Designated Marksmen/Counter-Sniper AEG advice
 

I started with a CA M15A4 CQB.

It been a great gun for me so far and has gotten me into airsoft in a big way. I have always had a particular interest with counter-snipers and designated marksman. Lots of material and tactics on that from the old Soviet Union; their snipers were part of the squad and were used to extend the squads effective range, rather than lone wolf teams as in the west.

I recently recieved a good deal on a full auto TM Glock18C AEP, giving me a nice backup, and this got me thinking about what kind of AEG would make a really good platform for a squad's counter-sniper/designated marksmen.

Would love to hear suggestions; I've read some great reviews on the CAM15A4 Rifle:

http://www.airsoftpacific.com/content.php?page=31

My idea so far:

CAM15A4 Rifle (510mm)
Tightbore (any suggestions for this platform?)
slightly upgraded spring approx 375-400 fps*
elcon sight (or similiar that has 1-4x magnification adjust)

*here is my concern; how far do I want to go with the spring in terms of best trade-off between reliability and performance?

And IF I wanted to go for superior performance, what modifications and reinforcement steps should I take to get a fairly reliable AEG that shoots 375-400 fps with .25 bb's?

Or am I dreaming? Or should I start saving for a Systema? :!:

well i read a actical in SWAT monthly about SDM and the US army hasen't picked a weapon YET.

personally i would use either a M14 or a G3-SG1 both are basicly snipers to start off with they have long barrels and large batteries. the only thing they need is a good scope mount and a 4 times power scope and your set.

Why would a sniper rifle need a large battery?

I know this is real steel info but it will give ya some good ideas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman

Personally I use an M14 for this type of job. When even lightly upgraded you get some good distance with it amd when you put a scope on it, it just looks pimpin. I cant wait till I get the rest of my parts in to create the Smith Enterprise M14SE "Crazy Horse" look for my M14

talking about the airsoft models not the real steal.

well

i have a CA M15 with at fixed stock and a silencer on so i can have a bit longer barrel 470 mm.

the setup is as follows

G&P 7mm bearing Gearbox
systema infinite torque gears
systema new bore up set for M16
systema hop up unit with black guarder bucking
Guarder blue half teeth piston
systema bearing spring guide.
guarder SP170 spring.
Eagle force hummer 1300 motor
1,5 mm^2 wiring
12v GP 3700 mah battery
Fixed stock for M16
Guarder mildot 32x4

currently it shoots an 0,2 ICS bb out with 185 m/s or 610 fps
which gives me an engagement distance of around 80-90 meters with straight 0,36 bb which it fires with 125 m/s or 412 fps

it works really nice and at 50-60 meters it is dead accurate. i can easily hit a torso with 1-2 shots no problem and at 40-50 meters it is possible to head shot some one consistently, and i still dont have a prometheus tight bore in it.

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Best regards
Lars Ringsted

what kind of M15?

A2/A4?

Carbine/SPC?

I'm liking this one....



G&P SPR/A Full Metal 380fps


SKU # 10113
System : Electric
Action : Semi / Full
Gear Box : Version 2
Motor : EG700
Barrel : 510mm
Capacity : 130 rds


Length : 963mm
Weight : 3375g
Hop up : Ajustable
Battery : 8.4V Large
Price :

1100 CAD

Features: Full metal construction with free float RAS system. Flip up front and rear sight, SPR type body and charging handle. SPR type flash hider, takes up to 9.6V large battery without modification. One piece metal out barrel, one piece metal hop up, reinforced 7mm gear box, upgraded spring, metal bushings, reinforced gear set. 4 x RIS covers included.

neither of those guns have longer barrels than an m16

OK, I'll use different words.

Since a sniper rifle can be reasonably expected to not be launching bagloads of BBs, why would battery size be an issue? How many rounds is a sniper rifle going to be launching, anyway?

More current / voltage means not only that it can pull a stronger spring, but it will also mean that it is able to pull the spring back and release it faster, reducing trigger lag, which could mean a hit or miss for you if the target is moving.

Bingo.

In fact I would look at an 11.1V LiPo as a possibility. I know I've not been a fan of this battery chemistry due to it's relative immaturity and inherent risk, although for single shots where the amp draw will be very brief, I can't see a problem if using a high discharge model. This would provide an extremely fast shot with virtually no trigger lag but fit nearly anywhere, should one decide to go with a collapsible stock and a free float rail system for instance.

Just make sure you remove the full auto contact from the selector plate...

For that matter, why would a battery be necessary at all? What would be wrong with using a spring sniper rifle in sniper vs sniper?

Many folks have used M24, APS2, L96 in sniper roles. Counter-sniper duties for a sniper have been used for every war last century for good reason.

Fast followup shots, primarily. Most high end sniper rifles are upgraded with insane springs that nearly require the use of both hands to cock. Not only can that be difficult while comfortably prone with your rifle shouldered, it's liable to reveal your position from the movement. It also takes a while compared to an AEG where you can just squeeze the trigger again.

Some like the ability to go to full auto but I don't agree with that. You're either a sniper or an assaulter - pick one role and stick to it. If you really need firepower for when you're overrun, bring a spotter with a carbine or a backup gun. Besides which a properly done up sniper AEG could be dangerous on full auto with high velocities, not to mention breakage prone.

I agree with Gryphons post. I have an APS2 that has a 300% spring (I bought it that way, not really gameable until I downgrade the spring) and it is a bitch to pull the bolt back. You almost have to prop the butt of the rifle on your thigh to get enough leverage to get it back (I admit it, I'm weak). On the other hand my M14 can be deadly accurate and I dont think I have ever used it on full auto except for the odd time when there is like 30 seconds left in a game and I feel like just hosing bb's

Well, I've got a M15A4 CQB wih 7mm bearing, a metal spring guide and have talked to honest john about getting an SPR RAS, tighbore barrel, a full stock and a stiffer spring for sniper duty.

I would like to know what kind of spring would give me an accurate shot to 40-50 meters with .25 bb's in semi-auto. I wont be using auto except for rare occasions where suppressive fire is needed at LONG RANGES only....

I'm using 8.4 v 3300 mAh and would like to know the best compromise between performance and reliability for selecting a spring for his AEG.

I think the ras I'm looking at is this SR-25 from CA:

http://www.classicarmy.com/news.jsp#

However there is m15 rifle Fibre handguard that looks alot like an SPR mod 1

anyone have experience with SPR mod 0 and mod 1 ras?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Marksman_Rifle

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ug/SDMR002.jpg

If you want to go head up VS a "real" sniper, you need range and precision OR a large volume of round to saturate an erea.

So basically, you need to be a sniper yourself or you need a squad with AEGs.

Snipers are acurate up to 250 feets, on some occasions, 300 feets. AEGs are acurate up to 200 feets if lucky.

From experience, a tricked out M14 at 400fps would be just ok, because it give you some range and a rather usable acuracy. And you still have full auto.

I think what a lot of people are missing about the counter-sniper role is that it actually isn't a Sniper vs. Sniper setup. It's NOT Enemy At The Gates. The modern counter-sniper is something alone the lines of the US Squad Designated Marksman. The job isn't to go out and become bogged down in a protracted one-on-one hunt against snipers, but to be able to identify, locate and neutralize a sniper should the squad come under fire from one.

While additional range and accuracy are required, there's no real need to match the sniper's range, and the C-S/DM is still a fighting member of the squad, moving and operating alongside them rather than on his own, and who should be able to perform "regular" duty as a rifleman.

the SDM progarm was to take normal troopers and teach them to be able to take moderate to semi-long range shots. most SDM rifles are semi-auto only and have a 20" barrel with a 4 or 8X power scope they are to increase the range of a squad and help remove targets that the normal soldier could not take out.

IMO its a great evolution of the makeup of a modern infantry squad.

IF I'm not mistaken, that looks an aweful lot like the new Classic Army SPR....

drool

What kind of mag do you have there? I 've been looking for a locap version of the old school m16 mag for a weapon such as this...

they are called a VN mag. G&P makes them and star makes them in 20round lowcaps

It's a scratch-built custom based on the US Army SDMR, referenced in the link above. Systema, Hurricane, King Arms, G&P, Harris, Specter Gear and KM are all featured in the final product. I can list a breakdown if you want.

SPRs do not have fixed front triangle sights, nor do they usually use the ACOG as a primary optic.

You are mistaken.

Although the rail system is a similar Knight's Armament design as one found on the M16A4 (MWS)/M5, SR-15 Match, and SPR MK12 mod1, the barrel, front end cap and the front sights are different, as are several other features that definitely don't make it an SPR. I believe the M5 has a front end cap that locks the rail system to the barrel, and as such, the barrel is not truly free floating.

Tokyo Marui has made an 80 round low capacity VN for almost 2 years now.

My SPR MK12 mod1:

http://i.pbase.com/o4/19/177719/1/66...rB04I.SPR1.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/19/177719/1/66...AI2Jt.SPR2.jpg

Brian, Stop showing off your sexy guns...is driving me crazy!!!

impressive. the crane stock on the sniper looks bitchin. You need to get the CA Mk12 Mod 0 frontend.

Omg I need to change my boxers..

its much more efficient not to wear boxers....or anything else for that matter. I call mine the ASC drip bucket.

8O

thats a great idea droc u should patent that idea and sell it use so when we go see the new shit ILLusion made we dont need to do the extra laundry.

No way. I purposely avoided the Mod 0 because:
a) it's an older design
b) it's not used by NSW, so it's not 1337 ;)
c) i like the railed look better.

is a G3SG1 as good as a M14 in terms of accuracy and range?

I'm not sure if three years ago has much of an opinion on the subject.

ok if your looking for a dmr
all of these guns should do with accuracy upgrades
M16 and type should do
The styer aug the barrel is the same length as the m16 except the gun is the size of a carbine you don't need that dmr look do you only th capabillity
hk g3
m14
all these rifles use the same length barrel pretty much

Hi there !

I'm have been counter sniper for a while..

The best platform to do it is a TM M14.. You need range, accuracy and effeciency. You have got it from a TM M14 upgraded to the top.

The whole setup of this AEG give you everything you need to be efficient.

My last M14 was 445 FPS on semi, and Headshot accurate at 225 feet. Short of Bolt action, bur Rate of fire and Mags capacity give you and edge over sniper.

Another great platform is the G3-SG1.. But is expensive to reach m14 effeciency.

JF