M14 clone run on v3 gears. Those guys are learning fast, it'd be frightening if they could pull off the ultimate lesson: quality control. :rolleyes:

Yep, they are working on an FN2000 as we speak :) And a copy of a TM MP7!

F-ing Canada dont make them that worth it.

Cheers,
Alex

The internals may be metal, of what quality I dont know, but the plastic mechboxes? Sorry, that is not matching TM quality at all. It's cutting corners and making a prayer it wont break.

Not saying the guns cant have decent power and accuracy, but for how long?

How will a plastic mechbox hold up in the winter?

Yeah, and an FN SCAR, and a metal-slide USP AEP.

Damn, they've beaten Japan/Taiwan- they have a prototype FN2000 a week before G&G announces they're even going to make one, to be released in 2 years.

I'll have to side with Grelocks' on the plastic mech box being of questionable integrity. Though there exist several types of plastic polymers that are stronger than metal, those shown on this thread appear to be of typical hardened clear plastics (which I would not trust using in the winter; even stock).
SHA DO

Weird... most of the CYMA and WELL guns i have bought have metal mech boxes and they work great!

They may work great if you live in parts of the US where snow is a rarity. There are times when geography matters.

He says he has metal gearboxes, though.

If you don't take them out in crappy winter weather it hardly matters. I don't personally own a China-made gun but I don't play winter games...not outdoors anyway. I only bring my guns out during the warmer seasons.

does anyone know were i can find pictures or even a cyma website i want to see some of these.

Google, images, cyma.

They probably look exactly like Marui guns...

I'd go to Arnies for info on Chinese airsoft guns. They're a lot more in tune with that stuff than we are.

http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/indexeng.htm has some decent pics and a good selection of the best stuff out so far.

Friggin Canada...

Cheers,
Alex

haha thanks ancorp. just for you all to know im not interested in them although the 18c ebb looks interesting with the rail and silencer as seen on youtube but other than that, i find no reason to ever perchas one!

ooooo dear. cancle out what i just said i think i might have to get one of those MP008 or the m14,thinking that might be a nice project gun!

For $100, I wouldn't expect much from it. As much as it's a clone of the TM, it doesn't mean it works like the TM.

And I doubt any retailers deals with importing these guns. But if they do, I wouldn't mind getting the L96 as a display piece.

its gunna come out to about $250-$300 to import somthing that is $100 :( and did i say it would shoot and act like a tm?

Before you try to import anything, I suggest you read more on that issue. Better for you to get age-verified and only go through a Canadian retailer. If they dont have what you want on their website, email them to ask for a special order.

In general; dont buy crap, even if the crap pretends to match or equal the established brands, because when it comes down to it... they dont.

However, I'll be happy if someone can prove me wrong by showing me one of those wonderful guns and we can take it apart.

Already done on Arnies. I'll try and find it later on, and copypasta the article/pictures to here as you need to register.

It was pretty good, it did a full comparison of the gearbox with pictures and takedown.

No offense, I'd prefer to see it all in person.

It is nearly impossible to match the quality of the materials when your prices are a good ?30%? less. Shortcuts are happening somewhere. Is it workmanship? Quality and/or thickness of the materials? Poor labour pay?

However, the Chinese are really good at catching up after they get seed money to start something.

Time will tell, but for now I'm sticking with established brands and recommending newbies do the same.