problem with a user... Dirty Sanchez
 

hallo
i have sold some stuff to a user from here... he must give mi 190$ for it... he got the stuff 13. of july, but he didnt pay yet...
i also wrote him a pm, but he didnt reply... i see him sometimes in msn messenger, mostly he is "away"... if he is online, he doesnt reply...

what can i do?

thanks

Don't send things until money is recieved. *in the future*

M

Who did you send these things to exactly? If you don't want to post his information publically, then send it to me via PM.

@nuttyhunter: thats what i actually do... but he wanted cod, that didnt work for canada... so he said he's gonna pay as soon as he gets the package...

@Freedom Fighter: Check PM :wink:

I think you might just be pooched.

Unless there is a user who is in there area that would be willing to be caught in the middle of things.

what is pooched? dont understand that word...

fucked!

hmm... seems 2b :cry:

Money before merchandise, Simple rule.

i know this rule... i actually deal only with this rule... but once i make an exeption, im already pooched... :-(

You might want to sell locally. Canada is kinda far to be sending shit from Switzerland.
Don't you have anyone over there looking for Airsoft?

Honestly? go public. leave negative feed back. otherwise you're protecting him and everyone else is looking at becoming a victim.

Sorry to hear about this. Hope he pays up .

Exactly, and possibly some of us may be able to apply some pressure if they are known to us.

Whats his adress that you sent the items too maybe we can get a few guys here to mess him up.

Yeah thats definitely going to solve his problems. </sarcasm>
-VM

I dont think brute force will help with anything. Public embarressment will be a better means of resolving the situation.

If we are able to identify the person. We can make him an outcast.

This will be a more civil approach.

I agree with that. The community needs to start taking a harder line on this kind of behaviour. People need to reveal these issues and stop taking it up the ass or else it will remain a constant problem.

Exactly... I think we have an excelent system of trade here, but if you get fucked, and dont use the system to its fullest, ie negative feedback, alert mods of his "games", ect your just as stupid as the one that took you.

It would be nice to help people out. but there is never a win:win:win trust me the more people involved the more people that get dragged in the mud.

We had a few guys here in Ottawa that where causing problems, the first one was a big one and I got dragged into it and was asked to ban the player from my field and I did. boy did that go over well!, the second bad deal I did not want anything to do with it. When lisa asked me for info I gave it to her and said that is as far as I am going.

Next thing I know, People are bashing me for not getting involved. So you a fucked if you do not help, and fucked if you do!

SO if you are going to help someone you better have your ass covered by both sides.

By pressure, I didn't mean violence. There are MANY ways to apply pressure without violence.

Dead beats should have a special title posted under their user name so that everyone can see and avoid dealings with them.

'Dickhead Verified' works for me.

There are some on here who have a Verification Removed Banner for those reasons.


Spitfire next time were on MSN let me know who. Shit like this sucks.

Agreed.

Permanent ban is a better solution so we dont have to ever see or hear from them again.

Then if possible... there should be a thread of their personal information for all to see so that people could avoid them at all costs.

I think if they have the nerve to rip the community off, we have the right to humiliate them anyway we see fit.

If you outright ban them, they'll attempt to get back in.
If you let them stay, but brand them a thief for all to see, they'll leave on their own.

Sure, they'll hate us, but they won't come back.

There's only one way to deal with a con artist or a 'cheater'. You can either A) Get rid of them or B) Do nothing and watch it happen to more people.

There's a bunch of ways to get rid of them, too. But, unfortunatly, some people will do nothing because they think it wont work.

It's up to the person who got screwed to report it to 'authorities' and then deal with it in whichever way he wants to deal with it. Banning? He requests it. Negative Feedback? Up to them. Nothing else can be done if they decide not to do anything.

@ wiseowl: added you in msn...
@ Sgt_Lynch: i sold it to canada because noone over here has a vsr 10...

the guy is in the msn, set on away... so i give him 1 day to answer my pms or my msn messages...

otherwise i will plublifie (?? does this word exist??) his name...

Publish works.... as in make it public...

But my english sucks so don't trust me!

M

Ok let me get this strate... your from Switzerland and sold a VSR-10 to a douche in Canada, how did it make across the customs? wasn't importing airsoft illeagle with out proper Docs?

He probably sold VSR-10 parts. He wouldn't be able to post in the guns FS section anyway.

I think correct logic would be he sold an accessory to some one with a VSR10.

i sold him some parts... not the gun itself...
here the link to the thread: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...ghlight=vsr+10

everything xept the silencer swap...

and the guy that has the parts is not silent souljah... :idea:

Would it be Dirty Sanchez, with 1 post and 0 trader rating?

aight, its him...
he seemd to be trustfull...
he lives in vancouver, i always thought those habitants were trustfull :lol:

The IP he posted from was 24.83.228.214

What address did you mail the parts to? I hope you did not mail it to a PO Box. Did you have to package tracked to ensure it was received by the person in question? Funny how he ignores you continually though. If you provide more details on this person we may be able to track down his whereabouts.

A fella in the Ukraine tried to screw myself, Vlad and another user (that never paid me back for his shipping costs ... I'll get my money from you believe me) but we got in touch with people in his area (who put a little pressure on the guy to do the right thing), and low and behold after 10 months of waiting we finally received our items. Without the help of locals there is little you can do. Thankfully most of us will offer help when this sort of shit seems to happen. You have to be careful, there are a lot of scumbags in this world.

It's not hopeless, your chances are just slim.

his name is brian if i am right...
im just calling the post service...
they might have the full adress

soo, they had it:

removed, stored in admin section.

thats the adress

Were you supposed to post his address for just anyone to see? Or pm it to FF...

who cares? maybe somes peoples from Richmond can apply i little pressure... as the guy didnt came on asc since june... IMO he ripped Spitfire on purpose.

Exactly, WHO CARES!!!

IMO his picture should be beside the address as well.

www.whitepages.ca, our telephone directory, doesn't have anything unfortunately: http://www.whitepages.ca/10002/searc...C&metro_area=1

:confused: i feel fucked in a way :-( :sad:

That address seems to be a business building. Look at the other units.

*Removed*

The person's actual place of residence would probably not match that address in the white pages.

Take it easy...

Alan.

hmm seems to be double faked...

Whoever he is, he's been age-verified. To show up here AND get age-verified just to rip off one person? That doesn't make sense to me. Whoever verified this guy might remember him, and now with all this drama, do you think he'll be welcome anywhere? He's alienated himself from the scene.
So he's either a great fool who doesn't think his shady dealings through, or there's a big miscommunication somewhere along the line. Just a thought.

not necessarily screwed... match address to phone number, call and ask for the person..

:oops: i don't know how to use canadian whitepages, just don't find it... could someone help me? :oops:

now his status in msn messenger is "online"... but he doesn't reply at all... :-(

he probably just deleted ur msn contact and put ignore on ur msgs... if he did... you will be able to see him... but he wont get ur msgs.

thats really terrible. i know ive recieved items before i paid for them, one asshole is going to ruin it for all, but as an after thought, there actually is no reasone to send the stuff out before you recieve your money for this reason. sorry some jerk had to do that to you, hope you sort it out quickly and he gets banned for asc.

spitfire just keep sending the guy nudges on msn thats wat id do
sorry to hear about this

he answerd now... he said the package was cheased at the customs... but there were only parts in it... i thought they wont chease parts?!

Surely you must have confirmation the package made it to his given address.

If you do, he's lying through his teeth.

it made it to his given adress, but he says he the customs took away the zerotrigger and the trigger guard... the just sent him spring strenghers... :S

First, try contacting your shipping carrier to see if they have any details on a seizure. Then call the Canadian Border Services Agency to see if they have any other details.

1-905-625-7100

1 is country code for canada
905 is area code
The rest is the phone number. I don't know if you need to dial any extra numbers to hit Canada from overseas.

Call that number in 2 to 3 hours from the time my message is posted and speak to someone there to try and trace the package. This agency is responsible for the seizure if it truly took place.

That number is actually for the east coast of Canada, but should be able to get transferred to the west coast CBSA.

Contact your shipping carrier and let us know how far you got.
It may also help if you post any other pertinent information, such as who the shipping carrier you used was, any package tracking numbers, etc etc.

If you provide us with the tracking information, and you shipped via your country's federal/national postal service, then it will get transferred to Canada Post when it arrives on Canadian soil. That tracking information is easily available to us all. I'm (unfortunately) VERY familiar with what a seized package looks like based on the tracking information. I have several of the Canada customs phone numbers in my directory (at least enough of the numbers to get me around.)

By providing this information to us, we can assist you further and quicker.

If I can see what the package information looks like, I may be able to help you determine the truth behind Dirty Sanchez's story.


Sorry, I'm really tired at the moment, so just to make sure all the babbling I'm saying is clear,

Provide us with this information:
1) Who your shipping carrier was (ie UPS? Fedex? DHL?)
2) What the tracking number for the package was
3) What date did you ship the package?


This is a situation of common sense (or lack thereof) and you didn't protect yourself.

It's like... how many grocery stores do you know of that will let you take all the products home, cook it, eat it, and then come back later to pay?

I know. Tough love. But I hope this is a lesson well learned.


Anyways, I hope things turn out for you.

1) Who your shipping carrier was (ie UPS? Fedex? DHL?)
2) What the tracking number for the package was
3) What date did you ship the package?

----

1) Swiss Post
2) RD192794029CH
3) 1.6.2006, arrived at 13.7.2006 (i sent it express, but it took longer...)

thanks!

By the looks of the tracking info, there were no delays inside of Canada that would suggest a siezure by our customs.

See in bold, no delays.

However I would call customs just to make sure.

well
when i call customs, what do i have to say?
like hey guys, what did you do with the package with the number RD.....?
or what?
never did that before :confused:

Actually...

Read it over again, very carefully.

It was sitting in customs for exactly one month. It entered customs on JUNE 7th. It was released to Canada Post from customs on JULY 7th.

That's the sign of a seizure.

But regardless - just because they seized the items, it's not your problem as the exporter. In the eyes of Canadian customs, the importer of the goods is always the one responsible for the nature of the goods entering the country.

He still owes you money.

Spitfire, I'll give customs a call for you and look in to it. It looks like the agency it entered was actually the number that I gave you and that number is local to me.

I'll get the details of the seizure from them.




As for Dirty Sanchez, his age verification has been revoked and his account is now under review and investigation, pending payment to you. It is his responsibility to go through the legal process of appealling the decision of customs and ensure that he has his proper paperwork in order when importing goods. He has 90 days from the day the item entered the country.

This is turning in to another case of "buy it in Canada or risk seizure." In the end, Canada customs is the ultimate controller of what gets in to the country or not and if they deem an item to be not in the best interests of a Canadian citizen to possess.... then they seize it, regardless of what is already written in government legislation or not.

Ya, in quebec they are backwards with their dates, days are in the month spot and month in the day spot, therefore I didn't look at the last spot on the dates.

Illusion is right, 1 month in customs = possible siezure. However the case, as stated Dirt Sanchez is now responsible for fighting the siezure, and still owes you money, Spitfire.

Man customs gonna have there boarder guards armed soon with all the seizures.
Upgrade parts to 500fps please order.

@ILLusion: thanks a lot! very friendly :cool:

thanks tho all those who help me!

I just got a call back from Canada Customs. Here's what we've learned:

The package came in to Canada Customs on June 7th. The inventory number attached to this package is CU327090215CA.

Due to the nature of the parts in the package (gun parts), they were sent to the Canada Prohibited Importations Unit for further inspection of the parts.

July 6th, ALL of the parts were cleared by the Canadian Prohibited Importations Unit and sent back to Canada Customs. - NO PARTS WERE SEIZED.
Canada customs tagged the package with a Canadian value of $171.21 and applied applicable taxes, duties, brokerage fees, etc totalling $27.25.

July 7th, the package was sent back to Canada Post.

From there, the package was delivered to the importer.

Again, NO PARTS WERE SEIZED. The delay in the shipment was due to a long inspection process of the parts.

Had any of the parts actually been seized, then Dirty Sanchez would have received a letter in the mail from Canada Customs. If he still believes the parts were seized... well too bad. That's not your problem, Spitfire. You held up your end of the bargain, which was to safely export the product out of your country - which you did. His end of the bargain is to import it AND pay you.

If he TRULY did not receive those items, then they must have fallen out of the package or gotten lost along the way and in that case, he should contact Canada Post to claim a refund on those parts. But the fact still remains, that's not your problem. HE STILL OWES YOU MONEY.

I hope this information helps you, Spitfire. Apply some pressure on Dirty Sanchez. If he is still not forthcoming with the funds, further "action" can be taken to ensure that he holds up his end of the deal.

dude, you are fucked.
well, 190$ for a lesson. that aint too bad.

After all the peoples trying to help him... thats all you have to say?
I think he still can get his money if peoples put some pressure on the guy

Looks like some one didn't read the thread before posting...
But ya Spitfire, you need to get your money back. Spam the guy if you have too.

You would think that if dirty sanchez was on the up and up he would have posted on this thread already.

@ illusion: thanks a lot! :cool: biiiiiiig help!! i will spam him in the msn...
i'll tell you if he answers and if he didn't im gonna tell you as well :wink:

I'm an admin in our local club and Dirty Sanchez has signed up to play in one of our games. I will see if i can get the other admins to ask him about it. Let me see what we can do about this...

hei jtf2,. thanks a lot for you support!
thanks to all who help me anyway! here is the best community i have ever seen, for real!

hy you all...
i talked to him... but he tells he didnt get the parts and stuff... well, read it and see what i mean :wink:


.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
hei
Dirty Sanchez says:
sup
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i called the canadian border
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
well the customs...
Dirty Sanchez says:
and?
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
they told me they didnt take away any part
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
they have garanteed it to me
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
they sent all parts to you
Dirty Sanchez says:
is that so?
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
yes
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
this is so
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
so you own me the whole ...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
if something is losT, the canadian posT must have losT it
Dirty Sanchez says:
then why do i only have these ring things i have no idea what to do with?
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
well i dunno...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
you have to get refound from canadian posT
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
if customs had sized items, they would have sent you a letter
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
what items are sized
Dirty Sanchez says:
refund for what?
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
the package was insuranced
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
the parts must be losT betweed customs and your house...
Dirty Sanchez says:
well i did get a call from ups the other day and asked me if i was expecting a package from some marketing company, and i said no cause i didn't know what the fuck it was, but thats pretty much it
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
so you got it
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
or not
Dirty Sanchez says:
NO I DIDN'T.
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
hmm
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
so you have to ckeck with canadian posT
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
call them, tell them you didn't get the parts...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
they must have losT the stuff in the package...
Dirty Sanchez says:
what do i say? i didn't get my gun parts? lol
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
no, tell them you didnt get the stuff you exspected to order...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
tell them they losT the parts between the customs and your house
Dirty Sanchez says:
yeh, then they'll ask me what it is, and i can't lie, cause if they do find it, they'll be like " what the fuck" and especially with the shit thats going on in europe w/ the terroritsts i don't exactly wanna tell them i'm having gun parts shipped to me u know?
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
and the parts arent gunparts, they are toyparts... otherwise they'd been taken away...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
why not... it not illegal to send this stuff around
Dirty Sanchez says:
no but u don't understand, u can only buy airsoft from outside canada if you have a replica fire arms liscense.. look it up on ASC if youw ant
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
no thats no problem
Dirty Sanchez says:
well over all, i don't really want the damn parts anymore, its been such a hassle, i waited so long for it, and when it came it wasn't even the stuff you said u were sending me
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i have been asking around there already
Dirty Sanchez says:
maybe it got lost, maybe it didn't, but its also unfair for you as well
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
yes
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
but you know, you own me the
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
thats like that after canadian law
Dirty Sanchez says:
thats why i'm willing to compromise some how
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
you have to pay me all
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
thats what i know
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
it not my fault if customs take the package to ckeck it...
Dirty Sanchez says:
theres no fucking way i'm paying you the full amount , i didn't get shit, and now your really starting to piss me off.
Dirty Sanchez says:
i'll give you an amount for all your troubles and all and let it be.
Dirty Sanchez says:
yeh, well its not my fault either... thats what i mean by COMPROMISE.
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
and its not my fault that the canadian posT looses the stuff...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
well yes its not...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
but YOU CAN CALL THE CANADIAN POST so they check where the stuff is
Dirty Sanchez says:
thats what i'm saying. thats why i'm wiling to reimburse you with something instead of NOTHING
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
and if they dont find, you are gonna get the
Dirty Sanchez says:
sorry dude. i'm done with this bull shit.
Dirty Sanchez says:
i'll give you $60 for all your troubles, which i think is very fucking fair
Dirty Sanchez says:
$60 for something i didn't even get, AND i don't even have a g-spec anymore
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
call the fucking canadian p
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
posT
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
thell them they losT the stuff
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
and they have to pay for that
Dirty Sanchez says:
your not listening, Canadian post only covers for LOST ITEMS. i recieved the package but not all the SHIT WAS THERE. understand?
Dirty Sanchez says:
Like i was saying, CUSTOMS HAS MY SHIT.
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
yes, so they have losT some parts of the package...
Dirty Sanchez says:
and i don't wanna go through all that hassle with talking w/ customs cause I DON'T LIKE CUSTOMS
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
and the customs dont have the part
Dirty Sanchez says:
and you know all this from a simple overseas's phone call eh?
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
do you have a letter that proves that customs has sized the stuff
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
no i have my connections...
Dirty Sanchez says:
last chance, you take my kind offer to give you $60 for something i didn't even get, or you can eat a dick and die. which is it?
Dirty Sanchez says:
NO LETTER
Dirty Sanchez says:
like i said, all it said on the package was FIRE ARMS PARTS.
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
so they didn't size it
Dirty Sanchez says:
and remember i SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU NOT TO WRITE THAT ON THE PACKAGE?!
Dirty Sanchez says:
omg.
Dirty Sanchez says:
i'm talking to a brick walla.
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i wrot fucking toys on it
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i wrote toys on it
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i told you that already
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i told you that when i sent it of
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
remember
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i didnt write firearmparts...
Dirty Sanchez says:
well thats what it said on the box
Dirty Sanchez says:
anyways, last chance, take my offer or not. if you want the money , send me your pay pal account
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
yesl but that not what i have written
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i will ask around... if you are right or not...
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i tell you then if i accept your offer
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
ok
Dirty Sanchez says:
Sorry, but you don't tell me what to do kid. You can't think for yourself or something?

Dirty Sanchez says:
you know i can just not talk to you at all , and you'll never hear from me ever again, and your still thinking ?!
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
i dunno the canadian law exactly... so i have to ask around...
Dirty Sanchez says:
I'm nice enough to throw free money at you and this is the fucking thank you i get?
Dirty Sanchez says:
exactly. YOU DON'T KNOW THE CANADAIAN LAW.
.S.P.I.T.F.I.R.E. - لورانس احبك! says:
so i have my connetions, they know it
Dirty Sanchez says:
if you are smart, e-mail me your pay pal account. that is all.
Dirty Sanchez says:
work tomorrow. good night.

WOW this guy is piece of work.


Don't talk to him before the game happens. Wait till he shows and gang bang him in person.

kinda true, unfortunately :sad:
im a little bit agry about him... :smack:
but yes, look what you can do if he shows up...

Holy fuck. This little prick needs to get a large jar of vasaline for himself. If you want to fuck around with others, make sure you can handle it when others will do that to you.

I hope the guys out in BC can help you to solve this problem.

so do I :wink:

Why don't you post his contact info up and maybe someone from around these neck of the woods can try and follow up? I highly doubt anybody will go around asking "Are you Dirty Sanchez?" at the games.

his contact infos are posted :wink:

Wow. Reading that just pissed me off. That piece of shit...

Wow thats brutal... I think you should contact the 4 main local clubs and see about having him banned from playing until this can be resolved. Its posted in his words he recieved the package, customs didnt seize anything, seems to me hes an asshat looking to make a deal on some one who cant "do" anything about it.

As a note to D.sanchez, we are an airsoft community... that includes our international friends, suck it up pay the man. Stop being a douche.

wow. WOW. That guy is just... awesome.

but he still owes you the FULL amount. regardless of whether or not he "doesn't like customs". Wtf. That's not your problem.

And plus... it was most likely customs that wrote "firearm parts" on the package as that was the exact term that customs gave to me. As an importer, he HAS to know that customs reserves the right to re-classify goods if they deem it necessary for duties and such.

And plus, yes, he CAN tell canada post that he was carrying firearms parts. The only thing that's prohibited for them to transport are goods that customs claims are prohibited... which general parts ARE NOT prohibited.

Not only that but Customs Cleared the items, which means that there is absolutely no issues with Canada Post.

Heck Katey and I have a claim in with CP at the moment and they know it was a gun...... so he's lying.

Dirty Sanchez if you are online and reading this thread, pay the man stop trying to con him because he's from another country. Some of the things you told him in the MSN window are straight out Bullshit.

Spitfire if you get him on MSN again and I'm on add me to the conversation so you have a second witness.

Man shit like this pisses me off.... I wish kneecapping was legal sometimes.... but its not so we have bans and blacklists.

Holy fuck, I don't check these boards for a couple months and I have a 6 page thread dedicated to me? First of all, I have NOT been ignoring spitfire on msn messenger or whatever he claims. The only time I get to talk to him is between 2:30am-3:30am since he lives in Switzerland? The reason why he isn't getting his full amount of $190cdn is because all items were NOT recieved. I say customs has it, and he says wrong. Now he thinks canada post has lost it. Whether or not any of you believe me is up to you. Its not like i'm shafting the guy, if i was I wouldn't even still be chatting with him. Spitfire, I am gonna pay you, just not the full amount since I didn't recieve all the items!
I've got nothing to hide here, if you wanna contact me, msn me or e-mail me. Private messeging me on ASC won't get my attention. UNLESS there's a 6 page thread dedicated to me calling me a dirty liar.

You're NOT getting the point.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF CUSTOMS OR CANADA POST HAS THE ITEMS.

He fulfilled his end of the bargain by sending you all the requested items.

When I spoke to Canada Customs, they said that there was a trigger set and trigger guard in the package, and hence, why the package was sent to the prohibited importations unit. The CPIU eventually CLEARED those items and sent them back to the Canadian Border Services Agency who forwarded them BACK to Canada Post for transport to you.

In other words, NOTHING WAS SEIZED. Had Canada Customs actually seized any goods, you would have received a letter about 3 weeks ago. DID YOU RECEIVE A NOTICE OF SEIZURE? If you did, please scan it and post it online for us to see. If you did not receive a letter, then nothing was seized. Just because the item is not in the package (that's covered with customs tape) does not mean that anything was seized.

If you still have questions, call the CBSA directly for clarification. The number is posted on page 4 of this thread, as well as the inventory tracking number that I acquired for you. SPEAK TO THEM and they will describe all the parts in the package to you as they did to me.

CBSA claims they released all items back to Canada Post. If that is the case, then Canada Post is responsible for refunding the cost of all missing goods to you.

NOBODY here is saying you're an outright liar. You're just misinformed on the situation and shafting Spitfire by not fulfilling your end of the bargain.

AS AN IMPORTER OF ANY GOODS ON CANADIAN SOIL, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL CUSTOMS ISSUES. It has NOTHING to do with the exporter. READ the Canadian importation information available on their site. They don't give you that much information if it's all up to the exporter. It NEVER is.

Don't take my information as coming from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. I DO. I have been importing goods at least once a month and have dealt directly with Canada customs on many occassions for years. Specifically, I have been importing airsoft goods since 2002 on an almost monthly basis. I am familiar with how the system works, especially in regards to airsoft. If your goods are truly seized, the decision can always be appealed.

With all that said, the point and fact STILL remains: Spitfire fulfilled his end of the bargain. It is YOUR DUTY to fulfill YOUR end of the bargain by paying him for what he sent to you. It's NOT his job to contact Canada Customs or Canada Post to issue you the refund/claim. That's YOUR job to recoup your costs AFTER you have paid Spitfire back.

Spitfire put GOOD FAITH in you that you would be able to clear your items and pay him the money. You haven't fulfilled your end of the bargain and Spitfire has to take your slack? That's not very fair on your part and it DEFINITELY doesn't look good for international relations.

COMPLETE YOUR END OF THE DEAL.

Until that happens, consider your age verification status revoked as well as your field bans in place.

Illusion,

Its nice to see someone being mature about this, thanks!
instead of bashing on a guy who didn't even know this thread existed until his buddy sent him the link.

Just because I do not Eat, Sleep, Shit and Masturabate Airsoft does not mean I'm a dead beat who does not commit to on-line transactions.

What illusion has said makes a lot of sense, and has kinda made me realize it is MY fault for not really spending the time to see wtf happened to my parts. But you also have to see it from my point of view, I mean You wouldn't wanna pay full price for something to didn't recieve would you? I did recieve some of the parts, but not all the things that were agreed upon for $190. I will see if spitfire is on-line tonight and we will work something out.

On a side note, for those who have flamed me in this thread, PLEASE get that sand out of your vagina's before you make e-threats without finding out the otherside of the story.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go sell spitfire's parts on ebay and turn a profit. I'm kidding.

Spitfire, please e-mail me and we'll work something out, I'm not as stubborn now i promise! , but please don't cut and paste our converstations... if you do, at least don't delete the 9 paragraphs of sexual content you sent to me late last night.

Dirty Sanchez Out.

I seriously hope this issue is resolved in a mature matter, rather than resorting to shallow and juvinile insults. Come on guys, be adult about this, it is a serious issue that needs to be sorted out asap.

It would be much more better idea to give an idea what you DID receive, and what you did not.

From the call Illusion got from CDN Customs, Trigger Guard and Trigger Set was in the package, and the spring strengthener should be in it since you said you got a bunch of "rings" in the msn conversation. But the trigger guard and set itself makes up the bulk of the $190. You offer to pay $60?!

It's obvious nothing was seized in this case, so if any items is missing to you (Dirty Sanchez), it's the fault of Canada Post. You should be following up with CP if items are missing, and not going "oh well, I'll negotiate a better price because some items went missing during shipping instead of claiming insurance on the shipment.

I'm not judging you yet on this, but your unwillingness to discuss seems a little iffy. Why can't YOU take the initiative to email him instead of asking Spitfire to email you. If it's a CP issue, work closely with Spitfire to track the items back or your money back since Spitfire fully insured the items.

Pip, Thankyou You,

To stop all this pointless name calling, I will call canada post today and see what happened. If the package was insured by spitfire, I SHOULD be able to get the money back, until then, I WILL send spitfire the full amount, and if I get insured by canada post that'll be even better. i know the airsoft community is very small and i know shit like this can easily get out of hand when assumptions are made.

Spitfire, like i said before, e-mail me your pay pal account and we'll settle this.

now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to extorting red headed step childs,

Peace.
dirty sanchez.

Spitfire, please update us when you are satisfied with the transaction.

Dirty Sanchez, once the transaction is completed to satisfaction on both sides, we will look in to reinstating your access'.
If you need any help with contacting customs or Canada Post, give me a holler and I'll see what I can do to help.

Illusion,

thanks for all the help, but I think i can call them myself.

Brian.

Great, I hope this works out for the best.

heehee,man,you got busted this time...if you get spitfires' parts, just pay for it.

i don't know of any sexual paragraphs... all i did was ctrl+a, then ctrl+v...
i didn't send you anything like that myself. if you got something like that, tell me what it was cause i didn't write more then copied into the forum...

thanks agin to illusion for show us, what is to do if something gets lost. :cool:

anyway... i hope now everything turns ok and the deal will be compleated soon.
therefor i send you an email with my paypalaccount.

kind regards

patrick

Dirty Sanchez, if you think you have a valid complaint or that Spitfire has been doing anything outside of what would be acceptable to try to get paid for the item he sent, you forward all evidence of it to me ASAP.

Otherwise, I suggest you keep your wise cracks and petty insults (even if just in a joking or sarcastic manner) to yourself. As you said, we know the community is small and how things can get out of hand when assumptions are made. Please try to maintain a mature and professional demeanor so that you don't damage your credibility.

Spitfire,

I was just being witty, lol.
I'm at work right now and I will pay pal you tonight. e-mail me at peeps_leung@hotmail.com for your info.

Bravo 6:

Well I can't prove that he didn't send all the items as was discussed, I'm just bitter about the whole thing. Its basically his word against mine vise versa. Its just too bad he couldn't send the package C.O.D. as i requested that way none of this bullshit would have escalated to this point. I have contacted the post office and my request is under review, so hopefully i will get some money back for my lost goods. I would have liked to be mature about this whole thing, but its kinda hard when you have internet gangsters calling me a douche and semen recepticle... ok, maybe not that last one. I apologize for my acts of witty-ness but thats just the way I am.

Thankyou to those who didn't bash me until they heard both sides of the story.

Spitfire, You better not be spending the $190 on flesh-lights and double sided dildo's. Ok I'll stop.

Thanks everyone.

Deeeerty Sanchez.

It's not Spitfire's fault they don't offer such service in Swiss. It would of been way better on Spitfire's end if it was COD and much more "bullshit" on your end, first of all, you would of paid $190 at your door, he would of gotten the money and then you realize there are things "missing".

But then when that happens, u come back to the whole fiasco about him not senidng the right parts, and the go check through the same process Spitfire (where Illusion helped greatly) did, blah blah blah blah.

Anyway, my point is, COD wouldn't of helped in this situation, you would of still have to go call up customs to see if they seized parts, then claim insurance at Canada Post.

I'm surprised CP accepted your case to review since you received the package a whole month ago.

hy,
just got my doubleside dildo *lol*
the thing is swiss post doesn't offer cod for canada, in switzerland itself there basicly is cod, but its just called diffrent...

hope everything gets fine :wink:

have to go to work now :cool:

best regards

hy, just got the message from Dirty Sanchez that he paid :cool:
i give you the news if i have it on my paypal account :wink:
thanks

best regards

The gall some people display here is truely amazing sometimes. RE: Customs may have potentially removed an item or two from the shipment so fucking over the seller is completely fine ... ? What kind of logic is this? If Dirty had not been tracked down Spitfire would never have seen a dime. I'm still very skeptical that any items were actually missing - if there where items missing I'd get in touch with the seller, not fucking ignore him for a month. It sounds like one of those "my little brother posted that" type of scenarios and I don't believe a word of it.

Just my opinion, and I could be wrong but it's how I feel. I really don't have patience for this type of behaviour at all. There is still no excuse.

At any rate Spitfire, next time ... CASH UP FRONT. This time you got lucky. Don't mess around with that C.O.D. crap either. When a buyer flakes or can't pay for the items on delivery (yes it happens) then the items get returned to you and you get burned for the shipping price (twice - there and back to you) so avoid that aswell.